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BattleTech Game Systems => General BattleTech Discussion => Topic started by: Cyc on 24 July 2015, 10:30:20
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That Warhammer... and the new direction on the Unseen :)
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You guys have really knocked it out of the park this time. Well done and thanks for all your hard work :)
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That Warhammer. I must have. Please tell me secret deals were worked with IWM to make these available now!
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OH GOD MY WALLET! :'(
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ilClan
The ilClan is a campaign-driven overview of the universe-spanning conflict that will see the fall of The Republic of the Sphere and the final conclusion of the Dark Age era. The founding of the ilClan heralds the start of a new age for the BattleTech universe—one that will forever transform the Inner Sphere and Clans alike!
That...that wasn't there before, was it?
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Is that a jumping Shadow Hawk in the background? Firing the AC, with an LRM5 showing.
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I'm in love [drool]
I will soon go broke buying new unseens!
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I felt a great disturbance in the Force. . . as if a million wallets suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.
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That...that wasn't there before, was it?
Nope.
Is your avatar the RotS symbol? If so, i'm sorry for your loss. Rip in peace :D
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and CGL broke internet :))
Seriously ppl you have outdone yourself, just thank you very much for all this love with BT
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That Warhammer... and the new direction on the Unseen :)
I'm looking at the other three mechs, too. The Maddie, the Griffin and Shad.
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This is awesome.
Why do you make it so hard before GENCON to not spend money.
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Nope.
Is your avatar the RotS symbol? If so, i'm sorry for your loss. Rip in peace :D
The Republic of the Incipisphere will live on!
Seriously, though, I was a Comstar fan. I'll either latch onto whatever comes next, or just go back to the Falcons. It's happened before.
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*joypukes just everywhere*
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The Republic of the Incipisphere will live on!
Seriously, though, I was a Comstar fan. I'll either latch onto whatever comes next, or just go back to the Falcons. It's happened before.
It is not like the old eras vanish. I recall someone saying he had already lost two out of three of his favorite factions (Smoke Jaguars and WoB) and was fearing for the Dark Age Falcons....
Ah, can't wait for any of these new things.
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Yeah, at the same time no one likes to be left behind...
Stone does NOT approve!
Well, that's what I get for baking a lame horse.
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Yeah, at the same time no one likes to be left behind...
Stone does NOT approve!
Well, that's what I get for baking a lame horse.
Um.
Typo?
I hope that's a typo.
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What? Never heard of horse pie? It's de-lish!
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What else are you going to do with a lame horse?
...dammit, who put all this joypuke everywhere?
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Um.
Typo?
I hopethat's a typo.
That horse was delicious
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That horse was delicious
So, as it turns out, times were getting REALLY tough for the RotS while the walls were up.
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Fantastic news!
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So, as it turns out, times were getting REALLY tough for the RotS while the walls were up.
No, it was a Tuesday.
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That Marauder is quite nice. Let's wait to see how it looks like from the front.
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New Unseens art and miniatures!
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There goes the down payment on my house. Thanks, jerks. ;)
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No, it was a Tuesday.
Thoroughbred Taco Tuesday, then?
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O0 [notworthy] [rockon] :Jumpy: {>{>
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New Unseens art and miniatures!
I don't believe you can call them that now. Try.... Classics... that might work.
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I love that, Classics
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ilClan
The ilClan is a campaign-driven overview of the universe-spanning conflict that will see the fall of The Republic of the Sphere and the final conclusion of the Dark Age era. The founding of the ilClan heralds the start of a new age for the BattleTech universe—one that will forever transform the Inner Sphere and Clans alike!
This may explain the combined Federated Suns / Republic of the Sphere paint scheme on that Templar III. Could we see the RotS merge with the Federated Suns!?
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I have a question. The first novel is at the printers. When will the pdf be available for those of us who cant wait? lol
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This may explain the combined Federated Suns / Republic of the Sphere paint scheme on that Templar III. Could we see the RotS merge with the Federated Suns!?
The Federated Suns as the Republic of the Sphere-in-Exile could be neat.
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The Federated Suns as the Republic of the Sphere-in-Exile could be neat.
That may also give Julian Davion and the AFFS that extra bit of breathing room to repel the DCMS and CCAF, especially if everyone is fighting over the remnants of the RotS.
So much for my dream of a new Terran Hegemony!
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That may also give Julian Davion and the AFFS that extra bit of breathing room to repel the DCMS and CCAF, especially if everyone is fighting over the remnants of the RotS.
So much for my dream of a new Terran Hegemony!
I'm sure the ilClan will keep Terra warm for you. ;)
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Is that... Is that... the Black Widow's Warhammer?!?!
Is that... Is that... the sound of my wallet crying?!?!
:D
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Is that... Is that... the Black Widow's Warhammer?!?!
YES IT IS.
Is that... Is that... the sound of my wallet crying?!?!
:D
I DON'T KNOW BUT THAT WOULD BE WEIRD.
;D
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So exciting, guys. Thank you!
I felt a great disturbance in the Force. . . as if a million wallets suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.
;D so true!
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So who wants to see an new XTRO with all the classics in it. O0
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If I weren't at work right now I'd be dancing. I may start anyway.
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So who wants to see an new XTRO with all the classics in it. O0
What? Like maybe some of the Succession Wars XTROs?
>:D
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To all the employees of Catalyst, THANK YOU! Very well done! I look forward to giving you more of my money!
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So who wants to see an new XTRO with all the classics in it. O0
It'd hardly be an "Experimental" Technical Readout.
Oh ***** me, each Combat Manual is going to have a "mini Tech Readout" in it...
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Is that... Is that... the sound of my wallet crying?!?!
Tears of manly joy, my friend. Manly joy. [cheers]
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I felt the ground shake and for once it was not due to injections wells!
Also, #ThoroughbredTacoTuesday sounds great.
Thanks to everyone behind the scenes for all the effort.
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It'd hardly be an "Experimental" Technical Readout.
Oh ***** me, each Combat Manual is going to have a "mini Tech Readout" in it...
Yeah, I saw that right off. I immediately felt a tingle in my extremities, because I'm an addict for variants.
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I will say it again I wonder what 22 mechs will be in the rumored Alpha Strike box set and will it be at GenCon for sale?
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Yeah, I saw that right off. I immediately felt a tingle in my extremities, because I'm an addict for variants.
There's a part of me that feels like a sucker for collecting up all (well, most) of the old FASA books. This is the Golden Age of BattleTech.
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Oh ***** me, each Combat Manual is going to have a "mini Tech Readout" in it...
;)
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;)
YOU'RE DOING IT TO ME AGAIN! O0
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I felt a great disturbance in the Internet, as if millions of wallets suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something amazing has happened.
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I felt a great disturbance in the Internet, as if millions of wallets suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something amazing has happened.
I beat you to that one:
I felt a great disturbance in the Force. . . as if a million wallets suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.
Still, you've got a lot of spirit. ::)
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Now, now, Eagle...Longstar joined the forum to make that comment. O0
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dark helmet voice- LONnnnnnneestarr!!!
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Now, now, Eagle...Longstar joined the forum to make that comment. O0
I didn't even see that. Now I feel bad. Thanks, Bosch.
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i had plans to be productive today
then i saw the Universal Technology Advancement Table.
RIP plans
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I don't feel the cries of wallets people.
I feel the cries of joy within a lot of us.
By the Dice Gods we're finally breaking free from oh so many of those past problems we had.
It looks like we're finally stretching after a long nap in some respective areas and ready to kick some butt.
If there were ever a Renaissance time for our game, we might just be looking at the dawn of it.
I'm sorry if this sounds over the top, but I'm just so happy!
So happy....
that I can probably shut down the numerous "oh what is CGL going to do?" threads that kept popping up these last few weeks!
LIBERATION IS AT HAND! :D [notworthy]
Seriously though I'm excited.
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Oh man... I just realized that this means that all of the Alpha Strike cards for the Not-Unseen-Anymore are going to get shiny new artwork.
I'm going to have to download those all over again.
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Atlas, I was wondering how long it was going to take for someone to use that new Whammy art for their avatar. . .
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Is that... Is that... the sound of my wallet crying?!?!
:D
No, I think that's the Wombat in your wallet doing the crying....Right before he steals your wallet and pants...... ;) ;)
Craig
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I'm sure the ilClan will keep Terra warm for you. ;)
Well there's no reason to think the RAF won't curbstomp the Wolves and Falcons and the Republic rebrand itself for Clan audiences as the ilClan with Stone as the ilKhan. (basically, just like Alaric is currently the "Archon" with regards to his IS subjects on occupied Lyran worlds)
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Atlas, I was wondering how long it was going to take for someone to use that new Whammy art for their avatar. . .
It feels so nniiiiicccceeeeeee. >:D
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It feels so nniiiiicccceeeeeee. >:D
Looks good on you. Looks right.
Well there's no reason to think the RAF won't curbstomp the Wolves and Falcons and the Republic rebrand itself for Clan audiences as the ilClan with Stone as the ilKhan. (basically, just like Alaric is currently the "Archon" with regards to his IS subjects on occupied Lyran worlds)
Well, aside from the blurb for IlClan mentioning the fall of the Republic...
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Atlas, I was wondering how long it was going to take for someone to use that new Whammy art for their avatar. . .
I'm waiting for new Shadow Hawk art myself.
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Well, aside from the blurb for IlClan mentioning the fall of the Republic...
Touche. Stone wouldn't just be rebranding the Republic, he'd be reforming it into his ilClan. Not just a PR thing.
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ilClan <3
IrregularTech <3
Shimmyseens <3
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I'm waiting for new Shadow Hawk art myself.
Wolverine, for me. WVR-6M is my go-to trooper in the pre-Clan era.
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I decided not to wait.
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Touche. Stone wouldn't just be rebranding the Republic, he'd be reforming it into his ilClan. Not just a PR thing.
I doubt that the Clans would be terribly accepting of someone rebranding themselves into a Clan.
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I doubt that the Clans would be terribly accepting of someone rebranding themselves into a Clan.
That's the way the Clans operate, though. Anyone who can twist their arm and get them to squeal "You're the ilCLan!" IS the ilClan.
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I....I....have I died?
Literally can't think straight right now. 'Reimagining the classics' has me so incredibly pumped right now. I'm thinking a 3rd Edition Box set with classic mini redesigns for a more modern look? This would be an enormous boon for the Battletech brand!
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That's the way the Clans operate, though. Anyone who can twist their arm and get them to squeal "You're the ilCLan!" IS the ilClan.
eh... not untrue...
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plus it makes the grognards happy
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So am I the only one who has yet to find the tables for the new RISC gear I read the write ups but no technical data. Also seriously need a new marauder mini so I can teach my son btech.
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I'm waiting for new Shadow Hawk art myself.
Like the one in the image we've been drooling over? :)
I decided not to wait.
Ah, what the heck. 'Tis the season of MADmas! O0
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Now, now, Eagle...Longstar joined the forum to make that comment. O0
lol. Not really. I've been lurking as a member for years, just never posted before.
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I'm thinking a 3rd Edition Box set with classic mini redesigns for a more modern look?
Alpha Strike Box Set.
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Nice job Catalyst!!! Thank you for all the good stuff today and the future.
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Alpha Strike Box Set.
Throwing my wallet at the screen
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So am I the only one who has yet to find the tables for the new RISC gear I read the write ups but no technical data. Also seriously need a new marauder mini so I can teach my son btech.
Yeah, I'm just as confused as to what RISC does. And why do you need a Marauder mini for that?
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Alpha Strike Box Set.
Just take my money now!
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Alpha Strike Box Set.
C'mon guys!! I can't take no more! ;)
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Ah, what the heck. 'Tis the season of MADmas! O0
MADs of a feather...kill together!
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Alpha Strike Box Set.
Is this another announcement? :)
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I decided not to wait.
*M Bison YES yell*
Embrace your Classic love!
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Yeah, I'm just as confused as to what RISC does. And why do you need a Marauder mini for that?
It was the first mini that I had and was sadly lost in a move years ago.
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Interesting to see that rendering of the Warhammer . . . then consider some of the Mini discussion about how you could morph a primitive TBolt or maybe a Lament torso into a new unseen like Warhammer.
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Like the one in the image we've been drooling over? :)
It's obscured by the blast and not well defined, almost blurry.
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Alpha Strike Box Set.
Oh my gawd man. Just...my money...take it. I'm still trying to brain after all these announcements.
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There goes the down payment on my house. Thanks, jerks. ;)
I already dropped 3kg on the "Battletech diet". TRO3150+IO > food. That's one way to reduce caloric intake; I'm gonna get some sick abs! O0
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Only 10$ for IO? Thank you CGL O0
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Important question!
BattleTech Combat Manual: Mercenaries contains information on the soldier-for-hire trade and their place in the Inner Sphere. This manual takes a look at some of the most renowned mercenaries of the 31st century, detailing their histories, tactics, unit crests, paint schemes, and notable personnel. This Alpha Strike expansion includes special rules for unique character abilities, faction-specific rules, force-building, and a mini Technical Readout—everything you need to field your favorite mercenary command on the tabletop or create your own.
Does this means that the Combat Manuals series don't cover the Dark Age era?
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Since the classics are redone, i wonder what will this mean for the Unseen Clan IICs? Will they get new art as well?
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Oh my gawd man. Just...my money...take it. I'm still trying to brain after all these announcements.
It's seeing Natasha Kerensky's WHM-6R Warhammer on a cover again.
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Important question!
Does this means that the Combat Manuals series don't cover the Dark Age era?
Alpha Strike is set in the Clan Invasion era at present, mainly to attract new players (and old players that remember the late eighties and early nineties) via the visuals and story line.
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Alpha Strike is set in the Clan Invasion era at present, mainly to attract new players (and old players that remember the late eighties and early nineties) via the visuals and story line.
To add to this, alternate eras will be covered by a different line of books, the Alpha Strike Eras line mentioned in the main AS rulebook.
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Okay, long-time lurker / first time poster, but this seems like good timing.
The announcement of the Classics, is frankly, the best. Marauders and Warhammers are what I grew up with. I'm hyped beyond hype.
But I've got a question, and I hope we get an answer on this: What has changed, that CGL is now diving head-first into reimagining the Unseen/Classics? And not get dragged into Intellectual Property Legal Mess 2.0?
I want so badly to walk into a store and buy shiny new Classics. I don't think my heart and spirit can take having that vision of the future destroyed by legal wranglings.
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To add to this, alternate eras will be covered by a different line of books, the Alpha Strike Eras line mentioned in the main AS rulebook.
The Combat Manuals are/replace the Alpha Strike Era Supplementals mentioned in the first printing of the AS rulebook.
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Okay, long-time lurker / first time poster, but this seems like good timing.
