Author Topic: Why no fragmentation in the Star League Communications Network?  (Read 1458 times)

Giovanni Blasini

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Did any of the Houses even have the capacity to maintain the HPGs? I don't mean the knowledge, I mean the industry.
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  It makes a certain amount of sense though.  No state can reproduce or defend their communications network, better to turn if over to a neutral third party than have it bombed in minute two of the conflict and being unable to replace it.

  As far as the setting is concerned the HPG grid is a like a glass house.  As soon as people start throwing stones its gone and no amount crying will bring it back.  Now not only can you kiss your dreams of intergalactic conquest goodbye but your now having to run your interstellar empire via the 28th century equivalent of snail mail.

 
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Did any of the Houses even have the capacity to maintain the HPGs? I don't mean the knowledge, I mean the industry.

They were inventions of the Hegemony, and IIRC they were solely run and maintained by the Star League.  An external agency in ComStar running your Comms for you is just a continuation of the status quo for the Great Houses.  Same shit, different logo.

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HPG system wasn't highly covered. It's basically a Telegraph system for the stars using Hyperspace technology Jumpships use.  They have to be well coordinated to receive a signal.  In the MW novel (not MWDA), Imminent Crisis, an EARLY HPG was known to be on New Syrtis and was to planned to be used if ComStar decided take sides during the war. 

My guess/impression was that HPG was patchy during the later Star League era.  I don't recall them getting detail how all these worlds of the Star League were communicating until the events HPG coming online. Pony Express through JumpShip trade routes?  Alot worlds would ended up isolated with infrequent communcation if they weren't on those trade routes (if that how they kept these worlds inline together with their respective interstellar nation state.)
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Signing up with a house make you a prime military target. C* affiliation will make armies think twice about blasting your compound.
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I thought it was heavily implied if not outright stated that all the House Lords went along with the idea of Comstar because

1) They needed communications across the Inner Sphere for more reasons than can be listed here.

2) They needed an "honest broker" between the powers for a whole host of reasons ranging from a common currency to prisoner exchanges.

3) Allowing the early formation of Comstar and with it the neutrality of Earth meant the House Lords had one fewer headache. 

4) Most figured that once they conquered rest of the Successor States they would snap up Comstar was well anyway.

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We all know the story.  Between the conclusion of LIBERATION and the enactment of EXODUS, the Great Houses recruited a number of former SLDF commands to their ranks.  So...why was there no similar recruitment of HPG staff, and moreso, why were they apparently so unanimously behind Blake?  When he enacted SILVER SHIELD, the whole net went down.  No one said "You know what, no.  I'm not crippling this planet's communications just because Blake asked nicely."  The Precentors on the various capitals held off the House Lords with excuses for days.  So...why?  Why didn't some SLCOMNET personnel side with the realm they were stationed in and fragment the network?  The unanimity with which they backed Blake, and later the quasi-religious reformation of ComStar, just seems really strange to me.  I mean, by 3025 all that stuff is entrenched and ROM is the most powerful intel network anywhere.  Betray ComStar and you'll disappear (at best).  But in the early years, before ROM even existed?  It seems like you'd see some people somewhere deserting ComStar and taking the knowledge of HPG operation with them.

The answer to your question is very simple.  The only manufacturer of Hyper Pulse Generator equipment in known space before the arrival of the Clans was Communications Enterprises, Inc. on Earth.  ComStar controlled the spare parts.  Only ComStar had the ability to fix the transmitting stations.  This is how Jerome Blake was able to create ComStar by convincing the leaders of the Successor States that ComStar would maintain and repair all HPG stations with complete neutrality.  SLCOMNET personnel had the practical training and some of the personnel had the theoretical training to operate and repair the network but they lacked the ability to manufacture the parts needed to keep the network operational.  Remember that the combination of the First Succession War (through collateral damage) and the Star League Civil War devastated the HPG network.  ComStar was only able to bring back to operation 80% of the original Star League HPG network in the Inner Sphere by 3025.  So during the Succession Wars, the leaders of the Successor states were solely dependent on ComStar to keep their HPG transmitting stations operational.

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still trying to figure out this Microsoft Edge - sorry for the duplicate
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Also, isn't there a maximum range for HPGs (making it easier to isolate them)? Otherwise, wouldn't C* be picking up transmissions from the homeworlds long before the clan invasion?
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Also, isn't there a maximum range for HPGs (making it easier to isolate them)? Otherwise, wouldn't C* be picking up transmissions from the homeworlds long before the clan invasion?
The only signals you could pick up would be radio signals that travel through space, at the speed of light. But a signal from the Clan homeworlds wouldn't be anywhere near the Inner Sphere by this time, plus it would have to have been an extremely powerful signal to arrive in the IS in any recognizable form.

HPG messages, by comparision, don't travel through space. HPGs create a point within up to 30 (for class B) or even 50 (for class A) light-years from whence normal omnidirectional radio waves emanate that carry the signal. Those radio waves will typically be very weak, and probably won't go out beyond a few light minutes. Standard operational procedure for HPGs even seems to be to transmit directly to a shielded receiver room within the target ComStar station or aboard a spaceship so you can't eavesdrop.
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Aiming at a target tens of lights years away, especially mobile one like a spaceship, seems unfeasible. Hack even hitting a planet (which is also mobile, but at least has a predictable course), would require enormous computing power, no to mention meaning to hit a specific location on the planet.
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Yet for all we know, that's exactly how they operate.
(And they can jump entire kilometer-long starships with pinpoint accuracy so surely "jumping" a mere radio signal wave is considerably easier.)
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i suspect there was fracturing. and that the states did try and grab HPG stations. (or rather, blockaded/besieged those that didn't just surrender. i doubt they would risk damage to them by active assaults.

i suspect that Comstar demonstrated the concept of interdiction and did some under the table blackmail to get the successor states to back off and return the network.

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That's what did happen during the Purification, House Davion offered sanctuary to any techs who wanted to escape the religious transformation of ComStar only to return those that accepted when Toyama threatened Interdiction.