understanding Jagermech variations

[tsmpaul]

I'm making some forces and I was curious about the different types of Jagermechs.

- The JM6 variants are the regular Jagermech.
- But the JM6-D3 is the Jagermech III which has a different looking model.
- But the JM7 variants say Jagermech again, but the chassis weighs 5 tons heavier than the normal JM6 Jagermech and the Jagermech III?

Is the JM7 a type of Jagermech III, or is it a new type yet again? Which model would you use to represent it? Would you call the JM7 a Jagermech IV?

If I search at Ironwind for Jagermech, it only shows the standard and III types, not the JM7 types.

And which variants would be considered a Jagermech II?

[SteelRaven]

The JM7 is the closes you will get to the Jagermech II as it predates the Jager III by a year. I believe it was fist introduced in MechCommander along with the heavier Centurion 10B, the extra 5 tones simply made it a more effective mechs and helped flushed out the roster.

[Colt Ward]

Yes, both were table top conversions of some MechCommander options . . . the JM7-D is the MC version, the -F was made at the time to show off the 'new' RAC weapons.

I personally really really like the CN10-B and think that is how the mech should have gone for 3050 since you can pretty much do that on the 50t chassis.  Meanwhile the JM7-D is a very solid Jager and I prefer it to the III.

[worktroll]

You can use a 65-ton JagerMech mini as the 70-ton model.

And I'd suggest avoiding the JagerMech III mini altogether. It's a horrid, oversized lump. OTOH, the arms and legs from the JagerMech III (available from IWM) matched to the torso of a plastic JagerMech (from the old or new intro boxes) is a great thing, and easily fits as the 70-ton JM version.

And yes, the 70-tonner should have been called the JagerMech II, but that's not canon. See also Enforcer III - no Enforcer II, although the 5/8/5 mover arguably could claim that name.

W.

[tsmpaul]

Ah! Thanks for the clarifications. I quite like the idea that some of the designs were inspired by MechCommander - it's still one of my favourite computer games.

I like the idea of attaching the arms and legs from the III to the old torso, to make it look heavier for the 70 ton version, I'll have a think about that.

[Luciora]

We totally need a ruling on that,  the MC Jager and 5/8/5 Enforcers as the II versions.

You can use a 65-ton JagerMech mini as the 70-ton model.

And I'd suggest avoiding the JagerMech III mini altogether. It's a horrid, oversized lump. OTOH, the arms and legs from the JagerMech III (available from IWM) matched to the torso of a plastic JagerMech (from the old or new intro boxes) is a great thing, and easily fits as the 70-ton JM version.

And yes, the 70-tonner should have been called the JagerMech II, but that's not canon. See also Enforcer III - no Enforcer II, although the 5/8/5 mover arguably could claim that name.

W.

[(SMD)MadCow]

I honestly thoiught they were trying to make those as IIi for "II Inner Sphere", like IIC for "II Clan", but it ends up looking like and being indistinguishable from III.

[beachhead1985]

I honestly thoiught they were trying to make those as IIi for "II Inner Sphere", like IIC for "II Clan", but it ends up looking like and being indistinguishable from III.

That's very clever!

I wondered about the "III" thing myself when I got 3060. I thought; was the 3050 version the -II?

But I like the MC up-tons being the II-model better.

[Colt Ward]

I always understood the 3050 models to be the 2 . . .

Since the JM7-D comes out in 3060 same time as the Jag III not sure that works.  The other part is that the Enforcer III and Jagermech III were both commissioned as part of Victor's image rehab right after the split of the FedCom which would suggest a earlier lead time.  The JM7-D was in RS 3060 and HMP has a fluff bit about how it was a failure, low production and relegated to the militia.  JM7-F's HMP entry repeats the Jag III fluff but has it sourced as RS 3067 though no idea how wide spread it is in the AFFC/S.

Which sort of sucks, I do really like the D since I think it has decent weapons mix for the BV.

Trying to figure out which FCCW book starts with a Jager pilot trying to fight clear on . . . Tikinov?  Wonder which Jag he uses.