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Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« on: 20 June 2011, 12:38:17 »
Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL

Descended from failed Luthien Armor Works efforts to develop an OmniVTOL in the OmniMania of the 3060s, the Yasha was picked up from LAW's wreckage by Wakizashi.  After promptly failing to develop an OmniVTOL of their own (a project that's complicated by both the nature of being an Omni and the major question of pod space vs. speed that a VTOL's size and need for speed makes even more complicated), Wakizashi realized that they did have a stable, capable airframe on their hands.  Unwilling to write off the investment (why am I hearing the words sunk cost fallacy?), executives suggested three variants and Marketing named it after a class of Buddhist nature spirits, using the Japanese spelling.

The primary model is the reincarnation of the Yellow Jacket.  When GWA reposted JadeHellbringer's article on that particular Gauss-armed sniper, oldfart3025 and Cannonshop were very eloquent on their problems with the design, most of them centering on the speed being too low.  oldfart3025 did suggest that a faster model was somewhat more useful and Cannonshop made some excellent points on the value of range to the mission profile and that's what Wakizashi provided in this 30 ton VTOL.  The engine is a 70-rated Indy Extralight, providing a 119 kph flank speed in a straight dash that sort of addresses the speed problem.  3.5 tons of heavy ferro-fibrous improves on the Yellow Jacket's protection with a 21/18/10/2 arrangement.  The main gun isn't a Gauss rifle but an HPPC linked to a C3 module.  I question whether or not a C3-linked HPPC is really an improvement given the way ECM has proliferated lately but it's certainly an interesting way to address the problem.  This next part is where things like sharks and ramps get involved.  Some genius decided to mount an LMG as a backup weapon, complete with CASE.  That's 1.5 tons on a vehicle that's already invested half its tonnage into weapons and really needs to stay out of short range anyway.  Investing a ton into a larger engine (speed is life, after all...) and then maybe a rocket launcher or buffing the armor sounds like it would have been a wiser idea.  Due to limited DCMS interest in VTOLs and considerable interest in export revenue, the Yasha is available to every Inner Sphere faction, every Inner Sphere Clan (including the Ravens and Bears - you know, those angry-looking genetic supermen on their borders), and mercenaries in general.

The Yasha (Interdictor) is a different kettle of kittens.  The CASE was retained but everything else - literally everything - was dropped.  ECM and an active probe provide a solid electronic warfare package.  Armament is now twin MML 7s with Artemis IV fed by three tons, a reasonable LRM throw weight and a serious SRM spread if someone gets close.  Overall, this one is interesting but again really too slow.

The last model in production right now is the Yasha "Spectre" which is trying to reinvent the Hawk Moth.  The catch is instead of being 8/12, it's 7/11 with vehicle stealth armor (and ECM, naturally) and a targeting computer.  The combination of factors is intended to create a positive relative targeting modifier, even against flak, and should be more survivable even with the drop in armor to a 15/15/9/2 arrangement.

Using a Yasha requires you to keep moving.  None of them are really anything the opponent's going to like seeing and the primary model's firepower and C3 slave are going to draw fire like a magnet.  I heavily suggest employing C3 where you can, keeping at long range and pouring 15 point hits in.  The Interdictors make decent snipers and will punish someone who closes.  You can use them to interfere with a C3 network but are probably better suited to keeping Artemis off of your units.  Use the Spectre as a sniper.  Anyone with a flak weapon (LB-X, autocannons with certain ammo types, HAGs, SB Gauss) needs to be shot full of holes ASAP.

Killing them means having an accurate weapon, preferably a flak weapon, to punch out the VTOL.  Reasonably powerful weapons will be useful, too.  Probably the best are LB-X autocannons or SB Gauss rifles, which punch out a storm of 1 point hits that tends to do a number on rotors.  High on the list of desirability are HAGs and Clan pulse lasers, either of which are excellent choices for swatting VTOLs.  Bring ECM if you can to shut the C3 network down on a primary model.

Image Reference: No BattleTech miniature is available yet and while this is a Dark Age unit originally, I didn't find a dossier for the unit.  The old Dark Age miniature is viewable here.  The Master Unit List includes some information on availability well worth perusing.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #1 on: 20 June 2011, 13:33:46 »
Ok, I'll note a few thoughts in the hope of not being beat up by Welshman...

  • the Yasha was first drafted up as a Support VTOL and immediately vetoed. The XL madness results from a wish to make it different to the Yellow Jacket
  • the Interdictor is a cool cat for squeezing vehicle slots to the max (including the nicety of Artemis FCS not requiring an extra slot on vehicles). Also, it started the "Interdictor" class label
  • it is a genuine and complete coincidence that the LGR/Stealth variants of the Regulator II and Yasha follow the same path
  • being allowed to do some basic work on this design's stats (all props for the base variant go to the actual writer) was my way in for further work on TRO 3085, for which it will always be dear to my heart

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #2 on: 20 June 2011, 13:49:00 »
Ahhh, those pesky writers.

