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VotW: Vector
« on: 10 August 2014, 17:55:45 »


One of the fun things about doing these articles is not only giving a rundown of tried and true favorites like the Manticore and Epona, but in exploring the stuff no one ever really has used. Sometimes it's because a unit fills a role that the game doesn't really allow for all that well, like the Pack Rat. Sometimes it's because it's very obscure and so rarely gets used even in-universe. And sometimes it's because it's from a recent product, and may not have had a chance to really get a fair shakedown from players. By request of Redshirt, we'll test one of that group today- the Vector, from Historicals: Liberation Of Terra Vol. II

Vectors come from a set of requirements laid down by SLDF General Rebecca Fetladral, a last name quite familiar to those who know the history of the Wolf Clan. With approval from Gen. Kerensky, she made a request for a next-gen VTOL for the SLDF, which- after much trial and error, with less of the trial part than the SLDF would have preferred- resulted in a pretty interesting aircraft. Produced in several versions, the aircraft was common, but didn't end up being the 'one airframe fits all needs' aircraft it was intended to be, probably in no small part due to the conflicts in the Periphery and the cataclysms that followed. Few of these birds survived into the Succession War era, and it's unlikely any are still flying today. (Translation: We need a reason why this wasn't around in the 3025 days, so let's say it went extinct. ;) )

Like the Warrior we covered a few weeks ago, the Vector again goes with a non-standard tonnage of 22 tons, because the SLDF rolls like that. A 125 fusion powerplant was a luxury the Star League was fine with throwing down money on, important when one looks at the payload (we'll do that shortly, don't push me!). This gives the 22-ton bird a 12/18 profile, which you'll note is pretty blisteringly fast. Since VTOLs tend to survive better by avoiding enemy fire rather than absorbing it, that's a good thing. (The aviation buff in me notes the NOTAR  tail and intricately-drawn landing gear with approval as well, and can't help but for some reason note a passing resemblance to the Clans' Asshur hovercraft for some reason- maybe it's the chines on the sides of the cockpit?)

VTOL armor is always a tricky thing to quantify- no matter how tough your helicopter (see: Yellow Jacket), a couple of light hits to the rotor and you're on the ground- the hard way. That said, this is a stunningly well-armored craft. Eighteen points of ferro-fibrous armor coat the front and sides, meaning even the mighty Gauss rifle couldn't break through. Our usual VotW AC-20 test breaks it, but barely. This thing is ROUGH. A mere six points cover the rear, so beware what direction you point the derriere when operating, but again your job should be to avoid fire when possible and minimize the amount of work the skin has to do anyway. The rotor, naturally, has the standard two points. Don't take rotor hits- a public service announcement.

It's always nice when a fusion-powered vehicle takes advantage of its heat sinks to mount energy weapons, isn't it? The Vector's main flavor is the transport variant, which utilizes those heat sinks to the maximum. A medium laser sits in each stub-wing, giving the ability to wound a light Battlemech or other smaller combat units. A small pulse laser in the nose (connected to a helmet-sight for the gunner, like on the modern AH-64 Apache) tells enemy infantry to leave the LZ immediately. And a three-ton infantry bay drops a platoon of whatever flavor of troops you prefer off at that LZ, while protected by a flying wad of armor and guns. Remember my usual rule? "Speed, armor, firpower, pick two"? Those cheaters at SLDF procurement managed to get ALL THREE. (Granted, they could also afford a unit with a fusion engine, ferro, etc...) Well done, guys.

The Vector was intended to come in several configurations, replacing more specialized airframes like the Cyrano and Nighthawk as the standard VTOL of the army and making maintenance and parts procurement much easier. With that in mind, a scout configuration was developed that removed the infantry bay for a Beagle active probe, a small laser mounted coaxially with the pulse laser, and a TAG in a rotor mast-mount. A fast, tough little scout like this is never a bad thing- if you find yourself somehow with a Vector Scout to use, be smiling about that. Almost as useful is the ECM version, identical to the scout with the exception of removing the Beagle for a Guardian ECM. While this would be a VERY handy bird in the Jihad era to deal with WoB C3i units, in the SLDF's heyday this one isn't quite as handy.

