Author Topic: Thunderbolt and Primitive Shadow Hawk (Read 3304 times)

Sawbones12 · « **on:** 06 May 2011, 10:52:55 »

Discussions in high places ARE taking place -- it doesn't look good for the near future but I am awaiting final clarifications. There seems to have been, as usual, a series of miscues/misunderstandings/whatever pertaining to the Unseens that resulted in the usual nightmare of what is okay and what is not in artwork and miniatures. The Shadow Hawk 1R was sculpted ( and looks great! ) but may end up in limbo for the foreseeable future -- there are glimmers of hope but just glimmers. The Thunderbolt seems very unlikely to be approved at this time. The funding group may want to consider throwing the money at another mech of similar cost ( complicated heavies or assaults ) like the Bruin, Omen, Blood Reaper, etc. I will keep you advised as I hear more.

Rob

3rdCrucisLancers · « **Reply #1 on:** 06 May 2011, 12:08:51 »

Aw hell.

JPArbiter · « **Reply #2 on:** 06 May 2011, 12:23:30 »

and this was why I did not put money into either project, because I wanted to be 100% sure that the license agreement extended to the miniatures (Something I warned about in the the fundraising threads for both)

3rdCrucisLancers · « **Reply #3 on:** 06 May 2011, 12:26:15 »

Quote from: JPArbiter on 06 May 2011, 12:23:30

and this was why I did not put money into either project, because I wanted to be 100% sure that the license agreement extended to the miniatures (Something I warned about in the the fundraising threads for both)

If only we all possessed your intense insight.

JPArbiter · « **Reply #4 on:** 06 May 2011, 12:30:06 »

it was more a hunch.... then again I work in a place that has to be very mindful of license agreements, so to me it made sense to be wary.

Daishi411 · « **Reply #5 on:** 06 May 2011, 12:48:57 »

is the shadow hawk a go? cause if the sources are right then there is supposed to be one in the upcoming bounty hunter set?

ShockaTime · « **Reply #6 on:** 06 May 2011, 13:07:23 »

dang, bad news.

SapphireWolf · « **Reply #7 on:** 06 May 2011, 13:50:56 »

Not Good!

Does that mean... the Dougram mechs, the Locust, and the Victor Musical mechs must leave Battletech again?
(even though this thread focuses on the Primitive Shadow Hawk and the Thunderbolt)

-Sapph'

Daishi411 · « **Reply #8 on:** 06 May 2011, 14:06:15 »

Quote from: SapphireWolf on 06 May 2011, 13:50:56

Not Good!
Does that mean... the Dougram mechs, the Locust, and the Victor Musical mechs must leave Battletech again?
(even though this thread focuses on the Primitive Shadow Hawk and the Thunderbolt)

-Sapph'

no, i think its just an issue with making minis of them, the artwork is still all good

God and Davion · « **Reply #9 on:** 06 May 2011, 14:19:17 »

I'm not happy. Despite the bad end I have to say a big thanks to everyone for the efforts done. I'm sure that all of you did the best you could to avoid this. It is a pity.

The fan funding has been closed... again. Hmm.... I would like to partially fund a sculpted Omen... it is possible right now? many thanks in advance.

Stormlion1 · « **Reply #10 on:** 06 May 2011, 18:01:56 »

Well, if nothing else, we can transfer the funding over to another design easy enough. Any ideas?

3rdCrucisLancers · « **Reply #11 on:** 06 May 2011, 18:46:11 »

A couple, but I don't think it would be right to do anything without a broad consensus from the funders.

Siberian-troll · « **Reply #12 on:** 06 May 2011, 20:06:49 »

:'( I'm slightly depressed, but it's ok.

Sigma · « **Reply #13 on:** 07 May 2011, 00:33:24 »

Can I get a pic of the Greenstuff master of the SHD-1R at least? I've been wanting to see how it turned out since last September.

You can PM me if it's something that can't be posted on the forums.

John_Hawk · « **Reply #14 on:** 07 May 2011, 03:23:48 »

What a shame. I still hold out hope of getting a new original version of the unseen Thud one day, but it looks like it's not any time soon.

