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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #90 on: 02 December 2013, 22:21:34 »
Other Ships to be seen:

LyrCom - Commonwealth-class
FWL - League-class
DracCon - Narukami-class
FedSuns - Defender-class
MagCon - Athena-class
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #91 on: 02 December 2013, 22:42:03 »
Other Ships to be seen:

LyrCom - Commonwealth-class
FWL - League-class
DracCon - Narukami-class
FedSuns - Defender-class
MagCon - Athena-class
On top of that, we have the Essex (block I) and maybe the Riga Destroyer/Carrier.  I can't remember what ship i'm forgetting.
The review in this article for the Narukami, makes it sounds like the ship is compariable to the Avatar...possibly a crusier class.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #92 on: 02 December 2013, 23:47:29 »

The review in this article for the Narukami, makes it sounds like the ship is compariable to the Avatar...possibly a crusier class.

What article?

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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #93 on: 03 December 2013, 13:35:08 »
Other Ships to be seen:

LyrCom - Commonwealth-class
FWL - League-class
DracCon - Narukami-class
FedSuns - Defender-class
MagCon - Athena-class

Looks like some good stuff coming out. Can't wait till these getting added into the fleet.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #94 on: 03 December 2013, 18:39:36 »
What article?
Here: Soyal Class ship review.

They mentioned the Narukami in the review when it author was doing it in the comparison.  I misremembered the article, he mentioned that Soyal would need to avoid ships such as Narukami and Davion II.  I was wrong it suggesting the  Narukami being compared to a cruiser, but to a destroyer possibly.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #95 on: 03 December 2013, 18:51:22 »
On top of that, we have the Essex (block I) and maybe the Riga Destroyer/Carrier.  I can't remember what ship i'm forgetting.
The review in this article for the Narukami, makes it sounds like the ship is compariable to the Avatar...possibly a crusier class.

As a rule a 24thC ship (Narukami) won't beat an equivalent 26thC ship (Avatar). However a 24thC battleship could be equivalent to a 26thC destroyer. See Black Lion I. All speculation is still open and valid.

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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #96 on: 03 December 2013, 19:22:29 »
As a rule a 24thC ship (Narukami) won't beat an equivalent 26thC ship (Avatar). However a 24thC battleship could be equivalent to a 26thC destroyer. See Black Lion I. All speculation is still open and valid.
Sorry, Jellico. I didn't realize Field Report 2765: Draconis Combine came out this very nite.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #97 on: 03 December 2013, 19:46:34 »
Well so it has.

You have permission to board the hype train  :D
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #98 on: 03 December 2013, 21:03:52 »
So the Combine had more ships than the Togura hidden in Mothball but they were as useless as the mothballed Carrier.

Field Report Draconis Combine is out!!

Being a WarShip thread here we go with the two ships in it:
The Narukami-class Destroyer looks pretty cool block I and block II shame about the technical problems

The Cruiser-class Cruiser... got to love committees.  I love the look of the ship.  For once instead of something that looks really sexy it's just plain and simple to the point "Beercan Battleship" or "Killer Space Keg" is what the class should have been called.  I'm not an expert on WarShips but if I was facing this particular one I'd want Anti-Missile Systems.

One thing I hadn't noticed was numbers of ships - 8 active fleets based around the Samarkand-class Carrier but no real numbers from my first run through
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #99 on: 03 December 2013, 21:08:48 »
42 ships divided into 8 fleets plus a pair of Vincents to escort one of the Hussars regiments,

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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #100 on: 03 December 2013, 21:19:22 »
Looks like the committee missed the Dart, she older but she alot better than the Cruiser.  Wow.  Dart should been the Heavy cruiser, to the Cruiser being...a cruiser..   Well, early missile cruiser isn't so bad until you realize your missing way among of modern equipment.   Cruiser's build with tonnage of a Destroyer, through she was built two decades after the Dart start crowding the spaceways since 2305.  With lack of Docking collars, that Cruiser is lacking in comparison, making me suspect that there properly a early version of the Dart lurking about in forgottenville. TRO3057R shows the Dart packing 6 Docking collars.