Finally, the gunship. Hard to believe that the heavily armed Vector needed a version identified as 'the gunship' of the lot, but here we are. I'm not as big of a fan of this version, but a medium laser sits in the nose now in place of the pulse laser. A pair of SRM-4s replace the stub-wing mounts, sharing one ton of ammunition (and also removing the infantry bay). One ton of ammo feeds the missile racks. This one just... eh, it doesn't do it for me, but a load of inferno SRMs could be entertaining as a tank-hunter I suppose.

With a helo like this, it's no wonder the SLDF was happy with their Vectors. What about you? Give this new addition to the game's past a try and see what you think, but for my money I'm very impressed. Next week we're going to go a little more modern and explore a 3145 brute of a tank, so see you then!
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Re: VotW: Vector
« Reply #1 on: 10 August 2014, 18:40:05 »
With that in mind, a scout configuration was developed that removed the infantry bay for a Beagle active probe, a small laser mounted coaxially with the pulse laser, and a TAG in a rotor mast-mount.

Can TAG be mounted in a mast mount? I thought it couldn't just like a direct fire weapon can't. I was under the impression that the mast mount was purely for tracing LOS for spotting purposes.

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« Reply #2 on: 10 August 2014, 18:45:59 »

Too bad that there isn't an omni version of this VTOL.
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Re: VotW: Vector
« Reply #3 on: 10 August 2014, 19:07:03 »
Oh my god - It's almost perfect!

At first glance, this is possibly the very best transport VTOL in the game.  If only it had a ton more capacity...

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« Reply #4 on: 10 August 2014, 19:23:42 »
I really need to give this thing a whirl. It's perfect for a late-SL aircav force. O0
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« Reply #5 on: 10 August 2014, 19:40:12 »
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Re: VotW: Vector
« Reply #6 on: 10 August 2014, 19:49:13 »
JHB, the Vector seems to be drawing some inspiration from tank oddballs like the French AMX series - in which the gun was fixed to the turret, and the turret oscillated up and down. Here, the Vector's suprisingly chunky blades seem to be attached to a rotatable engine mount or similar. Any comments from an aerodynamic point of view?

Just one minor gripe - unless it's meant to operate on snow extensively, the way the gear is shown doesn't seem to actually provide any utility over either plain skids, or plain retracting wheels. As is, the wheels will stick out when the gear is retracted, making it lose the potential efficiencies.
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« Reply #7 on: 10 August 2014, 19:58:39 »
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Re: VotW: Vector
« Reply #8 on: 10 August 2014, 20:26:08 »
Can TAG be mounted in a mast mount? I thought it couldn't just like a direct fire weapon can't. I was under the impression that the mast mount was purely for tracing LOS for spotting purposes.

I'm assuming this was meant more as fluff than anything else.
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« Reply #9 on: 10 August 2014, 22:25:24 »
This thing is like the Amazon or Elemental of VTOL's, basically perfect in its class. Someone needs to revive it.
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« Reply #10 on: 10 August 2014, 23:05:05 »
This is an extremely good VTOL. We run it rather frequently on my MekWars campaign online. So the play-testing has seen hundreds of games. :)
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« Reply #11 on: 11 August 2014, 02:14:26 »
It is a beautiful design ...  something I would happily field all day long.
Only thing I might consider is loading a couple rocket 10's on as bombs........

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« Reply #12 on: 11 August 2014, 02:16:18 »
The ECM version is fantastic in urban, the BAP is nice in woods when the TacOps Active Probe rule is in play. Standard is a nice troop carrier and the Attack version speaks for itself. Makes short work of vees for minimal BV expenditure.
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« Reply #13 on: 11 August 2014, 02:36:35 »
Nice design, but...

I don't get the tonnage to add up at all. 6.5 tons IS/Control/Lift, 6 tons engine, 3.5 tons armor leaves 6 tons for payload.

Standard has 8 tons (SPL+2xMPL+3 tons PBI)
Scout EW has 9 tons (SPL+2xMPL+SL+SHS+BAP+TAG)

Only the Gunship is actually legal (ML+2xSRM4+Ammo).

Interestingly, with an XLFE all become legal, with the standard carrying 4 tons and the Gunship carrying 2 MLs and 2 SRM6s.
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Re: VotW: Vector
« Reply #14 on: 11 August 2014, 03:22:47 »
Nice design, but...

I don't get the tonnage to add up at all. 6.5 tons IS/Control/Lift, 6 tons engine, 3.5 tons armor leaves 6 tons for payload.