The announcement of the Classics, is frankly, the best. Marauders and Warhammers are what I grew up with. I'm hyped beyond hype.
But I've got a question, and I hope we get an answer on this: What has changed, that CGL is now diving head-first into reimagining the Unseen/Classics? And not get dragged into Intellectual Property Legal Mess 2.0?
I want so badly to walk into a store and buy shiny new Classics. I don't think my heart and spirit can take having that vision of the future destroyed by legal wranglings.
This is a great question. How is Catalyst going to avoid 2009 all over again? I can't take another let down like that. I hope this has passed inspection from the powers that be before publishing and hyping. Because seeing those and the potential ramifications of a 'classic re-imagining' across the board have me HYPED all right.
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The Combat Manuals are/replace the Alpha Strike Era Supplementals mentioned in the first printing of the AS rulebook.
Okay. I need to update my PDF then, at least. :D
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But I've got a question, and I hope we get an answer on this: What has changed, that CGL is now diving head-first into reimagining the Unseen/Classics? And not get dragged into Intellectual Property Legal Mess 2.0?
I want so badly to walk into a store and buy shiny new Classics. I don't think my heart and spirit can take having that vision of the future destroyed by legal wranglings.
My guess? They finally got the time and energy to actually redesign, but keep things close to the spirit of the old.
Like the Primitives being a prototype, but that's all personal opinion.
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This is a great question. How is Catalyst going to avoid 2009 all over again? I can't take another let down like that. I hope this has passed inspection from the powers that be before publishing and hyping. Because seeing those and the potential ramifications of a 'classic re-imagining' across the board have me HYPED all right.
2009 was just using the Macross, Crusher Joe, and Dougram images as they were and have been. These guys have been redrawn and I assume BattleTech'd up enough to not infringe on copyright laws.
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Question for anyone with the IO Beta. Are there any equipment/weapons in there that wasn't shown in the Alpha Strike Companion?
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Well, we were throwing around the Alpha Strike box set having 22 mechs . . . 12 IS and 10 Clan. So now we have an idea on what will fill the 12 IS mech slots, wonder which Clan originals will get cut to make the number 10? Let's see . . . Fire Moth, maybe the Mist Lynx, and what else?
Any idea when this set will come out? I am not playing Alpha Strike but as TPTB suppose from the Lance Packs, plenty of folks will buy to get the mini.
Well, like I pointed out earlier they have had several minis that were Classic ancestors out and the art really has morphed from there . . . along with some later mechs that have looks, like the Lament.
For the Warhammer, the Battleaxe/Hammerhands were forerunners and IMO the mini for the Lament looks close as does the primitive TBolt without missile rack or cockpit.
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(https://38.media.tumblr.com/c26b20d3523d58572c00a59fabfc6650/tumblr_mtzmeqC16Z1qcga5ro1_500.gif)
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Well, we were throwing around the Alpha Strike box set having 22 mechs . . . 12 IS and 10 Clan. So now we have an idea on what will fill the 12 IS mech slots, wonder which Clan originals will get cut to make the number 10? Let's see . . . Fire Moth, maybe the Mist Lynx, and what else?
Nobody from CGL said any of the units included would be Clan. Perhaps it's all 22 of the classic Inner Sphere 'Mechs.
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Well, we were throwing around the Alpha Strike box set having 22 mechs . . . 12 IS and 10 Clan. So now we have an idea on what will fill the 12 IS mech slots, wonder which Clan originals will get cut to make the number 10? Let's see . . . Fire Moth, maybe the Mist Lynx, and what else?
How about the unseen Clan second-line mechs?
Just because...
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The Combat Manuals are/replace the Alpha Strike Era Supplementals mentioned in the first printing of the AS rulebook.
Good to know. I can't wait to properly see what these include.
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So, wallpaper please?
(I have an office that could use some decorating..)
Good to know. I can't wait to properly see what these include.
Oh good, somebody interested in them for more than just the shiny 'mechs. (OOhh, they are SO shiny though!)
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Oh good, somebody interested in them for more than just the shiny 'mechs. (OOhh, they are SO shiny though!)
Hmm? There's going to be books attached to those sexy covers?
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Hmm? There's going to be books attached to those sexy covers?
Yeah, there will be more pictures inside?
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Important question!
Does this means that the Combat Manuals series don't cover the Dark Age era?
Probably not. The main AS book is focused on the clan invasion era, the 3050's. The companion was timeperiod nuetral.
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Good to know. I can't wait to properly see what these include.
I'm hoping they redesign the minis to look modern. Would be such a boon for the brand these days. The quality of the last box set miniatures was acceptable and a huge improvement over the 25th anni, the designs though...
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Is this another announcement? :)
No...uh...so many things to talk about, we probably missed some. Like, new (and old) dice at GenCon this year. Still con-only for now, but it's something. we've got the Houses and Clans again, and this year we've added Mercenaries.
Correction, because I just can't keep track of it all. We'll have the Clan and House dice again, along with new metal dice as well for some of the factions. We'll have new pins of some of the notable Merc groups.
And there's not enough on the Alpha Strike Box Set to talk about, so you can consider this unofficially official: You see we're working on brand new minis from the ground up, and the AS Box is our next game aid to feature minis so...and as of this moment, we're looking at a Binary vs. a company for the content.
I'm hoping they redesign the minis to look modern. Would be such a boon for the brand these days.
.... ::)
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Nobody from CGL said any of the units included would be Clan. Perhaps it's all 22 of the classic Inner Sphere 'Mechs.
...and as of this moment, we're looking at a Binary vs. a company for the content.
DAMMIT. I am proven wrong yet again, but am still thrilled!
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I'm hoping they redesign the minis to look modern. Would be such a boon for the brand these days. The quality of the last box set miniatures was acceptable and a huge improvement over the 25th anni, the designs though...
He was talking about the contents (text) of the Combat Manual books.
Did you see the 3d render of the Warhammer in the announcement? (link in first post)
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I felt a great disturbance in the Force. . . as if a million wallets suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.
Terror? I'd probably hear from one of the mods if I were to say just how excited my wallet is to be able to purchase some of these ...what can we call them? What will they be called? "reseen" just seems incapable of expressing the awesomeness of this announcement.
I'm going to be bugging my LFGS owner tomorrow about the possiblity of preordering stuff. I warned him on facebook so that he knows I'll be bugging him regardless to preorder it. ;D
Will there, or is there, new artwork for the unseen 3055 second gen clan mechs and IICs? Warhammer IICs and StoneRhinos that are closer to the original artwork is something that I am trying very hard to express interest in without going off like some profanity loaded RAC5 on crack and caffeine, in a good way. Extremely hyped up about the possibility of a StoneRhino reseen. My fledgling Smoke Jaguar force would appreciate it. :))
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And there's not enough on the Alpha Strike Box Set to talk about, so you can consider this unofficially official: You see we're working on brand new minis from the ground up, and the AS Box is our next game aid to feature minis so...and as of this moment, we're looking at a Binary vs. a company for the content.
.... ::)
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D
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Yeah, I'm just as confused as to what RISC does. And why do you need a Marauder mini for that?
RISC tech is Republic DA tech found in IO. You don't need a Marauder mini to use it, but that's a pretty fun combo. O0
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Terror? I'd probably hear from one of the mods if I were to say just how excited my wallet is to be able to purchase some of these ...what can we call them? What will they be called? "reseen" just seems incapable of expressing the awesomeness of this announcement.
I'm either going with "Classics" or just by their actual model names.
To me the Unseen situation is dead.
I mean yeah I still as a Mod have to enforce the "No Unseen images" stuff though.
The Warhammer is dead, long live the Warhammer.
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Wow that's an overload of awesome news! Looking forward to all of these things very much. May have to get a second job though..
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The Warhammer is dead, long live the Warhammer.
man... now I need a wallpaper!
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man... now I need a wallpaper!
For your room or your computer?
The answer is "yes", I reckon. 8)
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And not just new classics but it looks like Anthony Scroggins' redesigns if that warhammer is anything to go by. Even more awesome!
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ooOOOooo If the whammy is on the new BT shirt at GenCon I'm gonna have to find me a ninja shopper....
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No, I think that's the Wombat in your wallet doing the crying....Right before he steals your wallet and pants...... ;) ;)
Craig
No offense, but that meme needs to quietly die.
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And not just new classics but it looks like Anthony Scroggins' redesigns if that warhammer is anything to go by. Even more awesome!
Anthony Scroggins did the Combat Manual cover.....
No offense, but that meme needs to quietly die.
[stupid]
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AAAW YEAH! Finally I can talk a little bit about this! It's hard pretending you don't know anything :P
That Warhammer CG model was made by me and for this project I'm contracted to do several more! So if you guys like the mini's I've made in the past you know what you're in for :)
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I'm struggling to not hop around my office in a happy dance. :D
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Nobody from CGL said any of the units included would be Clan. Perhaps it's all 22 of the classic Inner Sphere 'Mechs.
Well, if it is to get into the Clan Invasion era as described- and leaving aside that great company vs binary balance- then who would the IS forces be defending an invasion against?
or what Adrian said
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For your room or your computer?
The answer is "yes", I reckon. 8)
YES... both, but just give me a 1900x1200 high quality picture and I'll work on the poster myself :))
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Oh good, somebody interested in them for more than just the shiny 'mechs. (OOhh, they are SO shiny though!)
Seriously? If the Combat Manuals are what I think they are (and the descriptions posted today makes me think that they are) then they are exactly what I've been waiting to see added to Battletech for a very long time.
Genuinely very excited.
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Reworking the minis????????
THIS IS FRAKKIN HUGE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LONG LIVE BATTLETECH!!!!!!!!!!
I have to pee again
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AAAW YEAH! Finally I can talk a little bit about this! It's hard pretending you don't know anything :P
That Warhammer CG model was made by me and for this project I'm contracted to do several more! So if you guys like the mini's I've made in the past you know what you're in for :)
Yeah, poverty, surrounded by pretty paper and bits of plastic and metal. O0
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I'm either going with "Classics" or just by their actual model names.
To me the Unseen situation is dead.
I mean yeah I still as a Mod have to enforce the "No Unseen images" stuff though.
The Warhammer is dead, long live the Warhammer.
Oh Blake, its Jade Wolf all over again!
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RISC tech is Republic DA tech found in IO. You don't need a Marauder mini to use it, but that's a pretty fun combo. O0
I am looking for the tables that have all of the stats of the RISC equipment, I did a quick look of book but did not see them.
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I'm loving the fiction sections in the IO Beta. It even has some WarShip names! And it gives some background to flesh out the death of half a dozen worlds, and it has thermobaric weapons for Weirdo to play with...
.. and someone's mis-spelt Herakleione as Heraklieone. Which might be a deliberate slip :P
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Yeah, poverty, surrounded by pretty paper and bits of plastic and metal. O0
add a scowling wife to complete the aesthetic for me
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Will there, or is there, new artwork for the unseen 3055 second gen clan mechs and IICs? Warhammer IICs and StoneRhinos
Maybe, but *if* so, it's on the back burner. Look at it this way, if I told you flat out "no, we don't want to and it will never happen!" -- would you believe me? We've got LAMS. We've got novels. We got Handbook: House Kurita and Interstellar Operations out.the.door. We've got plastic minis. We've got Succession Wars and Alpha Strike. We're covering all eras of the BattleTech Universe.
Never say never. How about, "not yet?" ;)
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AAAW YEAH! Finally I can talk a little bit about this! It's hard pretending you don't know anything :P
That Warhammer CG model was made by me and for this project I'm contracted to do several more! So if you guys like the mini's I've made in the past you know what you're in for :)
[Vegeta] Best. Day. Ever. [/Vegeta]
I'm loving the fiction sections in the IO Beta. It even has some WarShip names! And it gives some background to flesh out the death of half a dozen worlds, and it has thermobaric weapons for Weirdo to play with...
Wait, WHAT?!?
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Maybe, but *if* so, it's on the back burner. Look at it this way, if I told you flat out "no, we don't want to and it will never happen!" -- would you believe me? We've got LAMS. We've got novels. We got Handbook: House Kurita and Interstellar Operations out.the.door. We've got plastic minis. We've got Succession Wars and Alpha Strike. We're covering all eras of the BattleTech Universe.
Never say never. How about, "not yet?"
Good enough for me.
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No...uh...so many things to talk about, we probably missed some. Like, new (and old) dice at GenCon this year. Still con-only for now, but it's something. we've got the Houses and Clans again, and this year we've added Mercenaries.
And there's not enough on the Alpha Strike Box Set to talk about, so you can consider this unofficially official: You see we're working on brand new minis from the ground up, and the AS Box is our next game aid to feature minis so...and as of this moment, we're looking at a Binary vs. a company for the content.
.... ::)
Wait I have a question will there be a pdf available for the novels including the one at the printers right now? I'm assuming yes?
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AAAW YEAH! Finally I can talk a little bit about this! It's hard pretending you don't know anything :P
That Warhammer CG model was made by me and for this project I'm contracted to do several more! So if you guys like the mini's I've made in the past you know what you're in for :)
Indeed, this is a hard one to keep under wraps!
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Wait, WHAT?!?
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this as I peruse my copy of it. >:D
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The newseen/classics are wonderful. I can't wait to paint up my merc force from when I was 10. The Death Angels.
All this talk about the game not putting stuff out and slowly dying and now this. Well done Everyone.
Well done.
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Wait, WHAT?!?
Three named Leagues: Talwar, Turk, Tyberium
One named Aegis: Manaslu
And it has the rules for thermobaric weapons immediately before the rules on nukes. They look exactly your kind of thing.
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On recommendation from one of the Beemers in purple, I've stickied this thread.
By the odd chance I wasn't supposed to do that, I'm sorry.
However it may be a moot point.
You giggling gaggle of giddy gamers just keep popping this thread up to the top anyways. ;)
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I'll have you know, sir, that I have yet to giggle.
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They named another Aegis?!
When there's so many classes out there with no named hulls...
Eh, I won't complain. It's still MADmas.
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Okay... even I will go and bite down my cynical attitude that I have had for a while now.
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SOOOO, If the Combat manuals are supposed to usurp the position intended for the Era manuals mentioned in AS, does that imply we will be getting combat manuals for each faction in each era?
In that case, should these ones be called, Clan Invasion Combat Manuals?
Also.
Still No dual Cockpits for non-tripod mechs. >:(
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Attempting to download the IO Beta PDF from Drivethru...I can hear the overloaded servers scream.
Yes, it's taking a wee bit of time to process.
Can't wait!
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I'll have you know, sir, that I have yet to giggle.
Chances are you will whenever a Marauder mini comes out again. :P
That's okay, I'll squee when the Warhammer graces my paint table.
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Chances are you will whenever a Marauder mini comes out again. :P
That's okay, I'll squee when the Warhammer graces my paint table.
