Author Topic: TRO: Succession Wars (yes, you can buy it now) (Read 35461 times)

ColBosch · « **Reply #30 on:** 22 July 2017, 20:48:28 »

Quote from: mrbooth on 22 July 2017, 20:35:34

So I move that who ever did the Thunderbolt and Battlemaster art now has to go back and do all the old art. They look phenomenal.

I'd love to see Anthony Scroggins and David White redo all the old art, and have Plog fix his early designs.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #31 on:** 22 July 2017, 20:55:57 »

Quote from: Sartris on 22 July 2017, 18:06:09

no macross designs (at least at first glance). no quads. no osts besides the Ostscout... Lots of questions there.

Quote from: Doom on 22 July 2017, 18:20:37

No Macross designs?

Adrian, sorry for poking what might be a bad thing to poke, but what's the reason no Macross designs? It's not like we don't have lineart for some of them; is that changing again?

SteelRaven · « **Reply #32 on:** 22 July 2017, 20:59:43 »

Quote from: ColBosch on 22 July 2017, 20:48:28

I'd love to see Anthony Scroggins and David White redo all the old art, and have Plog fix his early designs.

They are taking commissions if you want to go for it.

ColBosch · « **Reply #33 on:** 22 July 2017, 21:09:45 »

I am aware of that. But it wouldn't change the art in the books, would it?

SteelRaven · « **Reply #34 on:** 22 July 2017, 21:27:21 »

missing my point but I'll drop it.

Pat Payne · « **Reply #35 on:** 22 July 2017, 21:28:40 »

Two questions I have on the book

1. (getting the easier and probably more likely to be answered one out of the way) Was the non-inclusion of the new variants of the Thud from 2SW just due to a time crunch, an oversight, or was it intentional (as they weren't all that common to begin with according to the shiny new canon of 2SW) and can easily be explained as ComStar's records not being as complete as everyone thinks they are ;)

2. Echoing ANS Kamas P81's question -- is there any rationale that can be offered for the non-inclusion of the Classics that replaced the Macross Unseen? It'd definitely help tamp down a bit of fan paranoia...

jklantern · « **Reply #36 on:** 22 July 2017, 21:29:38 »

Got the PDF. CANNOT wait for the Hardcopy. I mean, I know it's Mechs we're all already familiar with, but considering I currently don't have most of the TROs (and that my brother's copies of most of them are older versions), I am SERIOUSLY digging this one.

Saint · « **Reply #37 on:** 22 July 2017, 21:50:00 »

Quote from: Liam's Ghost on 22 July 2017, 18:38:12

There are a LOT of mechs I didn't expect to see in a TRO called the succession wars, which is always a bonus. I expect my periphery brothers to be up in arms over the failure of the Toro to make an appearance. :P

Not up in arms over the Toro's absence , but I am surprised considering the Talos is in there.

And I'm jumping for joy over the new Flea and my beloved Rampage being in there.

Sartris · « **Reply #38 on:** 22 July 2017, 21:51:51 »

Quote from: Saint on 22 July 2017, 21:50:00

Not up in arms over the Toro's absence , but I am surprised considering the Talos is in there.

And I'm jumping for joy over the new Flea and my beloved Rampage being in there.

~~was the dragoon in there?~~

Phoenix and Rampage but no Dragoon. Did it come and go too fast to be worth including?

jklantern · « **Reply #39 on:** 22 July 2017, 22:00:37 »

There is only one omission that REALLY irks me. And I understand WHY it was omitted, but it just screams "missed opportunity" to me. (And probably only me.)

Rifleman II. We could've had official art!

"JK, you are literally the only one on the planet who cares about that Mech."

Empyrus · « **Reply #40 on:** 22 July 2017, 22:13:06 »

Quote from: jklantern on 22 July 2017, 22:00:37

There is only one omission that REALLY irks me. And I understand WHY it was omitted, but it just screams "missed opportunity" to me. (And probably only me.)

Rifleman II. We could've had official art!

"JK, you are literally the only one on the planet who cares about that Mech."

I never cared for the idea of up-tonned variants but since it exists and is considerably more massive... yeah, it needs art. That said, omitting it from this TRO makes sense since the 'Mech was presumably rather rare in the first place, it is likely all Rifleman IIs were taken by the Exodus, and the TRO lacks standard Rifleman too...

SCC · « **Reply #41 on:** 22 July 2017, 22:24:43 »

Quote from: Liam's Ghost on 22 July 2017, 19:30:44

Not the same thing. None of the classics included in the book originated with Macross.

Quote from: ColBosch on 22 July 2017, 20:03:57

Third Star League confirmed.

I wonder if these are somehow connected, like telling us which designs the Third League considers important, or maybe it's telling us which designs aren't in use anymore (Likely the ones in this book)

ColBosch · « **Reply #42 on:** 22 July 2017, 22:30:28 »

Quote from: SCC on 22 July 2017, 22:24:43

I wonder if these are somehow connected, like telling us which designs the Third League considers important, or maybe it's telling us which designs aren't in use anymore (Likely the ones in this book)

Nope. The introduction mentions a modern (3250) character using a Thunderbolt.