Standard has 8 tons (SPL+2xMPL+3 tons PBI)
Scout EW has 9 tons (SPL+2xMPL+SL+SHS+BAP+TAG)

Only the Gunship is actually legal (ML+2xSRM4+Ammo).

Interestingly, with an XLFE all become legal, with the standard carrying 4 tons and the Gunship carrying 2 MLs and 2 SRM6s.

It doesn't have MPL. It has standard Mediums.

SPL + (2) ML + 3 ton infantry compartment = 6 tons
SPL + (2) ML + ECM + TAG + Mast Mount = 6 tons
SPL + (2) SRM-4 + 1 ton ammo = 6 tons
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« Reply #15 on: 11 August 2014, 05:15:56 »
Does anyone elses mind see Victor when they look at the Vector's name? Might explain why it went extinct.

And yeah, the Gunship version should have 3 X ML

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« Reply #16 on: 11 August 2014, 08:10:07 »
Does anyone elses mind see Victor when they look at the Vector's name? Might explain why it went extinct.

And yeah, the Gunship version should have 3 X ML

The SRM end up doing more damage, in the long run. And the specialty ammo comes in VERY handy. Especially if your enemy has a lot of artillery, field gunners, etc.
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« Reply #17 on: 11 August 2014, 08:10:51 »
Does anyone elses mind see Victor when they look at the Vector's name? Might explain why it went extinct.

And yeah, the Gunship version should have 3 X ML

Funny you should mention that. I don't know if the moratorium has been lifted on discussing it, but in XTRO Gunslingers, there is the Cyrano Fury variant, which has three medium lasers in a chin turret.  That being said, I'll be honest and say I don't like it as much as the Vector and I'm to be honest, not sure what the SLDF special forces command were thinking by using a Cyrano instead of taking a Vector and doing the same thing. While the Cyrano Fury is larger (30t), and has a bigger bay for infantry (4t) and has a bunch of additional toys (ECM, AMS, LMG), the Cyrano Fury is slower (10/15) and has significantly less armor. You could probably get the same mileage out of the Vector by swapping out the fusion for an XL fusion engine.

As far as using the other variants goes, Nahuris, I had the same idea with rocket pods, but I'll take it one step further and say how about Arrow IV's instead? Have 3 Attack Vectors with Arrow IV's working in tandem with a Scout Vector...
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Re: VotW: Vector
« Reply #18 on: 11 August 2014, 08:44:59 »
It doesn't have MPL. It has standard Mediums.

SPL + (2) ML + 3 ton infantry compartment = 6 tons
SPL + (2) ML + ECM + TAG + Mast Mount = 6 tons
SPL + (2) SRM-4 + 1 ton ammo = 6 tons
D'oh! I read "pulse" everywhere! :-[

But then I wonder why the Gunship didn't just add SRMs instead of the infantry bay. Keep all the lasers, add 2xSRM2 and ammo. :-\

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« Reply #19 on: 11 August 2014, 08:48:57 »
As far as using the other variants goes, Nahuris, I had the same idea with rocket pods, but I'll take it one step further and say how about Arrow IV's instead? Have 3 Attack Vectors with Arrow IV's working in tandem with a Scout Vector...

Good idea, but VTOLs are incapable of launching underwing Arrows. Check TacOps, pg 359. They can't fly high enough. For a VTOL to fire Arrows of any kind, it must have the launcher built in.

The SRM end up doing more damage, in the long run. And the specialty ammo comes in VERY handy. Especially if your enemy has a lot of artillery, field gunners, etc.

No kidding. Between tank-parking, the occasional crit-seeking opportunity, and the vast flexibility of nonstandard munitions, I'm definitely glad they went with SRMs over another two lasers.

Now I just wish they'd give us record sheets for these variants... :'(

But then I wonder why the Gunship didn't just add SRMs instead of the infantry bay. Keep all the lasers, add 2xSRM2 and ammo. :-\

More infantry bays means more infantry, and that's always a good thing. O0
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« Reply #20 on: 11 August 2014, 09:59:31 »
Good idea, but VTOLs are incapable of launching underwing Arrows. Check TacOps, pg 359. They can't fly high enough. For a VTOL to fire Arrows of any kind, it must have the launcher built in.