I'm planning on buying about, oh, say, 26 MADs and 30 WHMs.
I have PLANS.
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man, I'm so far behind my painting schedule... now these... good thing I'm on vacation in a week!!
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RISC tech is Republic DA tech found in IO. You don't need a Marauder mini to use it, but that's a pretty fun combo. O0
Everything's better with Marauders?
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While I should be more excited about the glut of new products on the way, I can't help but feel sad about the looming death of the Republic. Although it would be interesting if there was a twist in the tale - say, if Alaric and Stone staged a Trial of Absorption on Terra, which saw the bulk of the RAF absorbed into the Wolf Empire/IlClan touman. (That might be the only way the Wolves themselves would be able to fend off the DCMS, the CCAF, and the Jade Falcons, in order to secure control of the region around the Sol system.)
Still, I suppose there's always the TSDF to (Mis)jump over to...
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Everything's better with Marauders?
Yes it is, which is why I am asking where the tables are for RISC tech and the Early clan weapons. I have evil plans for a Marauder 2R with a improved AC 5 and enhanced er PPC but can not find the tables. I am also at work so looking through that much awesomeness is hard.
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If you like the Republic because it is the faction that controls Terra, i'd imagine you can easily transfer your loyalty onward. If you like the Republic because of what it is... well, a remnant could stay alive.
I am thinking that the Republic is big enough a faction it will not die completely, not like the original Terran Hegemony did. It has been a big deal ever since Mechwarrior: Dark Age, it has quite a lot of fans, i feel, it has held an important place in the Inner Sphere since the Jihad.
While similar arguments can be made for the Terran Hegemony and the Star League, those had to die to make way for the 3025-era.
However, by the Dark Age, i feel there is place for 6 major Inner Sphere powers rather than the traditional 5.
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Holy Moly, this is awesome!!!!!!
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Hate to be that guy, but:
When are we expected to get clan stats for ISAW?
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Hate to be that guy, but:
When are we expected to get clan stats for ISAW?
I'm going to guess:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/catalyst-asks-you!/interstellar-operations-scenarios/
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I'm planning on buying about, oh, say, 26 MADs and 30 WHMs.
I have PLANS.
Doesn't that mean that you will need to buy 30 Alpha Strike Boxes?
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Yes it is, which is why I am asking where the tables are for RISC tech and the Early clan weapons. I have evil plans for a Marauder 2R with a improved AC 5 and enhanced er PPC but can not find the tables. I am also at work so looking through that much awesomeness is hard.
The tables start on Page 216.
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Alpha Strike Box Set.
Ray you have made me a very Happy Camper
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If you like the Republic because it is the faction that controls Terra, i'd imagine you can easily transfer your loyalty onward. If you like the Republic because of what it is... well, a remnant could stay alive.
More the latter than the former. I was no fan of the Amaris Empire or Blakist Protectorate, and would not be keen on seeing either the Falcons, Dracs, or Capellans rule/burn Terra.
I am thinking that the Republic is big enough a faction it will not die completely, not like the original Terran Hegemony did. It has been a big deal ever since Mechwarrior: Dark Age, it has quite a lot of fans, i feel, it has held an important place in the Inner Sphere since the Jihad.
While similar arguments can be made for the Terran Hegemony and the Star League, those had to die to make way for the 3025-era.
However, by the Dark Age, i feel there is place for 6 major Inner Sphere powers rather than the traditional 5.
One of the things I like about the Empires Aflame setting is that it shows how well an Inner Sphere without an Exodus would work as an "official" (albeit non-canon) option. Indeed, part of me wonders if a side benefit of EA was/is to give fans of "doomed" factions in the Prime timeline something to support once said factions bite the dust.
Which is not to say that I myself would abandon the Prime timeline, far from it. But if/when the Republic dies, I suspect I'll be that much more keen to turn towards the Terran Supremacy as a substitute. (Which would be unfortunate in another way, since the EA setting is likely never going to be expanded upon. I would like to one day see the TSDF looked at in greater detail, and not trapped in amber.)
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Hate to be that guy, but:
When are we expected to get clan stats for ISAW?
It depends what you're looking for (not being a smart aleck here). If you mean combat stats, ISAW uses the ACS system, and the rules to convert upwards to ACS formations. If you mean pre-built stats for ACS so you don't have to do all that, or if you mean other setting rules (for example startup holdings in the IS or Homeworlds to generate Resource Points), we'll eventually see those in both print and PDF products to supplement ISAW.
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add a scowling wife to complete the aesthetic for me
Yes, same here.......then i will introduce my daughter to Battletech }:)
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I'm just curious about the contenders for the ilClan.
I don't really think the Falcons or Horses have the ability to launch a successful campaign of that magnitude. Malvia and her Horde were seriously out-played on Tharkad and Hesperus.
That leaves the Bears and the Wolves either of which have a large industrial footprint that they could use to springboard the needed expansions of their respective Toumans.
Unless we finally see the Homeworld Clans make an appearance after the Reavings... The Star Adders as the ilClan kinda scares the pants off me.
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All hail IlClan Sea Diamond Fox Shark!
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I'm just curious about the contenders for the ilClan.
There was a bit of a hint (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_I).
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The material in the IO beta seems to imply that we still won't see or hear from the Homeworld Clans by 3150 - though there are a few hints here and there as to what may have been going on out in the coreward Deep Periphery, which will hopefully be expanded upon at some point.
On another note, I like that IO is presented as a Sandhurst Royal Military College publication. I haven't spotted any notes about the intended in-universe publication date and author/s yet, however.
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Embers of war pdf yes yes?
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Maybe, but *if* so, it's on the back burner. Look at it this way, if I told you flat out "no, we don't want to and it will never happen!" -- would you believe me? We've got LAMS. We've got novels. We got Handbook: House Kurita and Interstellar Operations out.the.door. We've got plastic minis. We've got Succession Wars and Alpha Strike. We're covering all eras of the BattleTech Universe.
Never say never. How about, "not yet?" ;)
Still awaiting the release of the LAMs to the non-con going public, and those that weren't able to get in on the kickstarter. Will that be happening soon?
I have been using the name StoneRhino in online games for well over a decade now. I have been using it for a reason. This is very important stuff we are talking about here! This is personal, and I am only half joking. ;D
Only ...half...joking >:/! >:/! >:/!
haha, joking aside, the StoneRhino and Warhammer IIC are the mechs that I have been hoping to see redone, as I mentioned in another post the 3025 unseen didn't bother me much since I found the game when TRO:3055 came out and was the first TRO that I purchased. These Revised mechs are awesome and I plan on preordering and buying. I really wouldn't be able to post how I feel if I were to see a Revised Stone Rhino and Warhammer IIC on the cover of something because I would not be able to hold back the celebratory expletives. ;D
I know what you are saying, and its obvious that it will happen. If anything it would be far easier to do then the 3025unseen. Oh.....Revised Kraken! Hell yeah! More Ultra AC2 love then most people know what to do with. The current isn't bad, but just thinking about it makes me want to go rent the place a friend of a friend lived at when I first noticed the Kraken, just for a day to sit and think about that day. As I was saying, its just one of those things you want to blurt out even though the answer is obvious. But I just wanted to make it known that at least one person wants Revised 3055 mechs.
Oh, and while we are at it, how bout a card game? I could convert Magic players to BT:CG players and then get them into Battletech. You know you want me to. I know they want to but just don't know it yet. Again, just making it known... O0
Best August.....ever.
Going to a show today.
Tickets to Hard Summer to see the Chemical Brothers for the first time after missing every appearance since 1996.
Working on my PhD
Then we get hit with this WMD grade announcement. There are just a few more things that could add to this August, but I know this is a family show and I don't know what the chances of a new car showing up with my name on it is.
I remember how I felt back in 2001 when everything melted down, and BT was gone to top it off. This is the complete opposite. I'll be looking to get a nice amount of these Revised designs to show off in upcoming games. I'm not even talking about IO, that is a whole other level of nerdism in a keg yet to be tapped. Same with the Kurita house book. Favorite faction, IO the scale of BT I've dreamed of, LAMs, and this. Seriously, this is more personal then just shiny new mechs on the table. This game really did help in the worst times that I have had. Seeing this big piece of the game returning and things progressing is really huge to me.
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Before I forget, Will the PDF version of IO still be on sale after GenCon? I might know a guy that knows a guy that is going. I would love to get a copy of the beta IO book mentioned with the free pdf, but would hate to find out that he couldn't get me a copy and miss the PDF sale on top of that.
Basically, how long with the IO Beta PDF be on sale for?
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"Once a street date for the book is determined (i.e., it’s in our warehouse), Catalyst Game Labs will release the final version of the PDF, with the price returning to the standard $25."
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"Are you crying?!?"
"No, there's something in my eye!"
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o
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I'm just curious about the contenders for the ilClan.
I don't really think the Falcons or Horses have the ability to launch a successful campaign of that magnitude. Malvia and her Horde were seriously out-played on Tharkad and Hesperus.
That leaves the Bears and the Wolves either of which have a large industrial footprint that they could use to springboard the needed expansions of their respective Toumans.
Unless we finally see the Homeworld Clans make an appearance after the Reavings... The Star Adders as the ilClan kinda scares the pants off me.
My own handicapping of who'll win the horserace to ilClandom:
1-5 Wolf Empire Clearly the leading candidate. High Mary Sue factor for the entire faction, not just Alaric.
3-5 the former RotS This is my dark horse. The more hints they drop about the doom of the Republic the more convinced I am TPTB are setting up a "surprise" come from behind win for Stone to re-invent the faltering Republic as the ilClan.
what follows are the long bets.
3-1 Falcon Clan. Malvina is a moth drawn to flame. She's doomed, but maybe her Clan isn't. Maybe.
4-1 Rasalhague Dominion. Of the Clan factions contending, they've probably got the best shot militarily at becoming ilClan. But they lack the will to do so, making them a longer shot.
6-1 Sea Foxes. Much like Rasalhague, they probably have the means but lack the motivation. What would becoming ilClan get them they don't already have?
10-1 Raven Alliance. They can't even manage worlds they were gifted peacefully by the Combine. They're not conquerors of sufficient caliber to lead the Inner Sphere.
10-1 Hell's Horses. Much like the Ravens, they're a Clan that didn't even rate as a reserve invading Clan. They're literally kept around just to spice up the periphery.
I insist that the ilClan needn't be a Clan. All it takes to be ilClan is to dominate the the Clans and make them squeal that you are indeed their ilClan.
4-1 House Kurita: Of the Great Houses, they certainly have the desire to rule the entire galaxy. Even if, and that's a long if, they have the means to do so, they're too distracted with gobbling up the Fed Suns at the moment to strike at everyone else.
4-1 House Davion: I don't place Davion down for the count. At all. Tucker Stone referenced deals being struck that he has great faith in, and the potential of a RotS/FS alliance or merger has so much Mary Sue it burns my eyes. Never, ever bet everything against Davion.
5-1 House Liao: Peaked too early in 3145. It can't be anything but downhill from there.
10-1 House Steiner: The Falcons are either going down or becoming ilClan. And the odds are against ilClan. Steiner has a comeback in its future and it'll be at the Falcon OZ's expense. Still, Katrina notwithstanding, they're too much pigeonholed as the plucky sidekick to be the ilClan rather than the ilClan's sidekick.
30-1 House Marik: The only way it's plausible is that a new Stone arises with a Marik surname. that is, the next Mary Sue is a Marik and he/she forms a coalition of everyone else to do his/her bidding and he/she gets all the credit. Probably not likely, but still possible.
20-1 The Tetatae: Who better to be revealed as having been behind the hyperspace mayhem?
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There was a bit of a hint (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_I).
That is interesting... I was aware of the historical meaning behind the name Alaric... I didn't think that it would that much significance in-Universe.
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+1 for staking the Tetatae better odds than the FWL
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Oh my so much I have to read more in depth on.
I'll assume it is okay to start giving feedback when something more than <TBD> is in the IO Beta thread.
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I think the talk of who will be the ilClan would be best in its own thread. But that said...
That is interesting... I was aware of the historical meaning behind the name Alaric... I didn't think that it would that much significance in-Universe.
Oh come on. He's the rightful heir to two different thrones, was the product of secret incest, was not born of woman, was raised by Wolves, his father was the greatest hero of his generation and his mother one of the foulest villains, became Khan by his own hand, and carved out an Empire. All he has left to do is beat Grendel to death with his own arm and destroy the Death Star.
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My debit card is already sweating from the workout it's getting.
Also is the final print version of IO going to have the same cover as the few print beta's you guys are selling at Gen Con ??
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I think the talk of who will be the ilClan would be best in its own thread. But that said...
Oh come on. He's the rightful heir to two different thrones, was the product of secret incest, was not born of woman, was raised by Wolves, his father was the greatest hero of his generation and his mother one of the foulest villains, became Khan by his own hand, and carved out an Empire. All he has left to do is beat Grendel to death with his own arm and destroy the Death Star.
I'm laughing like a crazy person right now, I can see Alaric streaking down the Death Star Trench in his T-65 X-Wing, with Victor Steiner-Davion whispering "Use the Force" to him.
I'm off to buy the IO Beta, be back in a but!
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My money is on the Wolverines as the IlClan......sweet poetic justice.
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Have to say it would be interesting to have an emperor in Battletech for a change.
The previous one was Stefan Amaris... we know how that ended.
While practically all nations in BTU are de facto absolute monarchies/dictatorships, we haven't really had any that styles itself as an empire, before the Wolf Empire.
I'd be very much okay with Wolf Empire being the IlClan.
Because... well, you see, empires have tendency to come down burning... The aftermath is always such a good possibility for a setting.
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So is the Unseen art and the new art getting the 2750/3057 SLDF WarShip treatment, where both existed at some point?
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No. This is a retcon. The Phoenix designs will still exist, but the classics are back.
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It should be noted that you can still use whatever you want in your games, but this allows the 3025-era variants to be used in official events (Demo Team events, GenCon, tournaments, etc.) and pictured in art. It also allows CGL and IWM to produce and sell miniatures of those variants again.
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No. This is a retcon. The Phoenix designs will still exist, but the classics are back.
I wasn't referring to the Phoenix artwork/designs, but the actual Unseen artwork. In other words, is an Unseen BattleMaster, or Warhammer, or Shadow Hawk no longer a BattleMaster, Warhammer or Shadow Hawk?
It should be noted that you can still use whatever you want in your games, but this allows the 3025-era variants to be used in official events (Demo Team events, GenCon, tournaments, etc.) and pictured in art. It also allows CGL and IWM to produce and sell miniatures of those variants again.
Yeah, got that part, and agree it's a good thing. I'm just trying to clarify if the old Unseen artwork is still considered valid for some versions/production runs of the 'Mechs, just like we somehow have two different sets of artwork for, say, the Cameron class battlecruiser, both of which are considered canon/valid.
