Author Topic: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)  (Read 41587 times)

Xeno426

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It was noted that the Bears would be the least likely to use it. They have a retirement program now and insanity inducing EI is a bad fit for that. On top of that is the overplayed Bear dislike of new tech.
I think they get Flanderized a bit in this regard. My view is that they prefer technology that has reached maturity. If interface systems could get to a point where a pilot could get a few good years in (maybe five to ten) and then leave without suffering permanent mental damage, I think the Dominion would be much more open to using it. As you point out, the fact that they are practically developing a retirement program (they pretty much have to for the KungsArmé forces) rather kills their employment of most EI systems as they are now. Honestly, I think it more likely they'd start using C3i again before Interface becomes widespread.

If Interface becomes more widespread in the other IS Clans, I would honestly see them heavily using C3i and TCs all over the place before they move into more EI territory. Those two things (combined with doctrine that makes full use of them) could help keep them on equal footing with Clans using Interface technology.

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Not gonna lie, this was stupid fun.  http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57516.0  Wish I could have done that with a dual UAC-20 machine...

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Nothing wrong with the firepower on that.
I think they get Flanderized a bit in this regard. My view is that they prefer technology that has reached maturity. If interface systems could get to a point where a pilot could get a few good years in (maybe five to ten) and then leave without suffering permanent mental damage, I think the Dominion would be much more open to using it. As you point out, the fact that they are practically developing a retirement program (they pretty much have to for the KungsArmé forces) rather kills their employment of most EI systems as they are now. Honestly, I think it more likely they'd start using C3i again before Interface becomes widespread.

If Interface becomes more widespread in the other IS Clans, I would honestly see them heavily using C3i and TCs all over the place before they move into more EI territory. Those two things (combined with doctrine that makes full use of them) could help keep them on equal footing with Clans using Interface technology.
Always remember with the Bears they have been given a lot of advantages so they need to be gimped in others.

TCs are problematic for weight reasons and we already see their use in intelligent places in the touman.

WoB iC3 saw ECM spread liberally around the Sphere. To the point C3 isn't standard DC equipment now. Plus it doesn't work with stealth tech if we are going that way.

Interface Cockpits are that revolutionary. You get better pilot performance. And your Mech gains 4 crits and 2-4 tons. That pays for Ferro Lammellor armor in most cases. (FL is situationally better than FF.) Look how it changed the Viper. Now do that to every light Clan Mech in the game.

There are tactical fixes to Interface Cockpits and there is a cost in pilot lifespans. But there are ALWAYS young dumb patriots willing to pilot things like this. Heck. There is  not one ex military person that I know that isn't carrying a long term injury. It will happen. It is just a question of when.

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Nothing wrong with the firepower on that.  Always remember with the Bears they have been given a lot of advantages so they need to be gimped in others.
Glad you liked it.  That one was cute.  So what's the general design etho1s/flavor of the modern RasDom, anyway?  Was there a merging of mindsets between the two sides?  I'm wanting to get a better feel for things besides '100 ton bear mechs' myself.

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... Always remember with the Bears they have been given a lot of advantages...

Understatement of the thread!

Sorry, I'm aware this is the Dominion fan thread.  Let me express something other than sour grapes:  Wars of the Republic Era was a pretty enjoyable read.  Even when the Dominion won :)   Besides, they're probably going to end up being either the ilClan or the ilClan's kingmaker anyway.  TPTB aren't going to turn around how much "nothing bad ever happens to us" inertia the Bears have had for so long anytime soon.

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I'm always a bit surprised when people feel the need to cry fiat at large, careful and adaptable factions like the Bears and Adders tending to do well in the BT setting, while wildly flailing boneheads like the Jaguars and WoB get squashed.

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Not gonna lie, this was stupid fun.  http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57516.0  Wish I could have done that with a dual UAC-20 machine...

I like it: at the same time I want a dezgra exile or mercenary to grab one remove the missile launchers and add Claws and something close range like an LBX-20 but that would leave the ER PPC out and then it's got no long range things.

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Well, Clan LRMs are deliciously short-ranged at 7 hexes and have no minimums, so there's that.  Plus all those ERMLs...

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Yea, your version is what I expect a Kodiak to be: I was just talking hypothetically about a custom on your version.

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Well, I can think of worse things to buy for 4550 BV, but there you go.  One LB-20 variant for shorter-range work.

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Personally i am a bigger fan of slapping a gauss rifle instead of ac20. I like the longer range and cooler heat profile so i can work more of my medium lasers in the patented care bear stare.
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I have got a lot more selective with AC20s over the years. For example I usually don't bother at 4/6 which rules out most assaults. They are so slow they need the reach of a gauss. The Kodiak is an exception as a flavor unit.
Executioners are interesting because they can be fast enough but their pod space is so limited an AC20 compromises their balance. The H is the only one that really pulls it off.
Ultimately I am not a big fan of AC20s in the first place. The odds of a single big hit are low while a cluster of medium lasers doing more damage are higher.

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on the CLPS note, the wolves may have actually broken the ice on that front earlier than that.

the Original TRO entry for the Phantom medium omni, describes the mech as having a system along those lines (though never statted as such)

Quote from: TRO 3055
It's outer couating features a special polarizing crystal process that make it indistinct and blurry to any scanning or sensor system.

Playing with a mech editor I did whip up a "Phantom (Prototype)" based on that line, that includes CLPS without breaking any configs. Kindof a pre-wulfen.

not necessarily canon, but speculation about CLPS on clan designs isn't necessarily unfounded either.
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I'm fine with the Clans becoming Yautja. ;D

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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #854 on: 23 June 2017, 21:04:06 »
Birthday battle ideas aaaaand GO!
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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #855 on: 24 June 2017, 14:49:37 »
Using a Wolf Assualt Star to beat a Bear Pinata?

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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #857 on: 25 June 2017, 01:44:28 »
Birthday battle ideas aaaaand GO!

try out my new Elemental "Mech" that I hastily threw together just for you ;)
...I have no idea how it performs, and I have no record of how we built the Elementals from before, so I thought I'd try something different
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