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Edge question (Answered)
« on: 15 March 2011, 01:55:50 »
All the rule states is that you can burn edge to force a reroll... now, is that only on YOUR rolls or ANYONE'S rolls (specifically NPC's)?  As an example, we were playing the system out on sunday and I had an NPC pull out a +30 spectacular pistol shot on one of the PCs... 5 sixes in a row.  Of course the player burned edge on that one to force a reroll of the attack, and I fully support him in this decision, but for the purposes of clarity, is this within the rules as intended?
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Re: Edge question
« Reply #1 on: 15 March 2011, 04:50:39 »
All the rule states is that you can burn edge to force a reroll... now, is that only on YOUR rolls or ANYONE'S rolls (specifically NPC's)?  As an example, we were playing the system out on sunday and I had an NPC pull out a +30 spectacular pistol shot on one of the PCs... 5 sixes in a row.  Of course the player burned edge on that one to force a reroll of the attack, and I fully support him in this decision, but for the purposes of clarity, is this within the rules as intended?

Sounds like you're playing MW3, given that you're rolling d6s for damage. That said, to answer your question about Edge:

ATOW p. 43
"EDG may only be burned to affect an Attribute or Skill Check, and may be burned only once per roll. The roll being modified (or redone) by the burning of EDG points must affect the character burning EDG directly (such as when attempting to change the outcome of one of the character’s own Action Checks, or in the case of an attack made against the character). EDG cannot be burned on behalf of another character, or burned repeatedly to force multiple rerolls on the same Action Check."

So, the NPC's Action Check could be forced to be rerolled using Edge by the intended victim of the NPC *only*. AND that reroll must be done immediately after the Action Check. So before you resolve the consequences of damage. If damage has been resolved, it's now too late to use Edge to force a reroll.

CBTRPG/MW3 p.18

"The die result of any Action Check that directly affects the character, be it something he is doing or something being done to him, can be altered by spending Edge to represent a lucky break."
And on p. 19
"The use of Edge to affect a die roll already made must be announced and resolved immediately after the die roll is made. Once any other die rolls have been made, Edge can no longer be used."

So, in MW3, it works exactly the same way, though it can only affect Action Checks, not Attribute Checks. So, once the damage for the pistol was being rolled up, it was too late to use Edge.

Note that it's a common misconception that Edge allows one to force a reroll of any diceroll that affects the person with Edge, including Hit Location results. This is not the case unless you're using the old Maxtech Edge rules, which do allow that. (If only by rerolling a single 1d6, not the whole 2d6 roll, so there's still a 1d6 chance that the headhit is confirmed, as an example)
I know it's a common houserule to 'improve' the RPG Edge rules by allowing it to affect more, IE, hit location tables.

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Re: Edge question
« Reply #2 on: 15 March 2011, 11:12:23 »
Ah... ok.  Excellent.

Anyway, it was the attack roll that was rerolled.  I don't think he wanted to deal with +23 MoS.

Thanks much.

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Re: Edge question
« Reply #3 on: 15 March 2011, 14:22:43 »
Anyway, it was the attack roll that was rerolled.  I don't think he wanted to deal with +23 MoS.

Ooooo! THOSE kinda 6s!
Yeah, MOS of 23 is a bit... daunting.
But do note you only roll 1d6 and add that result to a 2d6 roll of 12, you don't keep rerolling that 1d6 if it comes up 6. So, the maximum result from dice rolling will be 18.
I suppose you could houserule that you reroll 6s, but IMHO, the odds of a 6 coming up are a bit too high. Then again, it does create the potential of MOS 23 on an NPC, which I'd be happy to witness myself... ;)


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Thanks much.

No problem, glad it helped.

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Re: Edge question
« Reply #4 on: 16 March 2011, 13:53:50 »
Ooooo! THOSE kinda 6s!
Yeah, MOS of 23 is a bit... daunting.
But do note you only roll 1d6 and add that result to a 2d6 roll of 12, you don't keep rerolling that 1d6 if it comes up 6. So, the maximum result from dice rolling will be 18.
I suppose you could houserule that you reroll 6s, but IMHO, the odds of a 6 coming up are a bit too high. Then again, it does create the potential of MOS 23 on an NPC, which I'd be happy to witness myself... ;)


No problem, glad it helped.

Paul

Quote from: ToW p. 41-42
The flipside of a fumble (but by no means a guarantee of success if the action is particularly difficult), the “stunning success” may occur if the player’s 2D6 Action Check roll yields an unmodified 12. In this case, the player may roll1D6 again and add that die roll result to the previous one. If this extra die roll yields a 6, the player may roll the die again, and add that result to the total, continuing in this fashion until the die finally rolls less than a 6, or until a maximum total unmodified roll result of 30 occurs (5 dice coming up 6s in succession). This roll, plus any modifiers, is the Action Check’s final result, and is resolved against the action’s TN as normal.

¿Qué?

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Re: Edge question
« Reply #5 on: 16 March 2011, 14:29:01 »
¿Qué?

Well, disregard, I guess that changed and I forgot/didn't notice.

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Re: Edge question
« Reply #6 on: 16 March 2011, 15:22:43 »
Well, disregard, I guess that changed and I forgot/didn't notice.

Paul

lol... ok, no problem.... and thanks for the help.

By the way, yes, the players were a little awestruck at seeing me roll a nat 30 on d6's, though the one player targeted was less than amused by it.  lol.  Yatzee!  Now if the dice could only love me that much as a player...