Sartris · « **Reply #43 on:** 22 July 2017, 22:36:17 »

A few omissions from the book I noticed. Probably space concerns.

Hornet
Toro
Wyvern
Alfar (the Talos was included from Reunification War)
Champion
Crossbow
Ostwar
Caesar
Helepolis (probably due to artillery)
Mauler

YingJanshi · « **Reply #44 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:02:27 »

Beyond that shock of an introduction.... what else stands out?
Is the art for the Galahad new? I don't recognize it...

Doom · « **Reply #45 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:04:19 »

Quote from: YingJanshi on 22 July 2017, 23:02:27

Beyond that shock of an introduction.... what else stands out?
Is the art for the Galahad new? I don't recognize it...

I think the art and the writeup are new.

Empyrus · « **Reply #46 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:04:26 »

Quote from: YingJanshi on 22 July 2017, 23:02:27

Beyond that shock of an introduction.... what else stands out?
Is the art for the Galahad new? I don't recognize it...

Yeah, new, depicting the older variant rather than the Gauss variant.

The Banshee has new art, specifically for the BNS-3S variant, the early 31st century slow and heavily armed one.

YingJanshi · « **Reply #47 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:19:31 »

Are the various write-ups taken from the previous TROs for the most part? Any of the Notable Warriors new?

Empyrus · « **Reply #48 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:20:48 »

Quote from: YingJanshi on 22 July 2017, 23:19:31

Are the various write-ups taken from the previous TROs for the most part? Any of the Notable Warriors new?

The Flea, which is a new variant and has new art, also has new pilot while the other one is from TRO 3039, i think.

Doom · « **Reply #49 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:30:20 »

It looks to me like the Flea, Galahad, and Banshee are new writeups and new art. The rest of the writeups, I believe, are recycled.

jklantern · « **Reply #50 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:50:48 »

Quote from: Doom on 22 July 2017, 23:30:20

It looks to me like the Flea, Galahad, and Banshee are new writeups and new art. The rest of the writeups, I believe, are recycled.

If I haven't seen them, they're new to me! ;)

Valkerie · « **Reply #51 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:53:59 »

Are physical books coming, or is it going to be a 'take the PDF to you local printer' bit if you want that?

Sartris · « **Reply #52 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:54:52 »

Quote from: Valkerie on 22 July 2017, 23:53:59

Are physical books coming, or is it going to be a 'take the PDF to you local printer' bit if you want that?

it will receive the full physical treatment, yes

Valkerie · « **Reply #53 on:** 22 July 2017, 23:55:50 »

Sweet. Three new books to add to the collection ;D ;D 8)

pheonixstorm · « **Reply #54 on:** 23 July 2017, 00:04:29 »

I *think* it was mentioned up thread that the new BMM and TRO were meant to be part of the beginner experience. Unless that was a fan judgement... don't recall which. I do know that Adrian said the TRO was going to print. I think... another year older today, another fuzzier memory...

ChrystalNiNja88 · « **Reply #55 on:** 23 July 2017, 00:43:33 »

Been perusing the TRO. So far looks nice, and the new art for the Galahad, Flea, etc. were nice surprises, as well as the 3250 intro. I'm excited to see how the Inner Sphere pot has been simmering since our new Overlords took over. :)

The only gripes I have, like anyone else, is the lack of of the 'Macross' designs. Also, the lack of LAMs. I know it's just me and that their rules far exceed the BattleMech Manual's scope, but their inclusion would have tickled my fancy. The ravages of the Succession Wars made them a notable victim for me.

ColBosch · « **Reply #56 on:** 23 July 2017, 01:18:19 »

Quote from: pheonixstorm on 23 July 2017, 00:04:29

I *think* it was mentioned up thread that the new BMM and TRO were meant to be part of the beginner experience. Unless that was a fan judgement... don't recall which. I do know that Adrian said the TRO was going to print. I think... another year older today, another fuzzier memory...

I've been saying that, and I am just a fan, but I can connect the dots. O0

Highball · « **Reply #57 on:** 23 July 2017, 02:37:12 »

Very disappointed with this. If I had known that iconic Mech's would be COMPLETELY OMITTED; aka the Rifleman, Marauder, Warhammer, All the Ost Mech's, Stinger, Wasp, etc etc etc, then I would not have bothered to purchase it. Serious buyers remorse.

Deadborder · « **Reply #58 on:** 23 July 2017, 04:03:40 »

There is a new Flea variant. I am strrangely excited by this.

Cyc · « **Reply #59 on:** 23 July 2017, 05:55:03 »

The new Flea, Galahad and Banshee art along with the Classics was definitely nice to see. That the entries were verbatim and not new 3250 look backs like I naively assumed was less enjoyable to see.

But the Introduction reminds me that I need to stop getting so negatively worked up about something that is meant to be a hobby for enjoyment.