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« Reply #21 on: 11 August 2014, 11:35:58 »
I'm sad now...  :'(
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Yeah, discovered that one a bit back, and also think it's a bit silly..... but...
However, the the rocket launchers remind me of the often shown rocket pods we mount on various helicopters in the real world........ and there is a LOT of joy in a light VtoL suddenly putting a burst of speed on, getting up on either someone's back, or if hurt, in their face, and then just dumping a whole blast of damage, all at once.

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« Reply #22 on: 11 August 2014, 12:52:12 »
Funny you should mention that. I don't know if the moratorium has been lifted on discussing it, but in XTRO Gunslingers, there is the Cyrano Fury variant, which has three medium lasers in a chin turret.  That being said, I'll be honest and say I don't like it as much as the Vector and I'm to be honest, not sure what the SLDF special forces command were thinking by using a Cyrano instead of taking a Vector and doing the same thing. While the Cyrano Fury is larger (30t), and has a bigger bay for infantry (4t) and has a bunch of additional toys (ECM, AMS, LMG), the Cyrano Fury is slower (10/15) and has significantly less armor. You could probably get the same mileage out of the Vector by swapping out the fusion for an XL fusion engine.

As far as using the other variants goes, Nahuris, I had the same idea with rocket pods, but I'll take it one step further and say how about Arrow IV's instead? Have 3 Attack Vectors with Arrow IV's working in tandem with a Scout Vector...

I think you answered your own question. SLDF's procurement system is quite possibly the worst in history.

Larger and with more toys looks better on the comparison matrix. Faster/more survivable are less exciting, and you can fudge both by promising more in the "production version" once a few bugs are worked out. By the time they realize you can't meet the requirements, they've already signed the contract and are invested in the decision. So they change the requirements so they don't look bad instead.

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« Reply #23 on: 11 August 2014, 14:56:30 »
D'oh! I read "pulse" everywhere! :-[

But then I wonder why the Gunship didn't just add SRMs instead of the infantry bay. Keep all the lasers, add 2xSRM2 and ammo. :-\

Because its primary purpose is infantry transport. Kind of like a 3050-era Goblin with three tons of Infantry Bay capacity. It's heavily armed and can stand on its own, but it's still an IFV.
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« Reply #24 on: 11 August 2014, 15:18:58 »
Because its primary purpose is infantry transport. Kind of like a 3050-era Goblin with three tons of Infantry Bay capacity. It's heavily armed and can stand on its own, but it's still an IFV.
The Gunship isn't. As is it uses its entire payload for a ML and twin SRM4s plus ammo.

But that is both inefficient and weird. Keeping the original and just trading the infantry bay for missiles it can carry one SPL, twin MLs and twin SRM2s, for both better damage output and anti-infantry capability.

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« Reply #25 on: 11 August 2014, 15:28:18 »
And also anemic range on the primary anti-infantry weapon, and less clusters to immobilize tanks.

It would make it a better 'Mech hunter at the cost of everything else.
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« Reply #26 on: 11 August 2014, 17:43:49 »
I'm not sure how I feel about the gunship model. Never liked getting up close and personal with a VTOL, but on the other hand you can eke out a PSR if you hit with everything and get lucky on the missile table roll.

In other news, I'm kind of glad we have the pieces to make a "What's your Vector Victor" joke  :D
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« Reply #27 on: 11 August 2014, 20:14:18 »
This is a sweet machine, it think it nice "lost" treasure of the Star League that people can say "damn, wish we had those nasty birds in our force".

I think only thing i'm unhappy with it is that all the units featured in the LoTS books have no canon record sheets beyond their primary models that were included in the books. 
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Re: VotW: Vector
« Reply #28 on: 11 August 2014, 20:16:16 »
I'm not sure how I feel about the gunship model. Never liked getting up close and personal with a VTOL, but on the other hand you can eke out a PSR if you hit with everything and get lucky on the missile table roll.

In other news, I'm kind of glad we have the pieces to make a "What's your Vector Victor" joke  :D
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« Reply #29 on: 12 August 2014, 01:08:04 »
And also anemic range on the primary anti-infantry weapon, and less clusters to immobilize tanks.

It would make it a better 'Mech hunter at the cost of everything else.
But it has an AI weapon at least. And discounting the SPL it's 4.8 clusters / 15.6 damage instead of 6.2 clusters / 15.4 damage.