I picked this one up a bit late in the process, props to Jymset for the design work. The main version was a bit Yellow Jacket-y, sporting a GR with 2 tons of ammo. I asked Joel if we could use a HPPC instead, to make it a little different and more Combine-like while not really impacting the performance too much. He approved and suggested the LMG to make up the weight. I'm not sure when the C3 entered the picture, but it might be a nice toy to use with the big gun. It is kind of funny that the primary variant was somewhat limited by it's own variants.  :D

The fluff was fun to write, especially salvaging from LAW's poor corporate decisions.  ;)
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #3 on: 20 June 2011, 13:58:09 »
Still too slow and short-ranged, making it a prime target, esp as no one wants a C3-linked HPPC taking potshots at them.  It can post a 4+TMM and turn once, though it risks a PSR.  Should be a useful way to salvage HPPCs which are in range of LB-10Xs and other VTOL-killers.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #4 on: 20 June 2011, 15:21:16 »
Ahhh, those pesky writers.

Ah, Kit, so it was you! I was unsure, so I chose anonymity above. I was so glad to see your changes on the base. Originally the Gauss was in there because the basic parameters called for it. You really gave the Yasha its own character.  [rockon]

On the LMG - yeah, Welshman was big on them in the TRO. I would not call it jumping the shark, personally I really like their proliferation. The Yasha may not really be a primary unit for one, but the same TRO also introduced a plethora of infantry. The LMG makes not much sense for Clanners these days (hackAPGcough) but for the IS it is the anti-infantry weapon with the best range out there.

This side of the Plasma Rifle.

Having the weapon feature frequently in this TRO makes sense and its inclusion on the Yasha certainly illustrates its pedigree.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #5 on: 21 June 2011, 01:50:54 »
I've used both variants a number of times recently against Maelwys. I've really found them to be a great addition to Republic forces.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #6 on: 21 June 2011, 02:05:00 »
My only complaint for Yasha, it's lack of canon C3 master VTOL in DCMS ranks.
In my VTOL lance I have a Crow, a very nice spotter, 2 hard-hitting Yasha, and custom C3-master Lamprey from Mmnet.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #7 on: 21 June 2011, 03:43:24 »
I've used both variants a number of times recently against Maelwys. I've really found them to be a great addition to Republic forces.

HAG's forever!

On a slightly more serious note..yeah. They hurt pretty bad. The Interdictor variants have enough tubes that they mess up pretty much everything they have a mind to mess up. Vehicles with multiple Infernos, the same with BA and infantry. Artemis'd SRMs/LRMs when called for. I lost several good units to these recently. I didn't really notice the movement being a problem for Dread Moores (it was a problem for you mind me when facing them).

I must admit to laughing gleefully when one blundered into short range of my HAG40 Cygnus though :)

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #8 on: 21 June 2011, 06:53:25 »
The LMG makes not much sense for Clanners these days (hackAPGcough) but for the IS it is the anti-infantry weapon with the best range out there.
Eh, for the 1.5 tons it takes, you're still getting 4 Clan LMG's to 1 AP Gauss.  I wouldnt rule out the 'chunky salsa' maker quite yet.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #9 on: 21 June 2011, 13:42:21 »
On the LMG - yeah, Welshman was big on them in the TRO. I would not call it jumping the shark, personally I really like their proliferation. The Yasha may not really be a primary unit for one, but the same TRO also introduced a plethora of infantry. The LMG makes not much sense for Clanners these days (hackAPGcough) but for the IS it is the anti-infantry weapon with the best range out there.

Let me clarify.  The LMG in general I actually like and enjoy using for either the additional range or sheer variety.  I'd be making the same noises about an APGR or even louder ones for a stock machine gun.  It feels like someone tacked it on rather than really addressing the Yasha's critical need, more speed.

Eh, for the 1.5 tons it takes, you're still getting 4 Clan LMG's to 1 AP Gauss.  I wouldnt rule out the 'chunky salsa' maker quite yet.

Yeah but the numbers get a lot more even when you're not just putting a singleton APGR in.  At two tons, you have six LMGs against two APGRs which will also have more ammo.  That's a much more even proposition.  The longer range has its own virtues, too.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #10 on: 24 June 2011, 12:30:37 »
Still too slow and short-ranged, making it a prime target, esp as no one wants a C3-linked HPPC taking potshots at them.  It can post a 4+TMM and turn once, though it risks a PSR.  Should be a useful way to salvage HPPCs which are in range of LB-10Xs and other VTOL-killers.

I haven't been entirely happy with the base model either, despite the excellent armor and crew protection.  But I find that the EW model is useful, using the MMLs as a "stand-off" defensive system only.

The "Spectre" variant, on the other hand, has worked out okay so far.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #11 on: 24 June 2011, 22:09:06 »
I haven't been entirely happy with the base model either, despite the excellent armor and crew protection.  But I find that the EW model is useful, using the MMLs as a "stand-off" defensive system only.

The "Spectre" variant, on the other hand, has worked out okay so far.

Things like the Spectre and Hawk Moth are why I keep those old Warriors on hand with precision ammo.  Too fast for the slower choppers to evade or keep at range, and the small hits add up quick.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #12 on: 24 June 2011, 22:15:42 »
Things like the Spectre and Hawk Moth are why I keep those old Warriors on hand with precision ammo.  Too fast for the slower choppers to evade or keep at range, and the small hits add up quick.


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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Yasha VTOL
« Reply #13 on: 24 June 2011, 22:25:37 »
Or flak if people are willing to use TO ammo types.  All it does is halve damage against non-airborne units other than infantry and make the autocannon a flak weapon.

 

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