To follow up to 3CL's question, if we reassign the funds, do we have to put it all towards the same unit, or could each individual contributor put their money toward a different design if they wanted to? I'm good either way, but I was thinking if we split the money, we might be able to put several nearly funded designs over the edge.

Of course, the idea of completely funding a different design is cool, too.

JPArbiter · « **Reply #15 on:** 07 May 2011, 20:20:47 »

Quote from: SapphireWolf on 06 May 2011, 13:50:56

Not Good!
Does that mean... the Dougram mechs, the Locust, and the Victor Musical mechs must leave Battletech again?
(even though this thread focuses on the Primitive Shadow Hawk and the Thunderbolt)

-Sapph'

no, the ability to use artwork in Battletech products is not in question, the issue is whether or not those rights extend to allowing a subcontractor to produce Toys and Miniatures. You will still see (era appropriate) Thunderbolts and Shadow Hawks. from what I understand the VMI mechs were put in the unseen catagory more out of an abundance of caution (Same with the OST pods)

beachhead1985 · « **Reply #16 on:** 08 May 2011, 04:42:40 »

this is so silly! we can produce ART for these images, but not miniatures? good lord.

the whole unseen thing really gets me, we borrow images from various japanese animes, which either have limited runs themselves, or move on to other designs. We take them, use them, craft detailed histories for them, reference them for 20 years in new and evolving stories, produce metal miniatures for them which can be used forever and yet, legally someone else still owns them...

i'll just say it; I think the unseen and what i'll call the Semi-seen are more ours in a practical sense than they are their original creators, who if it were not for our community's interest in them, would probably long-since have let them lapse and forgotten about them.

Orin J. · « **Reply #17 on:** 08 May 2011, 07:51:18 »

man, there's a lance-worth of cash i need to waste on some other units....... i was looking forward to pugly lance, too.

timp77 · « **Reply #18 on:** 08 May 2011, 09:33:58 »

I think its time that the unseen get new images! The rate this is going...its a lost cause!
Just change them to look more the reseen images but just more different!

tBanzai · « **Reply #19 on:** 08 May 2011, 13:47:57 »

Eh, I'd rather wait for the unseens.

JPArbiter · « **Reply #20 on:** 08 May 2011, 14:12:46 »

Quote from: tBanzai on 08 May 2011, 13:47:57

Eh, I'd rather wait for the unseens.

be waiting for a long time then.

he time has come to cut our losses and just retcon the unseen entirely into new artwork in the same style as the Wolverine II

Sigma · « **Reply #21 on:** 08 May 2011, 14:18:08 »

Quote from: timp77 on 08 May 2011, 09:33:58

I think its time that the unseen get new images! The rate this is going...its a lost cause!
Just change them to look more the reseen images but just more different!

The SHD-1R was the first breed of that. And look at the problems it's still having.

timp77 · « **Reply #22 on:** 08 May 2011, 15:02:26 »

Its still looks like shadowhawk from the unseen...an example would get a reseen Shadowhawk and then make it look more bulky and wider! its truly time for the unseen become seen

Sigma · « **Reply #23 on:** 08 May 2011, 15:33:03 »

Quote from: timp77 on 08 May 2011, 15:02:26

Its still looks like shadowhawk from the unseen...an example would get a reseen Shadowhawk and then make it look more bulky and wider! its truly time for the unseen become seen

But the reseen SHD is miles removed from the original. You could at least give an example like the Longbow or Battlemaster or Archer or Stinger that at least look decently close to their roots. Even the 3085 Griffin and Wolverine ain't bad.

Stuff like the Marauder and Crusader and Shadowhawk reseens would just be insults to retcon in. Hell the reason the Marauder is so different in 3067 is because Liao finally decided they were gonna manufacture a fancy tech one after all their work trying to make Marauders that resulted in things like the Cataphract.

Genyosha · « **Reply #24 on:** 08 May 2011, 15:46:00 »

Quote from: JPArbiter on 06 May 2011, 12:23:30

and this was why I did not put money into either project, because I wanted to be 100% sure that the license agreement extended to the miniatures (Something I warned about in the the fundraising threads for both)

Thank you for this great post.

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Author Topic: Thunderbolt and Primitive Shadow Hawk (Read 3304 times)