Lykophos Mk.II

[Black_Knyght]

Still something of a W-i-P for me, I wanted to try my hand at reworking the old MFUK Lykophos. Can't seem to make a viable heavy laser version though, and the underwater version simply escapes me. based on Heavy Gauss's custom minis (pics below) and the MFUK artwork, I originally intended this design to features missiles in the body and various other weapons to be arm-mounted.

That said, I've developed a few alternate configurations and would welcome civil thoughts and suggestions concerning them.

NOTE: This design was NEVER intended to be OPTIMIZED to the fullest extent of the rules, but rather is intended as an exercise in revamping an old and forgotten design.

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The Lykophos Mk II was developed as an upgraded version of the antiquated Lykophos omnimech. The new 'Mech differs from its obsolete originator by having a heavier equipment capacity and improved armor protection. Interestingly, the Lykophos Mk II was developed with modular torso weapon bays primarily intended for use with missiles, often pairing them with arm-mounted energy or ballistic weapons. Unlike it's originator, instead of Ferro-Fibrous armor the Lykophos Mk.II makes use of Endo Steel construction to save weight. The original fixed jump jets were also removed, instead making them an optional addition.

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Lykophos Mk.II

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[Firesprocket]

I understand that it isn't meant to be optimized, but the fact that you can stick some heat sinks into the engine and don't seems like a crime.  The only one of the bunch I'm not real fond of is the Prime.  There is quite a bit of waste by trying to do to much.  LRMs with Artemis and ER PPCs with a TC which combined can't be all used in an AS without substantial heat build up.

The D appears to be the only design that would really have to change to make this a reality.  I'd suggest using LB-5s rather than 10s.  While this is clearly a move that optimizes, it makes sense as the LB5 shares weapons ranges with the LRM.  That keeps your potential damage in the same neighborhood as the original design, but will have less spread, but better range.  It is also marginally warmer.  If an when I wake up today I'll look over the H and U configurations.

[Black_Knyght]

the fact that you can stick some heat sinks into the engine and don't

You lost me here. Not sure what you're trying to say exactly.

As for the Prime, I'll admit the TC might be a waste. I really wanted the ER-PPC/LRM-20 only combo, and had tonnage left over, so I added the TC. I'm willing to rethink that.

[Speedbump]

You lost me here. Not sure what you're trying to say exactly.

Firesprocket can feel to correct me, but I think they're referring to the fact that you've left the base chassis with only 10 DHS and any additional heat sinks have to be mounted outside the engine. Most Omnis include some extra engine mounted heat sinks if they can, although having looked at the original Lykophos it's an exception to that rule.

[Black_Knyght]

Ah, now I see the issue.

I've been using MegaMekLab, and with the omnimech box checked it only showed 10 free heat sinks. I didn't think more about that when designing the various configurations. Unchecking the omnimech box shows 12 free HS, so I'll revise that accordingly.

Of course, it'll reduce the available pod space equally so I may need to go back to the drawing board.  ;)

[Black_Knyght]

Hmmmm...., I think I just found a flaw in MegaMekLab.

Regardless of how many free heat sinks an engine has, when you check Omnimech it reverts to only 10, forcing you to place any above that which should be part of the engine.

AND instead of showing "Carrying Capacity: One battle armor squad" is shows "!MechView.CarringCapacity!One battle armor squad" instead

[Speedbump]

Hmmmm...., I think I just found a flaw in MegaMekLab.

Regardless of how many free heat sinks an engine has, when you check Omnimech it reverts to only 10, forcing you to place any above that which should be part of the engine.

Really? What happens when you open a cannon Omnimech? Are they effected?

Solaris Skunk Werks handles Omnimechs perfectly fine. On the other hand it hasn't been updated for 3 years and it does have some issues when it comes to some advanced tech that it does include.

[Black_Knyght]

When you open a canon omnimech, it's shows the heat sinks correctly. But if you modify it in any way in reverts to 10 again.

[Speedbump]

It's an odd issue, but after a quick test it looks to me like the development snapshot has resolved both bugs.

[Black_Knyght]

Got a link to the most recent working version of MML?

[Black_Knyght]

Now that I'm aware of the unexpected errors, here's a revised set of configurations for the Lykophos Mk.II project

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The Lykophos Mk II was developed as an upgraded version of the antiquated Lykophos omnimech. The new 'Mech differs from its obsolete originator by having a heavier equipment capacity and improved armor protection. Interestingly, the Lykophos Mk II was developed with modular torso weapon bays primarily intended for use with missiles, often pairing them with arm-mounted energy or ballistic weapons. Unlike it's originator, instead of Ferro-Fibrous armor the Lykophos Mk.II makes use of Endo Steel construction to save weight. The original fixed jump jets were also removed, instead making them an optional addition.