Fluff for the Cruiser reveals the Athena is infact a cruiser at least. Big leg up for the Periphery.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #101 on: 03 December 2013, 21:36:01 »
Forgot one thing the hint that the Draconis Combine had something a lot more deadly in bombardment than the Soyal wasn't kidding... nukes on a Cruiser >:D
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #102 on: 03 December 2013, 22:17:15 »
Forgot one thing the hint that the Draconis Combine had something a lot more deadly in bombardment than the Soyal wasn't kidding... nukes on a Cruiser >:D

I wonder if a squadron of 6 of the Cruisers are nicknamed a six pack!  ;D

I wonder why McKenna decided not pack those sardine cans with nuclear warheads. It certainly would solved alot of clustering of fighters attacking their Warship fleet.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #103 on: 03 December 2013, 23:28:25 »
I wonder if a squadron of 6 of the Cruisers are nicknamed a six pack!  ;D


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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #104 on: 04 December 2013, 01:36:18 »
I'm surprised the Combine didn't just duplicate there Narukami-class  when they were developing there warship fleet in the 3050's and 3060's. They could have used the surviving examples as a blueprint for new warships to be built.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #105 on: 04 December 2013, 01:51:51 »
They could have used the surviving examples as a blueprint for new warships to be built.

I think they did. Note the similarities between the Narukami's and Tatsumaki's maintenance woes...
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #106 on: 04 December 2013, 02:02:07 »
I think they did. Note the similarities between the Narukami's and Tatsumaki's maintenance woes...
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #107 on: 04 December 2013, 02:56:46 »
So, presuming it works, what is the Narukami- class like?  Big guns, fighters, spoil!

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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #108 on: 04 December 2013, 04:52:03 »
So, presuming it works, what is the Narukami- class like?  Big guns, fighters, spoil!

  It’s a hair lighter than a Lola, but has 25-50% more armour across all facings (forward biased, of course) and develops 5/8 speed(!).  The nose and fore-quarters favour NPPCs, both flanks mount a mix of NAC turrets, and the PC is very dense in all arcs — a mix of LLs and MLs in the Block I, with LLs and PPCs in the Block II.  The parasite complement is less than a full wing, but three drop-collars can make up for that.  All in all, it’s a pretty solid sort of ship, and the artwork is very nice too.  The DCA could have done a lot worse.  O0

  The Cruiser-class cruiser is pretty nice, too.  ;)  The name is clearly the product of bureaucracy-in-inaction (probably retaining a placeholder as a proper name), but then, the Terran Alliance(!) wasn’t known for being overly imaginative; the aesthetics are awesome in a form-over-function kind of way (one of the class nicknames was “Beer-can Battleship”); and the armament... makes sense.  Unfortunately, McKenna was reluctant to let his commanders freely use tac-nukes, so it never became the monster it might otherwise have been.

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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #109 on: 04 December 2013, 05:05:11 »
Guns. Oh Boy, Guns. 228 Broadside on a Destroyer. Decent Armor.

And Trace. Remember, Drac Wings IIRC are 36 Birds, so its roughly a Squadron, not a Wing. Not sure when they switched to that, but the text implies it is as of now. Given they describe the Samarkand carrying two Wings. Which is incorrect terminology for SLDF or FedSuns.

The big question I have is, rules wise... how does the DropShuttle Bay on the Cruiser work.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #110 on: 04 December 2013, 06:00:16 »
Drop shuttle bay?

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« Reply #111 on: 04 December 2013, 06:24:11 »
Drop shuttle bay?

It predates DropCollars so has to launch em like small craft from cargo bay

My bet is its just like small craft launching
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #112 on: 04 December 2013, 07:00:10 »
Cruiser: DropShuttle Bay is exactly what Dragon Cat said, its what ships were using prior to Drop Ship collars.  I have problem with it, since there was no need for them to be on Cruiser.  DropShip Collars were well in use by 2305, when the larger Dart Light Cruiser appeared, with no less 6 of them. 

