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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #60 on: 01 August 2017, 11:58:17 »


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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #61 on: 01 August 2017, 12:21:15 »
Here's one that will hurt the eyes



I can't tell what this plane is (a Hunter?), but it looks cool



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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #62 on: 01 August 2017, 13:48:15 »
I can't tell what this plane is (a Hunter?), but it looks cool


It is a Hunter. I've had the pleasure of seeing that particular aircraft I thnk, in several different schemes at a number of shows at the National Aviation Museum in Scotland. That is probably the most eycatching colours I've seen it wear.

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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #63 on: 01 August 2017, 13:52:45 »
Hunters are always lovely. Second-nicest looking plane of their era. (Sorry, but... J35 Draken. Fight me, bruh.)
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #64 on: 01 August 2017, 14:22:44 »

According to wiki, that is "Miss Demeanour", a privately-owned Hawker Hunter F.58A.

Hunters are always lovely. Second-nicest looking plane of their era. (Sorry, but... J35 Draken. Fight me, bruh.)
Draken has shock value in an era of rather boring-looking aircraft, but I'll raise you the English Electric Lightning... it's so ugly it's good!  ;D




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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #65 on: 01 August 2017, 14:59:59 »
I know what they were going for, but at that particular angle, it looks a whole lot like that Hind is painted up as a Platypus.

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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #66 on: 01 August 2017, 15:37:14 »
The EE Lightning - engines, a bit of fuel, stub wings and strap a pilot on somewhere. Job done.
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #67 on: 02 August 2017, 05:46:31 »
Let's try retro for a bit . . .







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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #68 on: 02 August 2017, 05:54:22 »
I think the JSDF do some of the best artwork:

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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #69 on: 02 August 2017, 17:18:03 »
And this Hind is incredible as well



Hind... or a Jade Falcon Lamprey?
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #70 on: 02 August 2017, 23:47:26 »
I like old warbirds... even those threatened by termites.



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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #71 on: 03 August 2017, 00:28:24 »
The Mosquito is a beautiful aircraft. It is amazing what they managed to build with a bit of plywood, canvas and dope (no not that type).
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #72 on: 03 August 2017, 07:25:37 »
It was so good the Germans tried to do something similar, even going so far as to copy the name: The Focke-Wulf Ta 154 Moskito.



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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #73 on: 03 August 2017, 18:25:13 »
For everything the Germans could do really well, wood glue was not one of them.
To be fair, while they had the Wuppertal factory, the glue was just fine.  Once that got plastered, they switched to a different blend that no one knew would turn highly acidic.  The Volksjäger was how they found out...a damn shame too; not all that bad an aircraft and much more modern in design than typical planes of the era (or for a while afterward).  And the early models carried the paired 30mm cannon, definitely giving someone off the nose a very bad day.
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #74 on: 03 August 2017, 19:28:45 »
And the early models carried the paired 30mm cannon, definitely giving someone off the nose a very bad day.

Unfortunately, they were the MK108 low-velocity cannon, not the higher velocity MK101 or MK103. My favourite comment on the MK108 was from a Luftwaffe pilot, who said it was "slightly better than a grenade launcher" - it's in Mano Ziegler's "Rocket Fighter" IIRC.
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #75 on: 03 August 2017, 21:03:36 »
That's a neat paint on that F16. Never knew they put in a classic paint job on a Falcon.
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #76 on: 03 August 2017, 21:41:26 »
Unfortunately, they were the MK108 low-velocity cannon, not the higher velocity MK101 or MK103. My favourite comment on the MK108 was from a Luftwaffe pilot, who said it was "slightly better than a grenade launcher" - it's in Mano Ziegler's "Rocket Fighter" IIRC.

In addition to it's low velocity, it also had a slow rate of fire. On the Komet, low rate of fire combined with the plane's high speed resulted in a lot of "First round misses behind B-17, second round misses in front of B-17".

One of many reasons the Komet scored only 16 kills.
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #77 on: 03 August 2017, 21:48:47 »
And even so, according to the Air Vectors website (a great place to lose hours), the He 162 was too lightly built to support the recoil even from the MK108 ...
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #78 on: 04 August 2017, 09:58:30 »
They knew those issues and didn't try for quad 20mm or such as a stop cap measure?
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #79 on: 04 August 2017, 10:58:13 »
They knew those issues and didn't try for quad 20mm or such as a stop cap measure?

The prevailing theory in the Luftwaffe by that point was that 30mm = insta-kill on a bomber. A brief burst of fire, maybe two or three rounds per barrel, and you could blow a B-24 apart- then move on to the next one. So, 30mm was the caliber preferred for planes intended to go bomber-hunting. That it had the muzzle velocity of a squirrel throwing an acorn was unfortunate, but how hard can it be to hit a huge bomber flying slowly in a straight line? (Answer: Not nearly as easy as it seemed, apparently)

A far more useful idea, as it turned out- at least in theory- was the BK 5 mounted in a few Me-262s, a 50mm cannon (it saw service on a few other types as well here and there). It had a few drawbacks- low ammo carriage (21 shots), jam-prone, and with a ferocious muzzle flash that tended to blind pilots if fired at night. But, a hit to even the toughest bomber would blow it apart, and with good accuracy and range it was a surprisingly effective tool.

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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #80 on: 04 August 2017, 11:57:59 »
Here's one that will hurt the eyes


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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #81 on: 04 August 2017, 13:35:23 »

does that pic scream "Mechbuster" to anyone else?

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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #82 on: 04 August 2017, 15:36:11 »
Is that the 50mm cannon on a 262?
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #83 on: 04 August 2017, 18:17:02 »
Hunters are always lovely. Second-nicest looking plane of their era. (Sorry, but... J35 Draken. Fight me, bruh.)

Draken is a striking looking aircraft, thats for sure - and the whole short landing roll thing is startling when you see it in action. (Especially when the pilot decides he's just going to then back up because the nearest taxiway is behind him. :-) )

Hunters have a certain grace though, they seem "relaxed" in the air somehow. But I think my favourite older jet aircraft will remain the F-4 Phantom though - specifically the ex-RN ones that the RAF operated. When you grow up with the howl of those engines around most days it leaves an impression.

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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #84 on: 04 August 2017, 19:54:58 »
I think it's a 37 Viggen if it backed up, AFAIK the J35 never had a thrust reverser.

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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #85 on: 06 August 2017, 08:58:35 »
Is that the 50mm cannon on a 262?

That's... yeah, did you read my post?  :-\
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #86 on: 06 August 2017, 09:56:13 »
That's... yeah, did you read my post?  :-\

Sorry. I guess I should of read.
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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #87 on: 14 August 2017, 07:27:55 »
And in other news, the Brits have launched an externally loaded Lightning from a 'ski jump' for first time:

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« Reply #88 on: 14 August 2017, 07:54:47 »
Lame. It's been done before.

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Re: Aviation Pictures Part Trois
« Reply #89 on: 14 August 2017, 09:06:07 »
Damn, just when I thought I'd completely blocked that piece of shit of a movie from my memory you had to go and bring it back.   >:(
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