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I wasn't referring to the Phoenix artwork/designs, but the actual Unseen artwork. In other words, is an Unseen BattleMaster, or Warhammer, or Shadow Hawk no longer a BattleMaster, Warhammer or Shadow Hawk?
Yeah, got that part, and agree it's a good thing. I'm just trying to clarify if the old Unseen artwork is still considered valid for some versions/production runs of the 'Mechs, just like we somehow have two different sets of artwork for, say, the Cameron class battlecruiser, both of which are considered canon/valid.
This is a full retcon. The Warhammer -6R now looks like the Warhammer in the announcement. It is the look that all previously unseen Warhammers share in large part. There are no more unseen Warhammers.
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This is a full retcon. The Warhammer -6R now looks like the Warhammer in the announcement. It is the look that all previously unseen Warhammers share in large part. There are no more unseen Warhammers.
Which is making giddy beyond belief. If finances permit I may actually see about hitting up my nearest demo agent for a fight during their next official game post IWM produced BLR-1G Battlemaster.
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I believe this is a "this is how they have always been for our publications" kind of thing. Not a "well, the Star League Marauder looks like a Glaug Officer's Pod but a Marauder produced after 2940 looks like this." I think the idea is to erase the old images and not have to fit a square peg in the circular hole. This will allow them to not be backed into a corner in any era.
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I just had a chance to look at the announcement and all I have to say is -- take my money. All of it. That Whammie... can I marry it? [drool]
More seriously, thank you, Catalyst. THIS is the solution I'd been hoping for. I'd resigned myself to the Phoenix designs (in fact learned to love a couple of them) while despairing of ever having artwork for the 3025-era notables due to the Phoenix designs not being canon in that time period. Seeing the Black Widow Company in action again in official art makes me cry Manly Tears of joy.
Now being able to safely ignore the fugly PhoenixHammer and PhoenixRauder is icing on the cake ;D
From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
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Yeah, got that part, and agree it's a good thing. I'm just trying to clarify if the old Unseen artwork is still considered valid for some versions/production runs of the 'Mechs, just like we somehow have two different sets of artwork for, say, the Cameron class battlecruiser, both of which are considered canon/valid.
The 2750 and 3057 WarShip art was all produced in-house for FASA and is part and parcel of the BattleTech IP. The Unseen images are owned by other, sometimes hostile, companies. It's apples and oranges.
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They'd better do one Hell of a job re-drawing the Thud. I love me the Primitive, but every other one. . . ugh. Looking forward to that almost as much as I am the new Wolverine!
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The 2750 and 3057 WarShip art was all produced in-house for FASA and is part and parcel of the BattleTech IP. The Unseen images are owned by other, sometimes hostile, companies. It's apples and oranges.
I'm also aware of that. And I'm happy that this will give Catalyst and IWM the opportunity for new sales.
Still doesn't keep me from being bummed out.
(fixes broken quit bracket)
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sneak peek of the thud on pg 341 of IO
it's from behind... and missing its head... but that's what we've got right now
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sneak peek of the thud on pg 341 of IO
it's from behind... and missing its head... but that's what we've got right now
I believe they will all look alike Shimmy's version
Just look at them, they are very similar
http://shimmering-sword.deviantart.com/art/Battletech-Unseen-Moon-396176559
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What? Like maybe some of the Succession Wars XTROs?
>:D
Alpha Strike Box Set.
O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Yes please. Yes please. Yes-please-yes-please-yes-please-yespleaseyespleaseyesplease.... and it kinda goes on from there...
By the way, thanks for killing my productivity at work today :D
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SQUEEEEEEEE!! :Jumpy:
I'm so happy, 'Cause today I found my friends
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Kinda having mixed feelings about this release, on one hand very happy to finally see IO (pdf downloaded and busy scanning through it) but on the other hand very unhappy to see the force creation rules which were beta tested back in 2012 have been moved to yet another book - I'm assuming for space reasons. I've been waiting for these rules since IO was announced so long ago I've forgotten when :)
So back to waiting for yet another book to be released. >:(
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What force creation rules? I ask simply because there are a lot of rules/systems for such a thing in various products already . . . could also be removed from the Beta release.
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What force creation rules? I ask simply because there are a lot of rules/systems for such a thing in various products already . . . could also be removed from the Beta release.
They'll be in the campaign companion, i expect - which is already on the Coming Releases page
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On recommendation from one of the Beemers in purple, I've stickied this thread.
By the odd chance I wasn't supposed to do that, I'm sorry.
However it may be a moot point.
You giggling gaggle of giddy gamers just keep popping this thread up to the top anyways. ;)
How dare you exercise what little authority I flaunt! You shall be flogged with a hundred wet noodles one thousand times. Punishment will commence upon my finish of IO. It may take awhile.
::scorn::
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Before today I thought that the coming releases page was unusually full of stuff I wanted. I didn't think I could be more impressed, but today here we are.
Kinda having mixed feelings about this release, on one hand very happy to finally see IO (pdf downloaded and busy scanning through it) but on the other hand very unhappy to see the force creation rules which were beta tested back in 2012 have been moved to yet another book - I'm assuming for space reasons. I've been waiting for these rules since IO was announced so long ago I've forgotten when :)
So back to waiting for yet another book to be released. >:(
However I'll say that I think it's for the better that we finally got a full book that details force creation and campaign rules. I feel like that's what Strategic Operation should have been.
Now, it's still not exactly a one-stop shop for campaigns since a bunch of campaign-related content made it into Strategic Operations and you'll need Tech Manual and Tactical Operations for all of the price/availability/etc. data, but hey I'm glad that it's finally going to be here.
Maybe when the rules get a refresh and a new set of books in anoher decade or two we can have a one-stop campaign book :V
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What force creation rules? I ask simply because there are a lot of rules/systems for such a thing in various products already . . . could also be removed from the Beta release.
The ones discussed in this thread http://bg.battletech.com/forums/catalyst-asks-you!/interstellar-operations-open-beta-test-creating-a-force-discussion/ (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/catalyst-asks-you!/interstellar-operations-open-beta-test-creating-a-force-discussion/)
I was hoping they'd make the book after such a prominent beta testing, but as Sartris said they should be covered by the campaign companion, at least I'm hoping they are :)
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The ones discussed in this thread http://bg.battletech.com/forums/catalyst-asks-you!/interstellar-operations-open-beta-test-creating-a-force-discussion/ (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/catalyst-asks-you!/interstellar-operations-open-beta-test-creating-a-force-discussion/)
I was hoping they'd make the book after such a prominent beta testing, but as Sartris said they should be covered by the campaign companion, at least I'm hoping they are :)
They will be. It's noted as such in the Coming Releases page.
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About the RoTS/FedSuns joining thing, I think that the RoTS is going to fall apart, but the FedSuns will absorb most of it because ideologically their the closest match.
As for the Combat Manuals, the TRO inside of them will likely be about bringing new units to AS, so no new stuff for TW/BT proper
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As for the Combat Manuals, the TRO inside of them will likely be about bringing new units to AS, so no new stuff for TW/BT proper
Why? Units still need to be designed in BT before AS stats can be made.
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Why? Units still need to be designed in BT before AS stats can be made.
Depending on layout, both sets of stats can easily fit on a page, along with art, some fluff, etc.
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Why? Units still need to be designed in BT before AS stats can be made.
There are less then 100 AS cards to date, I figure that each book will come with a sheet of new ones and the TRO will be about them
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Would they release the pdf for the novel before the dead tree version?
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Yeah, poverty, surrounded by pretty paper and bits of plastic and metal. O0
You know my solution: make the miniatures edible.
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There are less then 100 AS cards to date, I figure that each book will come with a sheet of new ones and the TRO will be about them
There are 48 Alpha Strike cards in the Lance Packs, and 90 in the AS card pack from Origins. It stands to reason there could be more coming, but I doubt they'll be packaged with a print book.
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Reading through IO, I see our kludged-together LAM Bomb Bay rules have been extensively revised.
So I'll be picking over THOSE with a fine-toothed comb. >:D
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Primitive JumpShip KF drive rules are still a huge problem, because it basically backdoor allows "Monitors": ie. million-ton Primitive JumpShips with a 1-LY range KF drive taking up only 8% of vessel mass.
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Have they at least patched that gap between Primitive JS and Standard Tech ones? From the Alpha there was a gap of about 50 years between Primitive ending and Standard beginning
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Would they release the pdf for the novel before the dead tree version?
an e-pub file makes more sense, but yeah, a digital version would be nice
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I believe they will all look alike Shimmy's version
Just look at them, they are very similar
http://shimmering-sword.deviantart.com/art/Battletech-Unseen-Moon-396176559
Looking closely, the Warhammer is dead on to the one on the Combat Manual Mercenaries cover.
This is just awesome. ;)
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Looking closely, the Warhammer is dead on to the one on the Combat Manual Mercenaries cover.
There are similarities, that's to be expected—same artist. But no, not the same design.
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Anyone else notice that there's one 'Mech, two vehicles and one BA on the cover of IO?
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Anyone else notice that there's one 'Mech, two vehicles and one BA on the cover of IO?
Took me a second...
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What I want to know is what this means for the IIC 'Mechs (Warhammer IIC et all). Trust me, I have reasons.
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Would they release the pdf for the novel before the dead tree version?
I really would like an answer to this i asked 3 different ways on this thread lol
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What I want to know is what this means for the IIC 'Mechs (Warhammer IIC et all). Trust me, I have reasons.
AHAHAHAHA MORE MEGAMEK SPRITES! MORE!
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Unless we finally see the Homeworld Clans make an appearance after the Reavings... The Star Adders as the ilClan kinda scares the pants off me.
The good news is when the Adders take over no one will need pants.
Did someone say clues to the Homeworld's fate in IO??? What????
....grrrr this has to happen when the baby gets an ear infection and I'm too busy tending to him to check it out. I named you Archer, boy. Missile spam that fever and go to sleep!
I think Alaric the Wolf fulfilled the legacy of Alaric the goth when he took Tharkad since it was the Lyrans that invited him in and used his people as cannon fodder. That meets the blueprint of his name sake. Both had a chip on their shoulder and ambition for days though... (funny story my older child's name is Alaric)
Oh and....
ILCLAN COMETH!!!!!!
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What I want to know is what this means for the IIC 'Mechs (Warhammer IIC et all). Trust me, I have reasons.
Already answered: not yet.
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Oh and....
ILCLAN COMETH!!!!!!
Unfortunately, trothkin, there are over 20 stravag publications before ilClan!
I declare a Trial of Refusal!
;)
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this new warhammer looks rather like the unseen warhammer IIC so you could probably use it as a stand in easy enough.
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Unfortunately, trothkin, there are over 20 stravag publications before ilClan!
I declare a Trial of Refusal!
;)
It's on the damn Coming Attractions page... I'll take it as the first of 3 possible wins
The second is when it drops
The third will be seeing the Homeclans come calling
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As of 2056 hrs CST, IO-Beta is #2 on the hot sellers list on DriveThruRPG. :D
To put that in perspective, the 1e AD&D DMG was just released this week on pdf as well, and it's only at #6.
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Anyone else notice that there's one 'Mech, two vehicles and one BA on the cover of IO?
yes, I did. To be fair, it was easier when the cover was a sketch
(http://i.imgur.com/4lpcJUi.jpg)
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So . . . Broadstreet Bullies with a Banshee, Ontos (ML), Pegasus and GDL Standard? with some infantry.
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So is it a good idea to get the IO Beta? Whats missing from it?
@RotS fan, oh infantry as well
If that is a Banshee it's one we've never seen before
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That's a nice cover.
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So is it a good idea to get the IO Beta? Whats missing from it?
@RotS fan, oh infantry as well
If that is a Banshee it's one we've never seen before
It's $10.00 US dollars, for 300+ pages of rules/construction info/and game systems for campaign play. It win in my corner when i originally though they were going sell it for $60.00
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And your feedback can impact the final product. If that isn't enough incentive right there to pick it up then I don't know what is.
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Plus, if you buy the Beta now, you'll get the final PDF for no extra charge, while if you wait the PDF will be $25. The hardcopy will likely be in the $60 range, as it is nearly 400 pages long.
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Hmm.
I really like the news that the unseen will be coming back, but - and call me a pessimist at heart - I'm getting flashbacks to 2009 here, when all things Battletech were throwing their arms up in celebration because they found some sort of loophole in the law that allowed them to make unseen mechs again... We were this close to getting another fantastic Mechwarrior single player PC game.
...but then Harmony Gold popped back up, put their foot down, and Nope'd everything to oblivion. The PC game had difficulty finding publishers (Likely in no small part to news about the C&D), leaving us with a FTP multiplayer-only title.
I know that there are some aesthetic changes being done to the old unseen, but I really hope the legal side of things (none of which I get to hear about) has been thoroughly talked through with HG and/or very expensive legal professionals. If I get a shiny new toy just to have it taken away a day later, that's just too heartbreaking.
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Question about IO: which ruleset is designed to be used in conjunction with the planetary maps from the Turning Points PDFs?
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Question about IO: which ruleset is designed to be used in conjunction with the planetary maps from the Turning Points PDFs?
ACS
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That loophole they thought they had was to use the original art.
This us new art.
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I know that there are some aesthetic changes being done to the old unseen...
Stop right there. These are not the Unseen, nor just the Unseen with the "legally-mandated" six changes. These are new designs that share some thematic elements or general outlines with the old art. These have been deliberately designed to not only evoke the feel of the Unseen without stepping on anyone else's toes, but to appeal to a modern audience.
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Stop right there. These are not the Unseen, nor just the Unseen with the "legally-mandated" six changes. These are new designs that share some thematic elements or general outlines with the old art. These have been deliberately designed to not only evoke the feel of the Unseen without stepping on anyone else's toes, but to appeal to a modern audience.
Hear Hear!
I've played going back to BattleDroids and if this Warhammer is any indication of the quality of the new art I might forget what the originals look like.
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While new to the tabletop game, my first experience with Battletech was sniping the heads off of Battlemasters piloting a Warhammer in the 1989 Mechwarrior PC game.
I loved that thing so much, I refused to "upgrade" my pilot to a heavier 'mech based on my own stubborn aesthetic preference.
When I decided to get into the tabletop game, the first thing I wanted was a Warhammer miniature. But, being completely ignorant of the Unseen issues, I was confused by what I was seeing being touted as a Warhammer.
My confusion turned to disappointment and sadness as the internet soon revealed all the details and history of the unseen.
Would have been happy with an announcement about the production of any new plastic mini's, but this, this is $&!?$&@ amazing!
Curious about the Campaign Companion as well.
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Plus, if you buy the Beta now, you'll get the final PDF for no extra charge, while if you wait the PDF will be $25. The hardcopy will likely be in the $60 range, as it is nearly 400 pages long.
