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truetanker

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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #30 on: 26 November 2017, 18:57:05 »
Yep.

Cannot make a call out because of the disturbing nuscance I'm making!

Looked up Super HPG in Jihad Hot Spots: 3076 for the idea.

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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #31 on: 26 November 2017, 22:30:46 »
Quote from: truetanker on 26 November 2017, 18:57:05
Yep.

Cannot make a call out because of the disturbing nuscance I'm making!

Looked up Super HPG in Jihad Hot Spots: 3076 for the idea.

TT

Ah

I thought you meant messing with the jump-detection sensors to spoof or jam them.
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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #32 on: 26 November 2017, 22:33:41 »
Don't think one can do that, unless....

Mini-jump? Like starting a jump but not finishing it?

Can Naval class ECM be used to " ghost " targets, like regular ECM?

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(EDIT): And yes you can!

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Ghost Targets and most naval special gear is in TacOps. But more advanced naval rules are in Strategic Ops

Thanks Herb!
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That is, if true tanker doesn't beat me to it. He makes truly evil units. ~ Col.Hengist on 31 May 2013
TT, we know you are the master of nasty  O0 ~ Fletch on 22 June 2013
If I'm attacking you, conventional wisom says to bring 3x your force.  I want extra insurance, so I'll bring 4 for every 1 of what you have :D ~ Tai Dai Cultist on 21 April 2016
Me: Would you rather fight my Epithymía Thanátou from the Whispers of Blake?
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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #33 on: 10 December 2017, 18:13:41 »
Yay!

Now what is the opinion on Naval C3 Networks? Would that have the potential for a game-changing advantage vs a very large warship?
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These, in the day when heaven was falling,      Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
The hour when earth's foundations fled,         They stood, and earth's foundations stay;
Followed their mercenary calling,               What God abandoned, these defended,
And took their wages, and are dead.             And saved the sum of things for pay.
     
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truetanker

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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #34 on: 10 December 2017, 18:43:48 »
There should be Naval C3i, Naval Nova CEWS as well...

Oh well.

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That is, if true tanker doesn't beat me to it. He makes truly evil units. ~ Col.Hengist on 31 May 2013
TT, we know you are the master of nasty  O0 ~ Fletch on 22 June 2013
If I'm attacking you, conventional wisom says to bring 3x your force.  I want extra insurance, so I'll bring 4 for every 1 of what you have :D ~ Tai Dai Cultist on 21 April 2016
Me: Would you rather fight my Epithymía Thanátou from the Whispers of Blake?
Nav_Alpha: That THING... that is horrid ~ Nav_Alpha on 10 October 2016

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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #35 on: 11 December 2017, 20:00:28 »
It effectively is C3i. The nature of the environment makes the bonuses work differently for different weapon classes.
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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #36 on: 15 December 2017, 14:24:45 »
Quote from: Jellico on 11 December 2017, 20:00:28
It effectively is C3i. The nature of the environment makes the bonuses work differently for different weapon classes.

Worth it?
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These, in the day when heaven was falling,      Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
The hour when earth's foundations fled,         They stood, and earth's foundations stay;
Followed their mercenary calling,               What God abandoned, these defended,
And took their wages, and are dead.             And saved the sum of things for pay.
     
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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #37 on: 15 December 2017, 15:34:47 »
Maaayyyybe. On big big ships it cuts into your throw weight a lot. It is based on weapon tonnage so big guns means a big computer.
I like it on DropShips. More managable mass. No bracketing for conventional weapons so the accuracy bonuses are very welcome because they make long range fire practical.
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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #38 on: 19 December 2017, 08:20:48 »
Quote from: Jellico on 15 December 2017, 15:34:47
Maaayyyybe. On big big ships it cuts into your throw weight a lot. It is based on weapon tonnage so big guns means a big computer.
I like it on DropShips. More managable mass. No bracketing for conventional weapons so the accuracy bonuses are very welcome because they make long range fire practical.

Oh wow; I was reading the rules as the tonnage being calculated as a % of mass of the ship.
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These, in the day when heaven was falling,      Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
The hour when earth's foundations fled,         They stood, and earth's foundations stay;
Followed their mercenary calling,               What God abandoned, these defended,
And took their wages, and are dead.             And saved the sum of things for pay.
     
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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #39 on: 20 December 2017, 00:06:22 »
1% of vessel mass plus double the fire control.

Big ships done to modern standards have lots of fire control.
DropShips struggle to mount enough weapons, especially sub caps, to need fire control.

So you can see how the costs ramp up quickly with size.
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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #40 on: 21 December 2017, 22:14:14 »
Quote from: Jellico on 20 December 2017, 00:06:22
1% of vessel mass plus double the fire control.

Big ships done to modern standards have lots of fire control.
DropShips struggle to mount enough weapons, especially sub caps, to need fire control.

So you can see how the costs ramp up quickly with size.

Okay, this is more in line with what I thought it was.
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These, in the day when heaven was falling,      Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
The hour when earth's foundations fled,         They stood, and earth's foundations stay;
Followed their mercenary calling,               What God abandoned, these defended,
And took their wages, and are dead.             And saved the sum of things for pay.
     
A.E. Housman

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Re: Hunting Leviathans
« Reply #41 on: 08 January 2018, 23:08:37 »
Quote from: Jellico on 10 October 2017, 04:41:22
I am imagining Scrooge McDuck in an ocean sized money bin.

And note that in canon?  This is precisely what happeend to some ships--The operating states simply could no longer afford the cost of operating the ship, or, given how unsuccessful attempts were to bring them back into service to face the clans, even effectively mothball them. 

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