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Lykophos Mk.II (corrected/revised)

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Lykophos Mk.II (BASE)
Clan Assault Omnimech
80 tons 
BV: 1,094
Cost: 22,487,550 C-bills

Pod space available: 38 tons

Movement: 4/6(
Engine: 320 XL
Heat Sinks: 12 [24]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 232/247
                     Internal    Armor
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Center Torso               25       37
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                17       27
Right Torso (rear)                   7
Left Torso                 17       27
Left Torso (rear)                    7
Right Arm                  13       24
Left Arm                   13       24
Right Leg                  17       30
Left Leg                   17       30

Equipment                      Loc
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MASC                            LT

Carrying Capacity:  One battle armor squad



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Lykophos Mk.II Prime
Clan Assault Omnimech
80 tons 
BV: 3,495
Cost: 26,292,750 C-bills

Pod space available: 38 tons

Movement: 4/6(/4
Engine: 320 XL
Heat Sinks: 18 [36]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 232/247
                     Internal    Armor
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Center Torso               25       37
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                17       27
Right Torso (rear)                   7
Left Torso                 17       27
Left Torso (rear)                    7
Right Arm                  13       24
Left Arm                   13       24
Right Leg                  17       30
Left Leg                   17       30

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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ER PPC                          RA    15
ER PPC                          LA    15
LRM 20                          RT     6
LRM 20                          LT     6

Ammo                           Loc Shots
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LRM 20 Ammo                     RT     6
LRM 20 Ammo                     RT     6
LRM 20 Ammo                     LT     6
LRM 20 Ammo                     LT     6

Equipment                      Loc
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Artemis IV FCS                  RT
Artemis IV FCS                  LT
MASC                            LT

Carrying Capacity:  One battle armor squad



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Lykophos Mk.II A
Clan Assault Omnimech
80 tons 
BV: 2,924
Cost: 25,496,250 C-bills

Pod space available: 38 tons

Movement: 4/6(/4
Engine: 320 XL
Heat Sinks: 16 [32]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 232/247
                     Internal    Armor
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Center Torso               25       37
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                17       27
Right Torso (rear)                   7
Left Torso                 17       27
Left Torso (rear)                    7
Right Arm                  13       24
Left Arm                   13       24
Right Leg                  17       30
Left Leg                   17       30

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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Large Pulse Laser               RA    10
Large Pulse Laser               LA    10
Streak SRM 6                    RT     4
Streak SRM 6                    RT     4
Streak SRM 6                    LT     4
Streak SRM 6                    LT     4
Small Pulse Laser               CT     2
Small Pulse Laser               CT     2

Ammo                           Loc Shots
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Streak SRM 6 Ammo               RT    15
Streak SRM 6 Ammo               RT    15
Streak SRM 6 Ammo               LT    15
Streak SRM 6 Ammo               LT    15

Equipment                      Loc
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MASC                            LT

Carrying Capacity:  One battle armor squad



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Lykophos Mk.II B
Clan Assault Omnimech
80 tons 
BV: 3,217
Cost: 27,017,250 C-bills

Pod space available: 38 tons

Movement: 4/6(
Engine: 320 XL
Heat Sinks: 16 [32]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 232/247
                     Internal    Armor
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Center Torso               25       37
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                17       27
Right Torso (rear)                   7
Left Torso                 17       27
Left Torso (rear)                    7
Right Arm                  13       24
Left Arm                   13       24
Right Leg                  17       30
Left Leg                   17       30

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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LRM 20                          RT     6
LRM 20                          LT     6
LRM 15                          RA     5
LRM 15                          LA     5
ER Medium Laser                 RA     5
ER Medium Laser                 RA     5
ER Medium Laser                 LA     5
ER Medium Laser                 LA     5

Ammo                           Loc Shots
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LRM 20 Ammo                     RT     6
LRM 20 Ammo                     RT     6
LRM 20 Ammo                     LT     6
LRM 20 Ammo                     LT     6
LRM 15 Ammo                     RA     8
LRM 15 Ammo                     RA     8
LRM 15 Ammo                     LA     8
LRM 15 Ammo                     LA     8

Equipment                      Loc
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Artemis IV FCS                  RT
Artemis IV FCS                  LT
Artemis IV FCS                  RA
Artemis IV FCS                  LA
ECM Suite [Clan]                RT
MASC                            LT

Carrying Capacity:  One battle armor squad



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Lykophos Mk.II C
Clan Assault Omnimech
80 tons 
BV: 3,120
Cost: 25,608,750 C-bills

Pod space available: 38 tons

Movement: 4/6(
Engine: 320 XL
Heat Sinks: 16 [32]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 232/247
                     Internal    Armor
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Center Torso               25       37
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                17       27
Right Torso (rear)                   7
Left Torso                 17       27
Left Torso (rear)                    7
Right Arm                  13       24
Left Arm                   13       24
Right Leg                  17       30
Left Leg                   17       30