Source please
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Source please
In order to ensure maximum exposure, Catalyst Game Labs is releasing the PDF at $10 for a limited time. Once a street date for the book is determined (i.e., it’s in our warehouse), Catalyst Game Labs will release the final version of the PDF, with the price returning to the standard $25. Anyone who previously purchased the PDF at $10 will automatically receive a free upgrade to the final PDF.
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I think I just had a fangasm in my pants. All I can say is O-M-G. So Happy Right Now [drool] :'( [drool] :'( :-* :-*
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Basically they're running a similar deal to AToW's release.
Put out the beta for cheap, have people run through it, make their input known, and then when it goes to full release the PDF purchasers get their update to a fully released product.
Overall a decent deal when you think about it.
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Wait I have a question will there be a pdf available for the novels including the one at the printers right now? I'm assuming yes?
Don't know. I'll find out. Kindle and Nook yes.
In that case, should these ones be called, Clan Invasion Combat Manuals?
No. These will cover a slightly broader period of time, late 3rd SW to early CI. We're still looking at ways to expand that, but these won't simply be the "Clan Invasion" volumes.
Everything's better with Marauders?
Everything.
Although it would be interesting if there was a twist in the tale
You can bet on it.
Ray you have made me a very Happy Camper
We're very glad!
Seriously, this is more personal then just shiny new mechs on the table. This game really did help in the worst times that I have had. Seeing this big piece of the game returning and things progressing is really huge to me.
Glad you feel that way, and that you took my response the right way—went back and read it and the beginning could have been misconstrued but I think "Never say never, say not yet" summed it up well enough.
Basically, how long with the IO Beta PDF be on sale for?
Until the final IO goes on sale, approximately 2 months from now (NOT street date, but print/PDF date)
I'll assume it is okay to start giving feedback when something more than <TBD> is in the IO Beta thread.
Please do. I apologize for the <TBD>, I'll edit that as soon as I'm able.
Also is the final print version of IO going to have the same cover as the few print beta's you guys are selling at Gen Con ??
Hmmm. Same front cover, minus the giant "BETA" on it. Same back. The spine is plain and says "BETA," the final will have the core book spine artwork.
Still doesn't keep me from being bummed out.
Don't look at this as...subtractive. No one is losing anything. You have your minis, and can use them in the same way you always could. You've got your old books, novels, etc. What's happening here is a gain. New artwork to be used moving forward, instead of empty space and a shrug.
but on the other hand very unhappy to see the force creation rules which were beta tested back in 2012 have been moved to yet another book
I'm sorry about that, and I know it doesn't salve the wound, but the decision was made and announced publicly around a year ago to move those rules to the Campaign Companion. So I know it's news to you, but it's not something we just now sprang on everyone.
You know my solution: make the miniatures edible.
Gummi 'Mechs.
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If in fact there is a "AS" boxset in the works, will it possibly have a 3050 Invasion map of the inner sphere?
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Thank you for answering my question Adrian gideon! Can't wait for the first novel!
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Let's see here... Classic 'Mechs, Combat Manuals, Novels, ilClan, and the possibility that the Alpha Strike box is actually real?! I am extremely giddy and excited right now. :D
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Can we post errata for the IO Beta yet
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Can we post errata for the IO Beta yet
Yes, the thread is open and people have already been posting to it.
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Stop right there. These are not the Unseen, nor just the Unseen with the "legally-mandated" six changes. These are new designs that share some thematic elements or general outlines with the old art. These have been deliberately designed to not only evoke the feel of the Unseen without stepping on anyone else's toes, but to appeal to a modern audience.
I really REALLY hope that all parties see it as such. I can't deal with heartbreak like 2009 again, but it's not like I didn't see it coming then. I just hope my fears are completely unfounded now.
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I know I'm getting into this late, but...wow. This "major announcement" was beyond anything I had hoped to hear. I was expecting some news about Interstellar Ops or maybe a blurb about the ilClan, but this...man. I can't believe it. There's not a single thing on that announcement list that I'm not pumped about.
Interstellar Ops gearing up to come out. A re-imagining of the classics done with 3D renders, giving us high-quality art no matter the angle. Novels - and the most surprising part, a return of Stackpole. Combat Manuals, which look like they'll be a superb product line worthy of replacing the older full-bodied factional Field Manuals. And an Alpha Strike box set, which - with the inclusion of the new classic redesigns AND clan 'Mech plastics - is guaranteed to be a huge seller amongst older BattleTech fans (with the side effect of exposing them to Alpha Strike, even if they just wanted the minis) and newer ones. And the ilClan, on the upcoming releases list at last.
I can solidly say that I've never been so excited to be a BattleTech fan. To the crew of CGL: congratulations. This must be an exciting and stressful time for you all, but an immensely rewarding one as well. I feel like you're taking the franchise in an amazing direction, one where BattleTech is invigorated and refreshed without having its heart and core taken from it.
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Could there be a new TRO:3025 ("Revised"?) with the new art in the future? I'd buy one for sure.
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No. These will cover a slightly broader period of time, late 3rd SW to early CI. We're still looking at ways to expand that, but these won't simply be the "Clan Invasion" volumes.
How do you plan on differentiating books when we start doing the same factions again just in earlier or later time periods?
On a side note, with new art for old mechs, are books such as TRO3039 going to get an update/reprint to insert the new art and is the new art going to be slotted in on the MUL and AS cards available there, or are we still going to be stuck with these crappy silhouettes.
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Classic designs reinvented. Novels. Final core book released. Dozens of very exciting products on the way.
I am at a loss for words.
Thank you to the Catalyst team for all of this. What a wonderful day 😀
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*checks IWM site for Warhammer 10th time* WHY CAN I NOT BUY IT YET! TAKE MY MONEY!
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Classic designs reinvented. Novels. Final core book released. Dozens of very exciting products on the way.
I'm pretty sure the Campaign Companion is also supposed to count as a core rulebook.
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Oooo Interstellar Operations. [drool] Must find money!
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the single critical slot Chemical/Double Strength Heat Sinks from Tales of the Black Widow Company made it into the book? I ask because even though they keep being mentioned I haven't seen them in any stats/record sheets and they didn't appear in the Pre-Beta. Is it a case of "Oops, we forgot that," or "Sorry, those are gone for good"?
I have mixed feelings about having to Retcon the Unseen. I'm not happy about them being Unseen. But their new art does look nice and is close enough I can pretend they're products of a different factory. So that's good. :) Forgive me if this has been answered already, but are they going to get a new TRO or are they just for future art and minis?
Thanks! Keep up the great work! O0 [cheers]
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You...... MAGNIFICENT people! My brain is blown!
The one thing that kept all those MAD redesigns from looking like a Marauder was the shoulders being above the hips instead of at the same level and in front....
And then I see the artwork. Shoulders a touch higher and IN FRONT! I can totally live with this, especially if it's given anthing like the treatment that the OGM WAMMY got! O0
Brilliant move with the Unseen SEEN `Mechs. It`s going to be nice to have artwork of them in books again.
Brilliant move with the BETA release for IO. Shame about the force creation rules, but I can wait a little longer considering all the stuff you just brought out!
New Novels! Not much more to say about that. O0
So excited right now...
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I just wanted to chime in to say that I am excited almost beyond words at the cornucopia of new BT that's coming our way. I haven't been this excited for upcoming products in a long time.
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Could there be a new TRO:3025 ("Revised"?) with the new art in the future? I'd buy one for sure.
It would make an excellent tie-in with the first succession war product that was listed in the upcoming titles page.
Maybe called something like "TRO: Staples". Considering that the unseen were the core of Battletech and Battledroids since it's inception, I've always considered them the staples of the franchise, even pre-dating the AC/20. It's partly why without them involved in 3025 games, the whole era felt like there was a gap. Furthermore, the unseen were supposed to be the "Mass Produced" Battlemechs that every faction had. Bug mechs out the wazoo, Archers, Riflemen, Marauders and Warhammers, Even lesser-depicted ones like the Crusader and Thunderbolt.
I'd like to coin that phrase: Staples. If these mechs are truly able to make a comeback, they're going to quickly become staples in just about everybody's mech collections, whether they're succession wars players or on the cutting edge.
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With the Mauraduer and the Warhammer back, does that mean some of the other designs are back also. The Clan refits also?
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The image looked like it had more of the reimagined unseen than the super awesome kick ass warhammer (it looks far superior to the Robotech thingie, of which I have two of the unseen minis).
At any rate.. with only a rear shot of the marauder... need a full frontal before I will be impressed. But for now... the Warhammer is da bomb. :Jumpy: :Jumpy: :Jumpy: {>{> {>{> {>{>
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Question: What will be in TRO 3150 that wasn't in the various XTRO 3145's?
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I am Belch II, you mean like the Warhammer C? The one that takes salvaged IS equipment and replaces some weapons for Clan versions? I thought they were out for several reasons- the big game one being because the designs are massively underweight in some cases.
I think those could have been ok if only they had just piled in SHS to fill back up the tonnage. Cause I would love to play some Invasion games where the Warhammer 6R(C) runs around with cLPL and just enough sinks to fire both.
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I think those could have been ok if only they had just piled in SHS to fill back up the tonnage. Cause I would love to play some Invasion games where the Warhammer 6R(C) runs around with cLPL and just enough sinks to fire both.
So true, many of those underweight 'C' mechs should just be Erratad with more SHS.
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If the unseens were reimaged, does that mean the LAMs are as well?
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If the unseens were reimaged, does that mean the LAMs are as well?
I'd assume so. IINM, the LAMs were first removed primarily as a result of the troubles with HG (given that since the Valkyrie-derived 'mechs weren't gonna fly [pardon the expression], keeping the transforming nature was fairly pointless). Now with the slow reintroduction of LAMs, I can't see why they wouldn't be redesigned. We've got Primitive Wasp and P-Hawk LAMs, so in the fullness of time, they'll probably port the new hotness Classic 'Mechs into the LAM configurations where appropriate.
Which, BTW makes me wait for bated breath for the redesigned Phoenix Hawk, Wasp and Stinger. Given that the original designs are the crown jewels of Macross, I'm looking forward to see how Catalyst handles those ones, If what we've seen so far is any indication, It shall be a thing of utter beauty O0
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The Stinger, Wasp, and P Hawk LAMs already have an earlier redesign though so they may not get touched again.
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The Stinger, Wasp, and P Hawk LAMs already have an earlier redesign though so they may not get touched again.
While that's true,unless I'm greatly mistaken, those are specifically the primitive versions and not the later iterations.
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... We've got Succession Wars ...
I'm surprised no-one else has commented on this. Last I heard, Succession Wars had been vaguely talked about but was not concrete. Does this "We've got" imply that it's going ahead?
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Kindle and Nook yes.
Score.
These will cover a slightly broader period of time, late 3rd SW to early CI. We're still looking at ways to expand that, but these won't simply be the "Clan Invasion" volumes.
You guys are the worst. Now I really can't wait for these books. And I already regular couldn't wait for them to begin with.
Maybe called something like "TRO: Staples".
I like that.
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If that is a Banshee it's one we've never seen before
Looks like a pretty Stock 3S to me. New Art sure. But not a new machine.
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I'm sorry about that, and I know it doesn't salve the wound, but the decision was made and announced publicly around a year ago to move those rules to the Campaign Companion. So I know it's news to you, but it's not something we just now sprang on everyone.
Must have missed that announcement or it was in an obscure thread, I've only been skimming the forums for the last few years really. Will continue to wait patiently for the release :)
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Question: What will be in TRO 3150 that wasn't in the various XTRO 3145's?
A few designs from XTRO Republic I and II, era digest: dark age, and turning points irian, some new variants (including a fully new new tech, new upgrades section) and new notable pilot fluff
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While that's true,unless I'm greatly mistaken, those are specifically the primitive versions and not the later iterations.
No, the Mk I LAMs from TR3085 are the Royal variants. It's almost the opposite of Primitives; they're the earlier, more LosTech-packed, models.
I'm surprised no-one else has commented on this. Last I heard, Succession Wars had been vaguely talked about but was not concrete. Does this "We've got" imply that it's going ahead?
Because First Succession War and Second Succession War are listed on the Coming Releases page, and we talked about them a while ago, when Adrian Gideon first told us.
With the Mauraduer and the Warhammer back, does that mean some of the other designs are back also. The Clan refits also?
As Adrian mentioned earlier in the thread, the IICs are not currently being redrawn, but despite there being no current plan that doesn't mean there's no reason they won't be in the future. Just not right now.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the single critical slot Chemical/Double Strength Heat Sinks from Tales of the Black Widow Company made it into the book?
Replaced years ago with the "Freezers" in Starterbook: Sword and Dragon. IO does not include any items whose rules have changed and/or existence has been retconned away in previous Core Rulebooks.
...is the new art going to be slotted in on the MUL and AS cards available there, or are we still going to be stuck with these crappy silhouettes.
The entire point of the Classics Reimagined is to retcon away the existence of the Unseen. With no Unseen, there is no need to use stand-in art any longer. While I don't know if TR3039 will be revised - they already had to cut designs just to make the book a printable size - the MUL and AS cards will for-sure be updated.
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Because First Succession War and Second Succession War are listed on the Coming Releases page, and we talked about them a while ago, when Adrian Gideon first told us.
Perhaps I should have quoted the entire post to give a bit of context.
Maybe, but *if* so, it's on the back burner. Look at it this way, if I told you flat out "no, we don't want to and it will never happen!" -- would you believe me? We've got LAMS. We've got novels. We got Handbook: House Kurita and Interstellar Operations out.the.door. We've got plastic minis. We've got Succession Wars and Alpha Strike. We're covering all eras of the BattleTech Universe.
Never say never. How about, "not yet?" ;)
To me that reads as a list of things that were got
Resurrect unit type; new product line; very delayed products; new product line; Different scale game systems.
With Succession Wars being in the Different Scale Game Systems section, which immediately made me think of the rather old board game in my cupboard, then the mock up that was shown on the blog at some point.
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Oh, the new edition of the Succession Wars boardgame. Adrian Gideon mentioned a long time ago that they had started preliminary work on it. I think they still want to do it, but there's a lot of stuff coming out first.
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The entire point of the Classics Reimagined is to retcon away the existence of the Unseen.
I was wondering about that. Has it been stated anywhere explicitly that the classic unseen artwork is now non-canon? Because I was under the impression that the new art was supposed to depict contemporary variants in addition to (and not to the exclusion of) the unseen designs.
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This new artwork is replacement artwork. Hence that image is a Warhammer WHM-6R being piloted by Natasha Kerensky.
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I was wondering about that. Has it been stated anywhere explicitly that the classic unseen artwork is now non-canon? Because I was under the impression that the new art was supposed to depict contemporary variants in addition to (and not to the exclusion of) the unseen designs.
