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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #720 on: 11 November 2017, 22:27:25 »
Two points: first, the old Goblin's nomenclature is as a medium tank, meaning it would appear in armor formations rather than as an infantry fighting vehicle (being the nomenclature for the upgraded version that appeared in 3053).  Second, the first quote from the 20th Marik Militia specifies modern IFVs.  The original Goblin is of First Star League vintage which certainly doesn't make it modern.

Edit: Also note that the flow of arms wasn't one-way out of the Free Worlds.  FedSuns-produced vehicles like the Yellow Jacket, as an example, are available to the FWL; the League also shipped arms to the Combine, yet the FWLM includes Combine-produced tanks like the Pegasus and Maxim as well as the the full range of first-generation OmniMechs (the Firestarter and Blackjack actually being licensed to FWL manufacturers).
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #721 on: 12 November 2017, 17:14:51 »
Demolisher ii heavy tank (standard) should be 1619 bv, not 1397.

NCKestrel: Corrected, thanks
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #722 on: 12 November 2017, 19:00:25 »
Demolisher ii heavy tank (standard) should be 1619 bv, not 1397.

It appears the Demolisher II (MML)'s BV is 1397. Copy/Paste error?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #723 on: 14 November 2017, 09:35:52 »
MARSDEN I MAIN BATTLE TANK
Issue: Missing
Details: This was published in Era Digest : Age of War. It has not been published on the MUL as of yet.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #725 on: 14 November 2017, 11:15:02 »
This one? http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4602/marsden-mbt-i

Its a primitive so it's classified as a support vee
Shouldn't it populate anyways?
For some reason when you go to enter name, only the Marsden II MBT and Marsden III MBT only populate.  That's not good...unless it suppose do that.

I've noticed that in the past.
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« Reply #726 on: 14 November 2017, 11:25:45 »
Ah, I see what you're saying. It gives a generic "Marsden MBT" for all versions, but the marsden I doesn't get its own. Strange.

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« Reply #727 on: 14 November 2017, 13:02:01 »
Names in the MUL are actually split by name and model.  Warhammer is name, WHM-6R is model.  The search field autopopulates on name only, not model.
The Marsden MBT I has a name of Marsden MBT, and a Model of I.  The Marsden MBT (Standard) has a name of Marsden MBT, and a model of (Standard). 
The Other Models list on a unit also goes by name.  Thus all the Marsden MBT's show as Other Models to one another, because they all have the same name (Marsden MBT), just different models.
The reason Marsden MBT II is showing up, is because there is a a date entry...inconsistency. The primitive Marsden II is listed as Marsden II MBT II (Primitive), while the other Marsden IIs are listed as Marsden MBT II. So that needs to be cleaned up. And the same with the III.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #728 on: 21 November 2017, 14:21:46 »
Triton-class Missile Submarine (Standard)
Issue: Missing Variant
Comment: The variant is from TRO:VA (Revised), p. 231  - The Piranha variant of the Triton Class Missile Submarine. There nothing posted on MUL regarding it.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #729 on: 22 November 2017, 14:57:24 »

Lee (2756)
Issues: Missing Variants, availability is incorrect, and Role missing
Comment: The variant is from Liberation of Terra V2 (Revised), p. 148-149 - Fluff explains there are 3 variants, CV (aerospace carrier version), Combat Vehicle Transport, and Cargo Transport. None have entries on the MUL. I know it's lacking of record sheets, but they should have entries.  The Ship is suppose to be extinct beyond the Succession War era.  No notes have ever said the ship is back in production beyond that era.   There no role in the article, which is a Mech Carrier (main variant)
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #730 on: 27 November 2017, 00:32:18 »
Trident-3U
Issue:  Incorrect Speed - Listed as 8
Comment:  Shouldn't the speed of this version be 12?   The fluff mentions switching from FAA to Standard but no reduction of 4MP.
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« Reply #731 on: 27 November 2017, 09:35:07 »
Trident-3U
Issue:  Incorrect Speed - Listed as 8
Comment:  Shouldn't the speed of this version be 12?   The fluff mentions switching from FAA to Standard but no reduction of 4MP.

RS3050U - Clan/Star League has a record sheet for the Trident 3U showing it with 8 safe thrust,  but it looks like that was an error. checking...Yep, errata was posted.   Thrust and Role updated.
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« Reply #732 on: 29 November 2017, 00:23:35 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6396/avalanche-avl-1o

Avalanche and it's configurations should only have 4 structure.  (50 ton mech, standard engine)

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« Reply #733 on: 01 December 2017, 22:14:31 »
I just read TRO Succession Wars and it stated the only model that ceased production was the -A variant. So the -K model should still have limited availability as the -H model was the dominant production model not sole.

bump - any opinion on modified availability for the -K?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #734 on: 07 December 2017, 22:37:10 »
Grigori C-GRG-OS Caelestis has CASEII according to the 3075 RS.  Updated.