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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ER PPC                          RA    15
ER Medium Laser                 RA     5
ER Medium Laser                 RA     5
Gauss Rifle                     LA     1
LRM 20                          RT     6
Streak SRM 6                    LT     4

Ammo                           Loc Shots
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Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan]         LA     8
Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan]         LT     8
LRM 20 Ammo                     RT     6
LRM 20 Ammo                     RT     6
Streak SRM 6 Ammo               LT    15

Equipment                      Loc
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Artemis IV FCS                  RT
MASC                            LT

Carrying Capacity:  One battle armor squad



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Lykophos Mk.II D
Clan Assault Omnimech
80 tons 
BV: 2,728
Cost: 26,140,875 C-bills

Pod space available: 38 tons

Movement: 4/6(/4
Engine: 320 XL
Heat Sinks: 12 [24]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 232/247
                     Internal    Armor
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Center Torso               25       37
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                17       27
Right Torso (rear)                   7
Left Torso                 17       27
Left Torso (rear)                    7
Right Arm                  13       24
Left Arm                   13       24
Right Leg                  17       30
Left Leg                   17       30

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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LRM 15                          RT     5
LRM 15                          LT     5
LB 5-X AC                       LA     1
LB 5-X AC                       RA     1
ER Medium Laser                 LA     5
ER Medium Laser                 RA     5
ER Small Laser                  CT     2
ER Small Laser                  CT     2

Ammo                           Loc Shots
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LRM 15 Ammo                     RT     8
LRM 15 Ammo                     RT     8
LRM 15 Ammo                     LT     8
LRM 15 Ammo                     LT     8
LB 5-X AC Ammo                  RA    20
LB 5-X AC Ammo                  RA    20
LB 5-X AC Ammo                  LA    20
LB 5-X AC Ammo                  LA    20

Equipment                      Loc
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Artemis IV FCS                  RT
Artemis IV FCS                  LT
MASC                            LT

Carrying Capacity:  One battle armor squad



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Lykophos Mk.II E
Clan Assault Omnimech
80 tons 
BV: 3,231
Cost: 26,459,250 C-bills

Pod space available: 38 tons

Movement: 4/6(
Engine: 320 XL
Heat Sinks: 18 [36]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122 (Endo-Steel)
Armor: 232/247
                     Internal    Armor
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Center Torso               25       37
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                17       27
Right Torso (rear)                   7
Left Torso                 17       27
Left Torso (rear)                    7
Right Arm                  13       24
Left Arm                   13       24
Right Leg                  17       30
Left Leg                   17       30

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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ATM 12                          RT     8
ATM 12                          LT     8
ER PPC                          RA    15
ER PPC                          LA    15

Ammo                           Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
ATM/12 Ammo                     RT     5
ATM/12 Ammo                     RT     5
ATM/12 Ammo                     RT     5
ATM/12 Ammo                     RT     5
ATM/12 Ammo                     LT     5
ATM/12 Ammo                     LT     5

Equipment                      Loc
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MASC                            LT

Carrying Capacity:  One battle armor squad



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Lykophos Mk.II H (Heavy Laser config)
Clan advanced Assault Omnimech
80 tons

Pod space available: 38 tons

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Lykophos Mk.II U (Underwater config)
Clan advanced Assault Omnimech
80 tons

Pod space available: 38 tons

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[Firesprocket]

Speedbump's assumption on what I meant is correct.  I am somewhat sleep deprived today and am articulating even worse than usual.

[Black_Knyght]

Yeah, it's all good now. Good catch too, btw.

Based on the changes in tonnage from incorporating to increased number of embedded HS I either corrected or revised each of the various configurations

[Isokrates]

Love the name. Where did you get it?

[Firesprocket]

Love the name. Where did you get it?

...I wanted to try my hand at reworking the old MFUK Lykophos....

[Black_Knyght]

Whoever originally designed it from the MFUK group named it the Lykophos (which translates roughly from Greek λυκοφως (lykophos) "twilight" or λυκαυγές (lykauges) "morning twilight, dawn", derived from λυκος (lykos) "wolf" and αυγη (auge) "dawn, daylight". ), I just reused it sort of...

[Isokrates]

Whoever originally designed it from the MFUK group named it the Lykophos (which translates roughly from Greek into Shadow Wolf), I just reused it sort of...

Its translation is "twilight", not shadow wolf.
Just found the name choice interesting.

[Black_Knyght]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Hence the changes I made  :P

 Twilight Wolf is it's very rough translation, but makes for a cool name all the same.

[Black_Knyght]

With regards to the Lykophos Mk.II itself, anyone care to take a crack at a heavy laser configuration, or an underwater one?