Well it does say:
We’ve spent the last half-year re-imagining the unseen BattleMechs that will always be one of the hallmarks of BattleTech. Our goal during all of this remains to merge 21st Century sensibilities with the classic lines that make those ’Mechs so near and dear to all of us.
And the Warhammer in the cover of that Combat Manual book, along with my recent avatar, IS Natasha Kerensky's Whammy.
So the Unseen are being replaced with these beauties.
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I was wondering about that. Has it been stated anywhere explicitly that the classic unseen artwork is now non-canon? Because I was under the impression that the new art was supposed to depict contemporary variants in addition to (and not to the exclusion of) the unseen designs.
Where did you get that impression? I ask because Ray and Randall seem to have been pretty clear that this is a massive and total replacement. A couple of fans have expressed your view, but that's just to reconcile their personal preferences, nostalgia, and/or collections of Unseen miniatures.
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ACS
Yeah it has an optional rule to use the planetary map in place of the blank hex map for the ground combat. Seems to leave the space portion unused though.
The system that uses both the planetary and space portions of the map is the old Planetary Assault system from BattleForce 2's box. ACS doesn't recreate every feature that it had so it may be worth checking out if you have access to it.
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I have just spent the last 3 hours catch-up on the 10 pages of this thread that appeared in the last 21 hours. Congrats to the CGL team, I think you have hit a
homerun with loaded bases three through armour critical hit on the centre torso - everybody is happy with the announcements O0
Thank you CGL team, I love the beautiful new art for the unseen classic mechs. They acknowledge and build on the legacy of the unseen art (gave me goosebumps and brought a tear to the corner of my eye). They capture where Battletech is now (the imagery is modern, realistic and practical) and is going for the future (will help new players to fall in love with the game and the classic mechs like us oldies did when we were young and impressionable).
The unseen mechs are dead. Long live the classic mechs! ("You can't beat a classic" ^-^ )
Congrats, well done and many thanks O0
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I got that impression because, well, nobody said that there was a retcon in the sense of retroactively removing the original unseen going on.
Somebody suggested a while back that contemporary 'Mechs of the same type could indeed look slightly different after all if they were built in factories 1500 lightyears apart, and 250 years apart from each other. No reason why the unseen couldn't still exist even when we got new art.
And for the record, my grognard heart doesn't hate the new art nearly as much as I hate the fugly PP freaccidents. I'm actually largely okay with what I've seen so far. I'm not raging, just wondering about a canon issue that needs to be adressed on Sarna - and I don't like jumping to conclusions for that purpose.
As for the WHM on the picture, it bears a Dragoon crest and something hourglass-y but no superimposed spider nor is it black in the strictest sense. Not necessarily Natasha's ride.
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Thank you CGL team, I love the beautiful new art for the unseen classic mechs. They acknowledge and build on the legacy of the unseen art (gave me goosebumps and brought a tear to the corner of my eye). They capture where Battletech is now (the imagery is modern, realistic and practical) and is going for the future (will help new players to fall in love with the game and the classic mechs like us oldies did when we were young and impressionable).
The unseen mechs are dead. Long live the classic mechs! ("You can't beat a classic" ^-^ )
I think this is a really great synopsis of what we've just seen happen. The Unseen may have been where BT started, but the designs were always questionably practical (that SRM pack on the Wammy, the Mad's questionable center of gravity, etc) and were always really someone else's stuff. To say nothing of the fact that only a very small percentage of BT players ever owned any of the cooresponding minis and none of them could be used in official events anyway.
These Classic designs are really the first time that BT has genuinely owned the mechs that are meant to be its core but they still manage nods to the original artwork. This can only help bring new blood into the game.
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Can we have some further clarification on redesigned minis? Are they just doing the previously unseen or can we expect perhaps a redesigned Stalker mini?
This is critical for Battletech's modern audience and it's long been my hope that we'll have the box set minis (the classics) updated to a modern standard.
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As for the WHM on the picture, it bears a Dragoon crest and something hourglass-y but no superimposed spider nor is it black in the strictest sense. Not necessarily Natasha's ride.
I'm flabbergasted, but fine, if that's how you feel.
We have a Mercenary Mech book cover.
All wearing Dragoon crests, red markings, even the Marauder looks like it is in a darker color scheme than the others.
All of them are Classics: Griffin, Marauder, and Warhammer.
Each of those Mechs were designs in N Kerensky's 3025 Command lance, but we're missing the Lynn Sheridan Crusader.
The Warhammer has an hourglass icon on it, regardless of it missing a superimposed spider.
If it looks like a Dragoon Widow, walks like a Dragoon Widow, and dispenses awesome PPC justice like a Dragoon Widow, chances are these are them.
Short of Natasha on the cover, stradding the Warhammer, screaming "Hooo boy how I love my Warhammer!" What else is there to be made?
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Can we have some further clarification on redesigned minis? Are they just doing the previously unseen or can we expect perhaps a redesigned Stalker mini?
This is critical for Battletech's modern audience and it's long been my hope that we'll have the box set minis (the classics) updated to a modern standard.
I would assume that any design that has been "plasticised" in the latest version of the Introductory Box Set and the CGL Lance Packs would probably remain the same. I would not expect CGL to go to the expense of getting the plastic molds made for them to become obsolete so quickly.
For me, a more interesting question is whether these new classic mechs will be released in plastic, pewter or both?
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I wonder what unit the Shadow Hawk is from, wasn't their a notable pilot in the original TRO:3025 who rode a Shadow Hawk and fought the Widows twice and survived?
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Short of Natasha on the cover, stradding the Warhammer, screaming "Hooo boy how I love my Warhammer!" What else is there to be made?
"Boy oh boy I love my WHM-6R Warhammer! I am so glad they never looked any different! I'm Natasha Kerensky! The real Natasha Kerensky, not some alternate universe version or a clone! It's 3025, and this is my WHM-6R!"
While I'm sure one of the developers will stop along and clarify that this is a retcon, that cover is crystal clear as to the intention behind the new designs.
I wonder what unit the Shadow Hawk is from, wasn't their a notable pilot in the original TRO:3025 who rode a Shadow Hawk and fought the Widows twice and survived?
Yup, Davion's Major Sergei Vang. It doesn't say what unit(s) he was with, though, just that he's an academy instructor on Doneval II.
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For me, a more interesting question is whether these new classic mechs will be released in plastic, pewter or both?
If they are going to be released as part of the Alpha Strike box set (strongly hinted earlier in the thread), I have to believe that they will be released as both plastic and pewter. Probably the latter first, followed by the former.
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Wow! Wow! Wow!
This is the most astonishingly good news I've heard (on any front) in some time!
It's like looking up to see an entire mountain of awesome!
I can't WAIT to see the new Locust!!!
:Jumpy: :Jumpy: :Jumpy: :Jumpy:
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So how long until we get to see all these redesigned mechs? Or have we already seen the ones that are done?
Will we see any preview minis at gencon like we did with the shadowrun minis? (I really hope these come out faster than the shadowrun minis :P )
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I got that impression because, well, nobody said that there was a retcon in the sense of retroactively removing the original unseen going on.
Somebody suggested a while back that contemporary 'Mechs of the same type could indeed look slightly different after all if they were built in factories 1500 lightyears apart, and 250 years apart from each other. No reason why the unseen couldn't still exist even when we got new art.
And for the record, my grognard heart doesn't hate the new art nearly as much as I hate the fugly PP freaccidents. I'm actually largely okay with what I've seen so far. I'm not raging, just wondering about a canon issue that needs to be adressed on Sarna - and I don't like jumping to conclusions for that purpose.
As for the WHM on the picture, it bears a Dragoon crest and something hourglass-y but no superimposed spider nor is it black in the strictest sense. Not necessarily Natasha's ride.
Those venerable 'Mechs many of us started playing BT with many years ago, and perhaps even recently started with, still exist in-universe. That art featured in TROs 3025 and 3050, for example, of the now-unseen can't be used so this is clearly a way of putting those beloved 'Mechs of the SW and CI eras back into publication. They can be used in any era they are available in. Right?
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I didn't expect so many great news, or to have them so soon - I really thought TPTB would keep everything tightly under wraps until GenCon. So very glad that the new novels will be available on Kindle. :)
However, I have a couple of questions.
1) The entry for ilClan states that it will mark "the final conclusion of the Dark Age era." Will a new era begin immediately after DA concludes, or will there be a time jump to a new era?
2) If I already have all the Field Manuals for the various factions, will I, as someone who does not play Alpha Strike, find anything new/useful in the Combat Manuals?
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Those venerable 'Mechs many of us started playing BT with many years ago, and perhaps even recently started with, still exist in-universe.
The stats and background still do. The visuals do not.
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Those venerable 'Mechs many of us started playing BT with many years ago, and perhaps even recently started with, still exist in-universe. That art featured in TROs 3025 and 3050, for example, of the now-unseen can't be used so this is clearly a way of putting those beloved 'Mechs of the SW and CI eras back into publication. They can be used in any era they are available in. Right?
In the absence of an explicit retcon, yeah, that's basically how I understand what's going on.
Sarna has been slammed in the past for small and rare instances of jumping to conclusions, which is why I'm extra cautious around this whole issue now.
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The stats and background still do. The visuals do not.
Yes, that is what I meant. The classic art cannot be used.
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Oh my god is the IO book awesome. Thank you.
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Yes, that is what I meant. The classic art cannot be used.
Yup-yup.
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To say nothing of the fact that only a very small percentage of BT players ever owned any of the cooresponding minis and none of them could be used in official events anyway.
That's pretty UN-true.
While I started gaming in '86, and we started off using the cardboard standups, most of us eventually started buying the minis, and we had MANY of the "Unseen" amongst us. Of course, this WAS over a decade before they were even Unseen. ^-^ If you check out this and other BT sites where there are a lot of Old Farts like myself, you'll Probably find a LOT of others that had the Unseen before they were Unseen. And before they became Unseen, they Most Definitely WERE used in Official Events. O0
As for the new artwork of Classic designs, I'm loving what I'm seeing so far, but I'm REALLY wanting to see the re-imaged Thunderbolt! [drool] I've a feeling that Gen Con 2016 will be showcasing a LOT of Reimaged minis from IWM! :Jumpy:
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Bought the IO beta as soon as I saw it last night. That opening story... I had to keep myself from squealing like a fangirl at the climax.
Now THAT is a proper introduction to mechs and what they brought to the early battlefield - terror at the big damn thing stomping all over your unit. Much better than the trial run story in the Star League Source Book at describing the awe and fear that they created when first deployed.
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I would assume that any design that has been "plasticised" in the latest version of the Introductory Box Set and the CGL Lance Packs would probably remain the same. I would not expect CGL to go to the expense of getting the plastic molds made for them to become obsolete so quickly.
For me, a more interesting question is whether these new classic mechs will be released in plastic, pewter or both?
I got the opposite impression, that they were redesigning everything from the ground up.
EDIT - Think about how the Stalker or Jenner looks on a modern table next to more recent IWM designs.
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I got the opposite impression, that they were redesigning everything from the ground up.
The unseen, so that they can actually be used by CGL/in events run by CGL. Not every 'mech or tank in the game is getting a rework, and until it's actually announced I wouldn't hold your breath on anything else from 2750 or 3039 getting redone.
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The unseen, so that they can actually be used by CGL/in events run by CGL. Not every 'mech or tank in the game is getting a rework, and until it's actually announced I wouldn't hold your breath on anything else from 2750 or 3039 getting redone.
Considering the 3039 dated designs are such a hot topic these days all over the internet I would think it's at least being considered. Just give me a glimmer of hope! :D
Like I mentioned above, there is a huge disparity between say, a Jenner or Stalker on the same table from the same game as say, the redesigned Warhammer in all it's current glory.
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No, they just put it in plastic . . . you do not like the current Stalker mini? Go get the Stalker II, it might be more pleasing to your eye in the 'modern' sense.
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/0/08/Stalker_II.jpg)
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That's pretty UN-true.
While I started gaming in '86, and we started off using the cardboard standups, most of us eventually started buying the minis, and we had MANY of the "Unseen" amongst us. Of course, this WAS over a decade before they were even Unseen. ^-^ If you check out this and other BT sites where there are a lot of Old Farts like myself, you'll Probably find a LOT of others that had the Unseen before they were Unseen. And before they became Unseen, they Most Definitely WERE used in Official Events. O0
I'm curious why you think that any of that invalidates my previous comments (other than my poorly crafted description of the availability of the Unseen minis).
Can you use a Glaug Marauder in an official event today? Or a Valkyrie Valkyrie? Sure, we used to be able to use them, but what good does that do anyone today?.
As for the availability of the minis, yes many of us do still have a *ahem* small army of them. I absolutely cherish my 3rd edition plastics (malformed though they may be). My Mad IIC is orobably the star of my collection. Again, though, how does that help the situation today?
All that being said... A) I just realized that I don't have ti try to salvage those old 3rd edition plastics for my newly planned SLDF army (hooray!) and B) Now I really wonder what the Classic Valkyrie is going to look like (please no football head).
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It would make an excellent tie-in with the first succession war product that was listed in the upcoming titles page.
Maybe called something like "TRO: Staples".
I still think a "through the ages" TRO, with a paragraph and reduced stat block for each "era" of a 'Mech, would be a good fit. Facing page can have Scroggin's new art in the foreground and primitive/reseen art for the other eras standing in background.
While I'm sure one of the developers will stop along and clarify that this is a retcon, that cover is crystal clear as to the intention behind the new designs.
In fairness, you can't expect people to look for that hourglass when the Warhammer looks tan (like the ancient boxed sets) instead of black, and this whole push *is* targeting an audience who've never seen the Widow's lance before (on account of them all being unseen).
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Maybe when the rules get a refresh and a new set of books in anoher decade or two we can have a one-stop campaign book :V
Unlikely- The campaign rules are so large at this point that fitting them into just one book would be nearly impossible. SO has campaign rules. About half of IO is campaign rules, the Campaign Book will be almost all campaign rules and we still have some more campaign rules related to ISW to expand on in later products, for example era specific rules to allow Clan Homeworlds and ComStar/WoB to be played as player factions.
So is it a good idea to get the IO Beta? Whats missing from it?
Many have answered you on the value. As for what's missing, nothing is missing. We will be fixing and tweaking the rules based on feedback, however everything we planned to be in the book is in the book right now.
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I still think a "through the ages" TRO, with a paragraph and reduced stat block for each "era" of a 'Mech, would be a good fit. Facing page can have Scroggin's new art in the foreground and primitive/reseen art for the other eras standing in background.
I love that idea! Kinda like some photos of US troops through the ages, where you might have a modern soldier in front and then iterations of the uniform stretching back to the Continental Army standing behind him.
