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Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« on: 05 June 2013, 08:17:35 »
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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #1 on: 05 June 2013, 08:52:18 »
With or without copious amounts of Clan-tech?  ;)

Swapping out the H-PPCs for ER PPCs with Capacitors would be the 'easiest' thing. Increased range and hitting power. But PPC Caps don't seem to be popular in the DC TRO.

I'd downgrade the MRM40 to an MRM30, install a nose-mounted AMS with a ton of ammo and CASE. You lose some of the punch, but you keep on to that Reflective Armour for a while longer.

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #2 on: 05 June 2013, 08:53:17 »
Challenge accepted.

I present you the Lyran version of that thing. :P

Better range, better thresholding, no redundancy with the ECM.
Oh and given the new Davion designs it would be a much bigger pain in the buttocks.

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Class/Model/Name:  KOS-1S Koroshiya
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3145
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              95 tons
Length:            22 meters
Power Plant:       380 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust:       6
Maximum Thrust:    9
Armor Type:        *Laser Reflective*
Armament:         
    1 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*
    1 Gauss Rifle
    1 MML 5*
    1 Guardian ECM
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  New Aerospace Fighter
Mass:              95 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  380 XL Fusion                                             20,50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 9                                                   ,00
Total Heat Sinks:    10 Double                                            ,00
Fuel:                                                                    5,00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3,00
Armor Type:  *Laser Reflective*  (296 total armor pts)                  18,50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                103
   Left/Right Wings:                  71/71
   Aft:                                  51

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*     Nose        22     22     22     --    2     20,00
  Ammo (I-Heavy G-R) 16    ---                                           4,00
1 Gauss Rifle              Nose        15     15     15     --    1     15,00
  Ammo (Gauss) 16          ---                                           2,00
1 MML 5*                   Nose         3      3      3     --    3      3,00
  Ammo (MML 5) 48          ---                                           2,00
1 Guardian ECM             Aft         --     --     --     --    0      1,50
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment       Body                                           ,50
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TOTALS:                                                     Heat: 6     95,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        18.678.835 C-Bills
Battle Value:      2.396
Cost per BV:       7.795,84
Weapon Value:      2.335 (Ratio = ,97)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 37;  MRV = 29;  LRV = 11;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 6,  Armor/Structure: 7 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 4/4/4,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FH;  Point Value: 24
                   Specials: ecm
« Last Edit: 05 June 2013, 08:58:35 by RyuWanderfalke »

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #3 on: 05 June 2013, 10:25:44 »
Here's my variants. The H focuses on hole punching. The C on critting, and the A on accuracy. But they all have a little of each, thanks to the Gauss(HPPC w/Cap)/Pulse(Flak)/LBX(Beam Spam) combo on them.

They all have just a little extra armor and fuel on the original too.

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Class/Model/Name:  Koroshiya KOS-2H
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              95 tons
Length:            22 meters
Power Plant:       380 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust:       6
Maximum Thrust:    9
Armor Type:        *Reflective*
Armament:         
    1 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*
    1 Light AC/5
    5 ER Medium Laser
    1 Angel ECM Suite
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Koroshiya KOS-2H
Mass:              95 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  380 XL Fusion                                             20.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 9                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    13 Double                                           3.00
Fuel:                                                                    6.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  *Reflective*  (312 total armor pts)                        19.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                106
   Left/Right Wings:                  75/75
   Aft:                                  56

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*     Nose        22     22     22     --    2     20.00
  Ammo (I-Heavy G-R) 32    ---                                           8.00
1 Light AC/5               Nose         5      5     --     --    1      5.00
  Ammo (LAC/5) 60          ---                                           3.00
1 ER Medium Laser          Nose         5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          Nose         5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 Angel ECM Suite          Nose        --     --     --     --    0      2.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          Aft          5      5     --     --    5      1.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 28     95.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        19,162,930 C-Bills
Battle Value:      2,431

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Class/Model/Name:  Koroshiya KOS-2C
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              95 tons
Length:            22 meters
Power Plant:       380 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust:       6
Maximum Thrust:    9
Armor Type:        *Reflective*
Armament:         
    1 Angel ECM Suite
    1 Gauss Rifle
    1 SB Gauss Rifle (UB)
    4 Small Pulse Laser
    1 ER Medium Laser
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Class/Model/Name:  Koroshiya KOS-2C
Mass:              95 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  380 XL Fusion                                             20.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 9                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    10 Double                                            .00
Fuel:                                                                    7.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  *Reflective*  (312 total armor pts)                        19.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                106
   Left/Right Wings:                  75/75
   Aft:                                  56

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Angel ECM Suite          Nose        --     --     --     --    0      2.00
1 Gauss Rifle              Nose        15     15     15     --    1     15.00
  Ammo (Gauss) 32          ---                                           4.00
1 SB Gauss Rifle (UB)      Nose         9      9      9     --    1     15.00
  Ammo (SB Gauss) 32       ---                                           4.00
1 Small Pulse Laser        Nose         3     --     --     --    2      1.00
1 Small Pulse Laser        RW           3     --     --     --    2      1.00
1 Small Pulse Laser        LW           3     --     --     --    2      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          Aft          5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 Small Pulse Laser        Aft          3     --     --     --    2      1.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 15     95.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        18,471,450 C-Bills
Battle Value:      2,092