That's why I was so confused why the DropShuttle Bay was included in the design that was finally buit in decades after Dreadnought, Black Lion I and Dart came cruising out.  The ship is light for a Cruiser, it has virtually no point defense weaponry (no machine guns or standard autocannons.)  If this was design held up prior to revolution of the Dreadnought, this must been a rush to build for War of Persuasion.  DropShuttle Bay sounds like left over equipment or old manufactures trying to hang in a industry that clearly is out date.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #113 on: 04 December 2013, 08:29:09 »
Cruiser: DropShuttle Bay is exactly what Dragon Cat said, its what ships were using prior to Drop Ship collars.  I have problem with it, since there was no need for them to be on Cruiser.  DropShip Collars were well in use by 2305, when the larger Dart Light Cruiser appeared, with no less 6 of them. 

That's why I was so confused why the DropShuttle Bay was included in the design that was finally buit in decades after Dreadnought, Black Lion I and Dart came cruising out.  The ship is light for a Cruiser, it has virtually no point defense weaponry (no machine guns or standard autocannons.)  If this was design held up prior to revolution of the Dreadnought, this must been a rush to build for War of Persuasion.  DropShuttle Bay sounds like left over equipment or old manufactures trying to hang in a industry that clearly is out date.

Maybe it's symptomatic of the kind of thinking that drove WarShip designs for the SLDF - no need for the Cruiser to have that kind of kit if it's constantly operating as a part of squadrons all the time, and hence no need for it to be an all-rounder?

Alternatively, how big a threat were small ships and fighters to WarShips at this point?

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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #114 on: 04 December 2013, 08:35:31 »
Awesome the book is out, download later.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #115 on: 04 December 2013, 12:17:29 »
Cruiser: DropShuttle Bay is exactly what Dragon Cat said, its what ships were using prior to Drop Ship collars.  I have problem with it, since there was no need for them to be on Cruiser.  DropShip Collars were well in use by 2305, when the larger Dart Light Cruiser appeared, with no less 6 of them. 

That's why I was so confused why the DropShuttle Bay was included in the design that was finally buit in decades after Dreadnought, Black Lion I and Dart came cruising out.  The ship is light for a Cruiser, it has virtually no point defense weaponry (no machine guns or standard autocannons.)  If this was design held up prior to revolution of the Dreadnought, this must been a rush to build for War of Persuasion.  DropShuttle Bay sounds like left over equipment or old manufactures trying to hang in a industry that clearly is out date.


Assume the Dart may not represent its earliest form.  Interstellar Operations Alternate Eras preview indicates the docking collar with KF boom wasn't invented until 2304, but didn't supplant the earlier bays until 2400.  I could, however, see stragglers after that.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #116 on: 04 December 2013, 12:58:38 »
I have to say that I love the Pony Keg.  It reminds me of the Norway, Europe, Australia, Atlantic, North Pole, Libya, Africa, India, Tibet, and the Pacific.  The Mazianni are now in the Battletech universe. O0  O0

The only bad thing about the report is that it does not give an exact breakdown of how many ships the DCA has per class.  If you add in the 6 Aegis Class Cruisers given to the Draconis Combine at the beginning of the Star League, there are still a lot of blanks that have to be filled in.  :-[ :-[


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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #117 on: 04 December 2013, 13:39:05 »
The only bad thing about the report is that it does not give an exact breakdown of how many ships the DCA has per class.  If you add in the 6 Aegis Class Cruisers given to the Draconis Combine at the beginning of the Star League, there are still a lot of blanks that have to be filled in.  :-[ :-[

Yeah, I noticed that too. An otherwise awesome product, but I was REALLY hoping to see the pattern begun by FR: CCAF continue. Hopefuly the other PDFs will go back to CCAF's model.
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Re: Field Reports 2765
« Reply #118 on: 04 December 2013, 14:22:24 »
I wish it had a better fleet list like the CC book.
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« Reply #119 on: 04 December 2013, 14:25:24 »
Maybe they'll give us one if we ask? It worked for FR: FWL's WarShip list...
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