In fairness, you can't expect people to look for that hourglass when the Warhammer looks tan (like the ancient boxed sets) instead of black, and this whole push *is* targeting an audience who've never seen the Widow's lance before (on account of them all being unseen).
I'm wondering if that wasn't an artistic choice, given the darkness of the background, and the desire to show off the new hotness designs to their best effect. Looking at the picture, I get the impression that they're supposed to be all black (or at most some sort of dark slate gray) but are being lit up by some light source being shined from the viewer's POV. Look at the Marauder and Griffin in the background -- they look closer to black or gray than Tasha's Whammie, which may be full on in a floodlight.
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I'm wondering if that wasn't an artistic choice, given the darkness of the background, and the desire to show off the new hotness designs to their best effect. Looking at the picture, I get the impression that they're supposed to be all black (or at most some sort of dark slate gray) but are being lit up by some light source being shined from the viewer's POV. Look at the Marauder and Griffin in the background -- they look closer to black or gray than Tasha's Whammie, which may be full on in a floodlight.
I'm pretty sure that's the idea. It looks fantastic.
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I was just taking a look at the IO cover again, and doews anyone mind if I take a crack at the identities of the people on the cover?
From left to right, I'm guessing: Devlin Stone, The Master, Victor Steiner-Davion, Natasha Kerensky, Aleksandr Kerensky and Takashi Kurita.
All in all, a nice overview of BT history there :)
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That's pretty UN-true.
While I started gaming in '86, and we started off using the cardboard standups, most of us eventually started buying the minis, and we had MANY of the "Unseen" amongst us. Of course, this WAS over a decade before they were even Unseen. ^-^ If you check out this and other BT sites where there are a lot of Old Farts like myself, you'll Probably find a LOT of others that had the Unseen before they were Unseen. And before they became Unseen, they Most Definitely WERE used in Official Events. O0
As for the new artwork of Classic designs, I'm loving what I'm seeing so far, but I'm REALLY wanting to see the re-imaged Thunderbolt! [drool] I've a feeling that Gen Con 2016 will be showcasing a LOT of Reimaged minis from IWM! :Jumpy:
+1
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I was just taking a look at the IO cover again, and doews anyone mind if I take a crack at the identities of the people on the cover?
From left to right, I'm guessing: Devlin Stone, The Master, Victor Steiner-Davion, Natasha Kerensky, Aleksandr Kerensky and Takashi Kurita.
All in all, a nice overview of BT history there :)
I still think that's Theodore Kurita. To my eye, it looks like the big picture in FM: Draconis Combine.
(And where's the blue eyes?)
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If that's Kerensky in the top right, I have to think it's the High Council at the time of the Amaris Coup; if that's a group of Jihad leaders instead, then I have to wonder who's walking around 3067-3070s looking like Aleksandr. (Or it could be Jihad leaders on the left, Amaris Coup era leaders on the right.)
I'm wondering if that wasn't an artistic choice, given the darkness of the background, and the desire to show off the new hotness designs to their best effect. Looking at the picture, I get the impression that they're supposed to be all black (or at most some sort of dark slate gray) but are being lit up by some light source being shined from the viewer's POV. Look at the Marauder and Griffin in the background -- they look closer to black or gray than Tasha's Whammie, which may be full on in a floodlight.
Sure, but you might not realize that if you don't take a moment to think about it, and my point is that nothing about the image (as fine as it is) really makes you stop for that moment.
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If that's Kerensky in the top right, I have to think it's the High Council at the time of the Amaris Coup; if that's a group of Jihad leaders instead, then I have to wonder who's walking around 3067-3070s looking like Aleksandr. (Or it could be Jihad leaders on the left, Amaris Coup era leaders on the right.)
Except I doubt it's showing only two eras in BT history. More likely, they're each supposed to represent an era:
Alek for the Star League;
Takashi/Theodore for the Succession Wars;
Tasha for the Clan Invasion;
Victor for the FedCom Civil War;
No points for guessing which era The Master represents ;)
And Devlin Stone for the RotS/Dark Age era.
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Unlikely- The campaign rules are so large at this point that fitting them into just one book would be nearly impossible. SO has campaign rules. About half of IO is campaign rules, the Campaign Book will be almost all campaign rules and we still have some more campaign rules related to ISW to expand on in later products, for example era specific rules to allow Clan Homeworlds and ComStar/WoB to be played as player factions.
Nonetheless, if (probably more like "when," just not any time soon I'd assume) the core rulebooks get another pass I feel like there's a lot of reorganization that could be done.
I understand why the books are the way the are, because content was compiled into books and printed as it was made even if it's incongruous with the rest of the book it's in, but now that it's all there it could be more logically sorted into books.
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I was pointed to this by a guy on the MC:Omnitech boards. (Thanks dude!)
My immediate reaction was the M.Bison YES! YES!
After hauling wood chips in the heat all morning, today just got a whole lot better. :Jumpy:
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will it possibly have a 3050 Invasion map of the inner sphere?
Too soon to tell.
How do you plan on differentiating books when we start doing the same factions again just in earlier or later time periods?
There are several possible avenues, but it's too soon to discuss that.
On a side note, with new art for old mechs, are books such as TRO3039 going to get an update/reprint to insert the new art and is the new art going to be slotted in on the MUL and AS cards available there, or are we still going to be stuck with these crappy silhouettes.
Forgive me if this has been answered already, but are they going to get a new TRO or are they just for future art and minis?
These would replace the silhouettes, yes. But at this point in time there's no reason to reprint Technical Readout: 3039.
I'm surprised no-one else has commented on this. Last I heard, Succession Wars had been vaguely talked about but was not concrete. Does this "We've got" imply that it's going ahead?
I meant First and Second Succession War books. I have no news about the board game, except that its neither gone nor forgotten.
I was wondering about that. Has it been stated anywhere explicitly that the classic unseen artwork is now non-canon? Because I was under the impression that the new art was supposed to depict contemporary variants in addition to (and not to the exclusion of) the unseen designs.
As a player, you have all your old material. Nothing can happen to that. Books and minis both in memory and future play, no one can say otherwise. And Sarna, as a wiki, reports OOC information about the game and universe.
However, as far as Catalyst is concerned, that cover artwork shows the machines of Natasha Kerensky, Colin McLaren and John Hayes, being attacked by Hansens Roughriders on Hesperus II in 3019.
And yes, the 'Mechs are black in a nighttime scene, lit up with red, yellow, blue and orange light from lasers, PPCs, autocannon fire and explosions. That's an hourglass on her abdomen, and a black widow on her far leg.
Are they just doing the previously unseen or can we expect perhaps a redesigned Stalker mini?
We are focusing on these core classic designs right now. Note that we just recent released an Alpha Strike Lance Pack with a Stalker, for example.
So how long until we get to see all these redesigned mechs?
Not as soon as anyone would like, but as soon as we're able. ;)
Will we see any preview minis at gencon like we did with the shadowrun minis?
Cross your fingers, and we might.
1) The entry for ilClan states that it will mark "the final conclusion of the Dark Age era." Will a new era begin immediately after DA concludes, or will there be a time jump to a new era?
2) If I already have all the Field Manuals for the various factions, will I, as someone who does not play Alpha Strike, find anything new/useful in the Combat Manuals?
1) There is a lot of story to tell both leading up to and around the story of IlClan, as well as some stories after, so we still have a bit of a ways to go before I can solidly answer that question.
2) Yes, I believe that a player with no interest in Alpha Strike and who is up to date on Field Manuals may find some interesting and useful fluff and serviceable rules, and I would recommend it—keeping in mind that there's no way I can guarantee that you may feel that way. You'd probably only have to take a chance on one to make a decision.
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1) There is a lot of story to tell both leading up to and around the story of IlClan, as well as some stories after, so we still have a bit of a ways to go before I can solidly answer that question.
Does this mean we're likely to see other sourcebooks or products that move the story forward before IlClan comes out?
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Except I doubt it's showing only two eras in BT history. More likely, they're each supposed to represent an era:
Alek for the Star League;
Takashi/Theodore for the Succession Wars;
Tasha for the Clan Invasion;
Victor for the FedCom Civil War;
No points for guessing which era The Master represents ;)
And Devlin Stone for the RotS/Dark Age era.
Got it. Although I think Alex used Stacy Church as a reference...
Folks have already caught the Succession Wars Board Game homage. There's another slight old-school nod here, I'm guessing it's far to subtle...
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Does this mean we're likely to see other sourcebooks or products that move the story forward before IlClan comes out?
TRO: 3150, the new Milestones series, possibly through some of the other new PDF series, and other concepts.
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Got it. Although I think Alex used Stacy Church as a reference...
Folks have already caught the Succession Wars Board Game homage. There's another slight old-school nod here, I'm guessing it's far to subtle...
No, we caught it, but I think it's in a different thread.
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TRO: 3150, the new Milestones series, possibly through some of the other new PDF series, and other concepts.
Neat! Looking forward to it.
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No, we caught it, but I think it's in a different thread.
Really? OK, what else is being references on the Interstellar Operations cover besides Succession Wars? :D
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So after a day of looking at the classic Warhammer I have one major problem, I like it far more then the project phoenix design. Any chance we can get to see more of the 3d models of the other designs? I love the marauder but the model and cover of the Warhammer has me changing my tune.
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So after a day of looking at the classic Warhammer I have one major problem, I like it far more then the project phoenix design. Any chance we can get to see more of the 3d models of the other designs? I love the marauder but the model and cover of the Warhammer has me changing my tune.
In Ray's words earlier in this thread, Not yet! :P
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Really? OK, what else is being references on the Interstellar Operations cover besides Succession Wars? :D
You know, I thought I knew, but then I checked something and discovered that I was remembering. But someone thought the one 'Mech, two vehicles, and one infantry was significant.
Got it. The cover of Rolling Thunder You really can't see it in the picture on the site, but it's clearer in the PDF.
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However, as far as Catalyst is concerned, that cover artwork shows the machines of Natasha Kerensky, Colin McLaren and John Hayes, being attacked by Hansens Roughriders on Hesperus II in 3019.
And yes, the 'Mechs are black in a nighttime scene, lit up with red, yellow, blue and orange light from lasers, PPCs, autocannon fire and explosions. That's an hourglass on her abdomen, and a black widow on her far leg.
"Being attacked" :)) Those dastardly Roughriders clearly defended first, how nasty on the nice Dragoons.
I expected the lance on the cover to be Kerensky's command lance and was just playing devil's advocate. (I didn't see the black widow on the leg, the picture is pretty small and I'm traveling so can only use my smartphone.)
The real question is: does this picture depict standard 'Mechs (WHM-6R MAD-3R,...) as they all look, or one possible appearance, leaving the TRO 3025 depiction still canonical?
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In Ray's words earlier in this thread, Not yet! :P
Well I have to say very nice work O0
Been staring at the models since yesterday and I love it.
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The real question is: does this picture depict standard 'Mechs (WHM-6R MAD-3R,...) as they all look, or one possible appearance, leaving the TRO 3025 depiction still canonical?
I believe the case is that the art of TRO 3025 can be as canonical as you want it to be, but is entirely non-canonical to Catalyst.
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Takashi/Theodore for the Succession Wars;
Ah! It is Takashi. In the PDF you can see scars on his face, which Theodore does not have.
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Thank you for answering my questions, Mr. Gideon. :) I now have another concerning the novels, if you'd be so kind: will there be only one series of new novels (starting with Shadows of Faith) that progresses chronologically through the Jihad, then the Republic Era, then Dark Age, then ilClan, or do you guys plan to also continue the DA novel series at the same time? In other words, will there be one series of new novels going forward in the timeline, or two?
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Got it. The cover of Rolling Thunder You really can't see it in the picture on the site, but it's clearer in the PDF.
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"Being attacked" :)) Those dastardly Roughriders clearly defended first, how nasty on the nice Dragoons.
Sorry, I was showing bias there. To quote a wise old Jedi, "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." :)
The real question is: does this picture depict standard 'Mechs (WHM-6R MAD-3R,...) as they all look, or one possible appearance, leaving the TRO 3025 depiction still canonical?
This is it.
will there be one series of new novels going forward in the timeline, or two?
I don't have an answer for you at this time, but I can point out that out of the four announced, only three are Jihad. So you can at least infer that we will not see Jihad novels exclusively.
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Okay, so we gotta way awhile before we see more images, but in the mean time how about a nice high rez of the combat manual artwork to decorate our desktops?
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I'm curious why you think that any of that invalidates my previous comments (other than my poorly crafted description of the availability of the Unseen minis).
Can you use a Glaug Marauder in an official event today? Or a Valkyrie Valkyrie? Sure, we used to be able to use them, but what good does that do anyone today?.
As for the availability of the minis, yes many of us do still have a *ahem* small army of them. I absolutely cherish my 3rd edition plastics (malformed though they may be). My Mad IIC is orobably the star of my collection. Again, though, how does that help the situation today?
All that being said... A) I just realized that I don't have ti try to salvage those old 3rd edition plastics for my newly planned SLDF army (hooray!) and B) Now I really wonder what the Classic Valkyrie is going to look like (please no football head).
I'm curious as to why people read more into what I type than what I actually type. ???
My post Quoted and Addressed the ONE sentence of yours that I intended to. Nothing more, nothing less. I never once typed that your Entire post was wrong or invalid, did I? No I did not. I addressed THIS Sentence here, and ONLY this one.
To say nothing of the fact that only a very small percentage of BT players ever owned any of the cooresponding minis and none of them could be used in official events anyway.
Again, THAT ONE SENTENCE is Incorrect, in MY Opinion. I agree 1000% with THIS sentence, However. O0
These Classic designs are really the first time that BT has genuinely owned the mechs that are meant to be its core but they still manage nods to the original artwork. This can only help bring new blood into the game.
This one applies to pretty much EVERY design when you think about it though, NOT just the "Unseen"/"Classics".
The Unseen may have been where BT started, but the designs were always questionably practical (that SRM pack on the Wammy, the Mad's questionable center of gravity, etc) and were always really someone else's stuff.
We're told that LRMs are long so as to have enough propellant to give them long range, right? So tell me how those 5' long suckers can make the bend from the torsos to the arms in the Shogun SHG-2E? ??? How does the ammo for the Arrow IV on the Thunder Hawk TDK-7KMA get from the LEGS to the arms? :o Both answers would lead to the deaths of MILLIONS of Catgirls! :D
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This is it.
You, uh, didn't actually answer his question. I'll simplify:
Do these new images represent:
A) a full replacement, that is, from this day forth all WHM-6Rs, etc., are ruled to look like the new art in-universe, or;
B) a "partial retcon," where some 'Mechs really did look like the old anime-licensed images, and the new art just represents certain factory variants?
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It's been answered before. It's A.