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« Reply #735 on: 16 December 2017, 17:39:12 »
LRM Carrier (3055)
Issue:  IDF value includes Artemis?
Comment:  Shouldn't the IDF value only be 4?  (12 x 3 = 36)   The Artemis Bonus would only be included in the Direct Fire value, not IDF.


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« Reply #736 on: 16 December 2017, 17:42:33 »
LRM Carrier (Standard)
Issue:  Damage Value too low.
Comment:  Shouldn't the base Damage value be 4 at Medium/Long?   (12 x 3 = 36 /10 = 3.6 rounded to 4)

3041: General Lance Hawkins: The Equalizers
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« Reply #737 on: 16 December 2017, 17:49:09 »
Did you check the ammo? Needs 10 rounds+ per launcher.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #738 on: 16 December 2017, 18:55:21 »
Did you check the ammo? Needs 10 rounds+ per launcher.
Doh!
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #739 on: 16 December 2017, 21:49:54 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7145/voidseeker-mk-39-007-striker
The Voidseeker striker is listed as 14 points. I calculate that it should be 31 points
If I take the VoidSeeker Striker ship from the MUL; 3+4+4 for weapons=11, 8*1.5 for armor=12, 4 for structure =4; speed 6*0.25=1.5; ECM=2; Threshold 1*0.25=0.25 11+12+4+1.5+2=31
ASC pp. 142

[NCKestrel] Voidseeker Striker updated. Threshold should be 3 instead of 1, and the medium damage value counts twice, so the PV was higher.

Also
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7144/voidseeker-mk-39-004-interceptor
If I take the VoidSeeker Interceptor ship from the MUL; 4+4+1 for weapons=9, 7*1.5 for armor=10.5, 4 for structure =4; speed 7*0.25=1.75; PRB & RCN=4; Threshold 1*0.25=0.25 9+11+4+2+4=30

[NCKestrel] Voidseeker Interceptor updated. Threshold should be 3 instead of 1, and the medium damage value counts twice, so the PV was higher.
Thanks for pointing these out, definitely missed updating those PVs!
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #740 on: 29 December 2017, 22:11:28 »
Timber Wolf Pryde alpha strike Short and Medium damage values are incorrect.  Correct values are 4/4/4 not 6/6/4.

calc:
ER LL x 2 = 2/2/2 & 24 heat
ER ML x 2 = 1.4/1.4/- & 10 heat
ER SL x 1 = .5/.5/- & 2 heat
LRM 20 x2 = 1.8/1.8/1.8 & 12 heat

Total damage 5.7/5.7/3.8
Total Heat Short = 52 (48 weapon + 4 move)
Total heat Medium = 52 (48 weapon + 4 move)
Total heat Long = 28 (24 weapon + 4 move)
Heat Dissipation = 32
Heat Modified Damage
Short: (5.7 × 32) ÷ (52 – 4) = 3.8 (round up to 4)
Medium: (5.7 × 32) ÷ (52 – 4) = 3.8 (round up to 4)
Long = 4 as total heat is less than dissipation at long range

[NCKestrel] Fixed. Thanks.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #741 on: 11 January 2018, 14:01:22 »
The FS & IS General in the Jihad timeframe does not have the IS Standard BA, GDL Scout, Clan Medium 'Rabid' available to them according to the MUL while FM3085 lists the BA in the RAT respectively at the #3, #5 and #18 positions per p218 of the PDF.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #742 on: 11 January 2018, 18:14:09 »
Why does the Strider B get LRM1/1/1 when it has damage values 1/2/2? It’s entire armament is 2 LRM10s. Shouldn’t the damage and special values match?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #743 on: 11 January 2018, 18:41:22 »
Damage values round but where values for specials do not round.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #744 on: 11 January 2018, 19:02:30 »
Standard damage values round up. Special abilities round normal. So a 1.2 (two LRM-10s) would be 2 for standard M/L but a 1 for LRM.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #745 on: 11 January 2018, 20:11:20 »
The FS & IS General in the Jihad timeframe does not have the IS Standard BA, GDL Scout, Clan Medium 'Rabid' available to them according to the MUL while FM3085 lists the BA in the RAT respectively at the #3, #5 and #18 positions per p218 of the PDF.

We would have to look at them but I suspect the field manual is incorrect. With that said, 3085 is the tail end of the Jihad era.

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« Reply #746 on: 11 January 2018, 20:20:22 »
For comparison . . .

IS Std BA is 3/5 on DC, 3/5/7 on CC, 7 on FWL, 4 on LC, 5/12 on merc and 7 on Republic
GDL Scout is 5 on LC, 7 on Merc, not on DC, CC, FWL or Republic
Rabid is 17 on DC, 21 on Republic and not on others

Since there is not a IS General RAT its hard IMO to say what that component would be for the MUL.  I am not saying they are widely available, but the MUL has the Fire Moth available to the FS or IS General for that period as well.
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