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Class/Model/Name:  Koroshiya KOS-2A
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              95 tons
Length:            22 meters
Power Plant:       380 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust:       6
Maximum Thrust:    9
Armor Type:        *Reflective*
Armament:         
    1 Angel ECM Suite
    1 Plasma Rifle*
    1 Large Pulse Laser
    1 H PPC + Capacitor*
    1 ER Medium Laser
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Koroshiya KOS-2A
Mass:              95 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  380 XL Fusion                                             20.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 9                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    19 Double                                           9.00
Fuel:                                                                    6.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  *Reflective*  (312 total armor pts)                        19.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                106
   Left/Right Wings:                  75/75
   Aft:                                  56

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Angel ECM Suite          Nose        --     --     --     --    0      2.00
1 Plasma Rifle*            Nose        10     10     --     --   10      6.00
  Ammo (Plasma) 30         ---                                           3.00
1 Large Pulse Laser        Nose         9      9     --     --   10      7.00
1 H PPC + Capacitor*       Nose        20     20     --     --   20     11.00
1 ER Medium Laser          Aft          5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 Targeting Computer                                                     7.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 45     95.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        18,611,280 C-Bills
Battle Value:      2,246

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #4 on: 06 June 2013, 10:41:35 »
Hmm, yeah, I think the KOS-1A is pretty much all that you can ask for. If the fighter's using Reflective, the MRM40 smack will hurt even more. If not, the weapons will tear things apart.

Even my minimal mod is not even necessary. Damn near perfect.

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #5 on: 06 June 2013, 10:49:00 »
Hmm, yeah, I think the KOS-1A is pretty much all that you can ask for. If the fighter's using Reflective, the MRM40 smack will hurt even more. If not, the weapons will tear things apart.

Even my minimal mod is not even necessary. Damn near perfect.

Swapping an HPPC for a gauss increases the range, and makes it more effective against OTHER aeros with reflective.

Plus removing the extra DHS gives you more than enough weight.

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #6 on: 06 June 2013, 15:54:00 »
Though it may suffer if any new fighters in coming books use the new reinforced armour.
Who knows how spread that will be in a bit.
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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #7 on: 06 June 2013, 16:07:54 »
Swapping an HPPC for a gauss increases the range, and makes it more effective against OTHER aeros with reflective.

Plus removing the extra DHS gives you more than enough weight.

So, remove 7 DHS and the 10-ton HPPC to get a Gauss Rifle with 2 tons of ammo? I can see that working well.


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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #8 on: 06 June 2013, 16:12:14 »
So, remove 7 DHS and the 10-ton HPPC to get a Gauss Rifle with 2 tons of ammo? I can see that working well.

Indeed.

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #9 on: 12 November 2013, 13:19:14 »
With Clan tech, make it a flying Hellstar, the DC has access to Clan ERPPC, 4 of them would make life "fun"

Will need to some number crunching to see how it works.

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #10 on: 23 November 2013, 08:40:25 »
Blue Shield works indefinitely in space. Whilst it's possible to strap 4 Clan ER PPCs to a single airframe, I suspect the response would be Blue Shielded, Reflective Armour-equipped ASFs mounting Plasma weaponry everywhere.

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Swapping out the H-PPCs for ER PPCs with Capacitors would be the 'easiest' thing.

There was a ruling that Aero units had to always fire charged shots from their PPCs if they had capacitors a while back. The damage increase is probably not worth it on the H-PPC; Light PPCs definitely if you can stagger fire so one's charging while you use the other, but it's a bit less impressive on standard and Heavy PPCs.

@OP: The biggest problem with trying to improve the Koroshiya is that it's obviously a nose-arc hunter. I'm not a fan of the MRM, even on ASFs, but getting more total damage out of the machine would require spreading weapons to the wings with a reduction in what the nose arc can deliver.

This being said, I think replacing one H-PPC with a Gauss Rifle and 3 tons of ammo, replacing the MRM-40 with paired MML-9s with 3 tons of ammo, and reducing the heat sinks to 13 (26) might be worth it. At the very least I'd look at replacing one of the H-PPCs with a Gauss, just in order to circumvent opponents who have also deployed Reflective armour.
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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #11 on: 23 November 2013, 12:56:26 »
So, remove 7 DHS and the 10-ton HPPC to get a Gauss Rifle with 2 tons of ammo? I can see that working well.

One step further, get the damage type thresholding trifecta by dropping the MRM for a Tbolt-15 and 3 tons of ammo?
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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #102 - KOS-1A Koroshiya
« Reply #12 on: 23 November 2013, 13:07:42 »
Thunderbolts are really vulnerable to AMS, and newer fighters have started to mount it more often.
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