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A) a full replacement, that is, from this day forth all WHM-6Rs, etc., are ruled to look like the new art in-universe, or;
This is it.
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It's been answered before. It's A.
See my previous posts. I just wanted that little debate dead. ;)
This is it.
Rocking.
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UPDATE: I'M STILL SO FREAKIN' EXCITED!!!!!!
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This is it.
And now that it has clearly been stated with no possibility for any other interpretation I'm giddier then I can put into words.
This is something I've wanted for a very long time.
My deepest gratitude to CGL for finally getting this dead horse buried for what should be the final time.
Now back to pouring over Inner Sphere at War.
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Someone here was asking about GenCon stuff. Here's the full announcement. Scroll all the way down!
http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2015/07/25/catalyst-at-gen-con-2015/
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Okay, will we be able to buy the Kindle version of that novel when it hits the floor at GenCon? I know Amazon is tired of me hitting the refresh button at this point.
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Im sure it will thats pretty awesome that the first novel will be available at gencon
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This is it.
Got it. The official word is that the old unseen art has retroactively been replaced (not supplemented) by the new art, and is not canon anymore. Thanks for the clarification.
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Very, MechWarrior Online inspired the new Whammy and Mad and the rest. I approve!
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Someone here was asking about GenCon stuff. Here's the full announcement. Scroll all the way down!
http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2015/07/25/catalyst-at-gen-con-2015/
Hmmm, it says they'll be at GenCon 2014. :)
More seriously, is a bunch of text on the right side being cut off for anyone else on that announcement page?
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I'm curious as to why people read more into what I type than what I actually type. ???
My post Quoted and Addressed the ONE sentence of yours that I intended to. Nothing more, nothing less. I never once typed that your Entire post was wrong or invalid, did I? No I did not. I addressed THIS Sentence here, and ONLY this one.
Again, THAT ONE SENTENCE is Incorrect, in MY Opinion. I agree 1000% with THIS sentence, However. O0
This one applies to pretty much EVERY design when you think about it though, NOT just the "Unseen"/"Classics".
We're told that LRMs are long so as to have enough propellant to give them long range, right? So tell me how those 5' long suckers can make the bend from the torsos to the arms in the Shogun SHG-2E? ??? How does the ammo for the Arrow IV on the Thunder Hawk TDK-7KMA get from the LEGS to the arms? :o Both answers would lead to the deaths of MILLIONS of Catgirls! :D
I have several Unseen minis from way back when, including a LAM with a damaged wing in AirMech mode.
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I think it is smart of Catalyst to handle these is a replacement of the existing art. No reason for them to dance on the subject anymore.
Well...very LITTLE reason to. ;)
For myself, I'm going to take the idea of different factories making different looks, so new and old miniatures and art can be used on MY table.
I am definitely going to be getting the new minis though. I greatly hope that IWM brings at least one or two of these to Gencon as I REALLY want to buy them...;)
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It does make me wonder if IWM has any riot police standing by.
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Okay, will we be able to buy the Kindle version of that novel when it hits the floor at GenCon? I know Amazon is tired of me hitting the refresh button at this point.
Sure hope so, but based on past gencon releases of things, and the fact that CGL has to shut down their offices to staff GenCon, my money is on the e-novel coming out post-con.
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I don't have an answer for you at this time, but I can point out that out of the four announced, only three are Jihad. So you can at least infer that we will not see Jihad novels exclusively.
Again, Mr. Gideon, thank you for the prompt answer. I look forward to all the novels, Jihad-era or not. :)
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UPDATE: I'M STILL SO FREAKIN' EXCITED!!!!!!
Well then . . . go change your underwear! :D
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Damn I hate to see catalyst setting up in that same hall again. So freaking loud. Was that spot chosen by Catalyst or does gencon just keep sticking them there?
More seriously, is a bunch of text on the right side being cut off for anyone else on that announcement page?
That seems to be a yearly tradition for their gencon announcements.
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More seriously, is a bunch of text on the right side being cut off for anyone else on that announcement page?
For me as well
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ColBosch
Thanks but that's why I'm confused. References keep being made to more compact double heat sinks that used caustic chemicals but the Freezers are the same size as Standard DHS. The Bombard entry in TRO:3055U mentions more compact "Freezers" being used on the original but the RS shows single heat sinks. They're also mentioned in XTRO:Succession Wars a couple times, as maintaining the same weight and volume by using chemicals. And they're mentioned in H:War of 3039, SB:Sword & Dragon, and TechManual. So I keep expecting to see them but I haven't yet. So I am confused. :-\
Adrian Gideon
So PDF but not print. Yet. Cool. Thanks :)
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I just hope CGL and IWM will have enough stock of new MAD/WHR minis to satisfy all of us who will buy them by the company or battalion >:D
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ColBosch
Thanks but that's why I'm confused. References keep being made to more compact double heat sinks that used caustic chemicals but the Freezers are the same size as Standard DHS. The Bombard entry in TRO:3055U mentions more compact "Freezers" being used on the original but the RS shows single heat sinks. They're also mentioned in XTRO:Succession Wars a couple times, as maintaining the same weight and volume by using chemicals. And they're mentioned in H:War of 3039, SB:Sword & Dragon, and TechManual. So I keep expecting to see them but I haven't yet. So I am confused. :-\
I see where your confusion comes from. Any references to DHS-P maintaining the same volume is incorrect and should be reported as errata. XTRO: Succession Wars' record sheet even show the Super Griffin's DHS-P as taking up three critical spaces each despite the text saying the volume of each sink is the same. The Bombard, as you noted, never mounted any sort of DHS, so that line in TR3055U is another error.
Sorry, there just aren't any single-space double heat sinks; all Inner Sphere DHS take up three spaces, whether they date from the early Star League period or the 3040s. I'll go through and make the relevant errata reports.
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With the introduction of the new classic mechs I am assuming that the SLDF royal variants introduced during the Jihad will look like the classic models.
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Very, MechWarrior Online inspired the new Whammy and Mad and the rest. I approve!
The warhammer, at least, draws very heavily from Anthony Scroggins' original redesign, as the MAD-4X draws from his Maurauder. Of course, he is the artist of both those covers as well. The marauder on the combat manual cover is not the same as his redesign, particularly as it has the center mounted auto cannon, where his first one put it on the side torso to reflect the stats but other parts of the image are consistent with his first one. The battlemaster on the IO cover is very very unlike the MWO battlemaster - which is slightly ironic as the artist is Alex Iglesias in both cases.
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I just hope CGL and IWM will have enough stock of new MAD/WHR minis to satisfy all of us who will buy them by the company or battalion >:D
I hope so too, but really what level of game play would require that many minis?
*Looks at IO's strategic level stuff*
Oh, Ohhhhh well, talk about purchasing synergy eh? ^-^
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I assume any record sheet with a silhouette gets the new art
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I hope so too, but really what level of game play would require that many minis?
*Looks at IO's strategic level stuff*
Oh, Ohhhhh well, talk about purchasing synergy eh? ^-^
As I said before, I have Plans. Big Plans.
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I assume any record sheet with a silhouette gets the new art
That would be interesting see, but i have some doubts that TRO: 3039 and TRO:3085 Project Phoenix are going get redone.
Too much stuff coming in the pipe line i would imagine.
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That would be interesting see, but i have some doubts that TRO: 3039 and TRO:3085 Project Phoenix are going get redone.
Too much stuff coming in the pipe line i would imagine.
Why would they redraw the Phoenix designs? The post-3060whatever designs are still set in stone, aren't they?
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That would be interesting see, but i have some doubts that TRO: 3039 and TRO:3085 Project Phoenix are going get redone.
Too much stuff coming in the pipe line i would imagine.
I meant any time you see a silhouette, imagine in your mind the new art. I assume the MUL will be updated to accommodate the change when the time comes
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Why would they redraw the Phoenix designs? The post-3060whatever designs are still set in stone, aren't they?
Yes, though new art might always been done for future variants (as with TRO: Project Phoenix and TR3085).
Adrian Gideon has also said that TR3039 does not have an update planned at this time.
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I apologize if this has been addressed already but is there any word on what material will be used for the classic 20 sculpts? While I'd love multi-part plastic I wouldn't mind if IWM did them. No matter what format and material is used I'll buy bunches of them.
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I'm curious (though this a minor thing) if the Non-Mk 1 series LAM will get reimaged as well.
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I apologize if this has been addressed already but is there any word on what material will be used for the classic 20 sculpts? While I'd love multi-part plastic I wouldn't mind if IWM did them. No matter what format and material is used I'll buy bunches of them.
From what Adrian Gideon said earlier, that is still in the air.
I'm curious (though this a minor thing) if the Non-Mk 1 series LAM will get reimaged as well.
Canonically, there is a substantial difference in how the Mk I and Mk II LAMs looked, since the Mk Is would draw inordinate amounts of fire.
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Canonically, there is a substantial difference in how the Mk I and Mk II LAMs looked, since the Mk Is would draw inordinate amounts of fire.
I meant if the Mk II (I didn't know they were referred to that.) was going to get own new art as the regular Reimaged mechs are getting.
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So the first novel will be available at GenCon? Then my question is when and where can I order a paperback copy of the first novel?
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I meant if the Mk II (I didn't know they were referred to that.) was going to get own new art as the regular Reimaged mechs are getting.
I'm saying yes, the Mk II LAMs will need new art. They will not share that from TR3085. It will probably take some time, though.
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Why would they redraw the Phoenix designs? The post-3060whatever designs are still set in stone, aren't they?
RS 3085 has the 3050s "unseen", so that might someday be updated.
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remade "classics" LAM's? that would be awesome
especially if the result can share some elements with the MK.I's (including transformation elements) while still having mech modes that resemble variants of the 'classics' Wasp, stinger, and P-hawk.
of course.. given IWM still hasn't finished the Mk.I mini's for public sale yet, i'm not gonna hold my breath on Mk.II versions.
(though with classics made, my lance of the unseen's become even less useable.. :( )
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(though with classics made, my lance of the unseen's become even less useable.. :( )
You can still use them. I'm still going to use my Unseen in games.
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(though with classics made, my lance of the unseen's become even less useable.. :( )
It has done nothing to your collection.
What is has done is enabled CGL the ability to show off Classics in a early time frame.
It enables their future artists to make kick butt images for things like the Succession Wars.
It benefits IWM in a way that they can create minis that aren't Project Phoenix.
For experienced fans, it gives us a better explanation to newer fans than what we had in the past.
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I feel like the thread's title should be "relax, no one is going to take your minis away"
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They're not taken away. They're just now in the same category of the early Battledroids minis like the Battleaxe: they're Battletech minis that aren't valid representations of any canon designs.
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It has done nothing to your collection.
What is has done is enabled CGL the ability to show off Classics in a early time frame.
It enables their future artists to make kick butt images for things like the Succession Wars.
It benefits IWM in a way that they can create minis that aren't Project Phoenix.
For experienced fans, it gives us a better explanation to newer fans than what we had in the past.
actually i am aware of al lthat. was being a bit hyperboleic. but right now few will use LAM's in general, and with remade designs, the old mini's will still be unuseable in major events, even if the rules are in use for an event.. makes me more sad than upset really. i like the look of the unseen, though i'm glad that we'll finally be getting something to fill that visual void. and the new art does look awesome.
eh, i was only gonna use them in Alpha Strike anyway (the full game's LAM rules are complicated. AS's are fairly straight forward, and really allow me to play to a LAM's strengths..)
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They're just now in the same category of the early Battledroids minis like the Battleaxe: they're Battletech minis that aren't valid representations of any canon designs.
It's interesting to see this sentiment here, and yet I can click elsewhere on this board alone to see people state that you can use legos, poker chips, bits of paper and lint for those same designs. :)
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Klat- we are told the Alpha Strike Box Set will have plastic mechs of hopefully the Classics in company strength to face off with a binary of Clan machines. Since the Intro & Lance pack plastics used the same model as IWM metals I imagine they would be available to both . . . though I expect we get metal first.
Adrian- Lol, WYSIWYG vs let's just play!
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I look at it this way, if I am fielding a company+ force on a 3025 battlefield, then in the near future, I can have an unseen Thud mini, a primitive Thud mini and a classic Thud mini, and if pushed a reseen Thud mini on the table. Each miniature can represent different individual Thuds in my force and I will not need to worry about mistaking one mini for another even if they all are painted in the same camo scheme.
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I look at it this way, if I am fielding a company+ force on a 3025 battlefield, then in the near future, I can have an unseen Thud mini, a primitive Thud mini and a classic Thud mini, and if pushed a reseen Thud mini on the table. Each miniature can represent different individual Thuds in my force and I will not need to worry about mistaking one mini for another even if they all are painted in the same camo scheme.
They could be a heavy lance of four mechs that are not even thunderbolts.
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It's interesting to see this sentiment here, and yet I can click elsewhere on this board alone to see people state that you can use legos, poker chips, bits of paper and lint for those same designs. :)
First off, how is it a negative sentiment, or for that matter, inaccurate? Consider: the Battleaxe mini produced for Battledroids is a mini released for an earlier incarnation of the game. It has limited resemblance to the Battleaxe published in Tech Readout 3057, any more than the Firebee, Crossbow, Vulcan or Falcon do. The only Battledroids mini I can think of whose art was carried over exactly is the Bombadier.
How is that any different, then, for, say, an Unseen Warhammer or Shadow Hawk mini? Are they unquestionably Battletech minis? Yes. Are they minis for their respective units? Yes. Do they match the canon artwork? No - they're from an earlier incarnation of the game, whose art has been decanonized, just like the Battledroids art for the Battleaxe.
Second, I don't think the handful of people who aren't thrilled with the Unseen art being decankmized aren't thrilled because they believe they'll no longer be able to use their old minis or books. I suspect it's more that the image they've had for those units for however long (27 years, for example, in my case since I started playing) is no longer canon, and that, unlike Phoenix, which said "that's not what the new builds look like", it's saying, "they never looked like that at all."
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I'm saying yes, the Mk II LAMs will need new art. They will not share that from TR3085. It will probably take some time, though.
No decision has been made on the MK II LAMs at this time. When we created the art for the MK I we hadn't really cracked the concept of how to deal with the Unseens so the MK I was a reverse chronology Project Phoenix idea.
You will all have to wait until Catalyst decides what, if anything they want to do about the MK II LAM art.
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It has done nothing to your collection.
What is has done is enabled CGL the ability to show off Classics in a early time frame.
It enables their future artists to make kick butt images for things like the Succession Wars.
It benefits IWM in a way that they can create minis that aren't Project Phoenix.
For experienced fans, it gives us a better explanation to newer fans than what we had in the past.
And for an old timer like me I look at the new Warhammer and think... Damn... that looks better than the old robotech iconic image. It looks close enough to the old unseen while looking much much better than the reseen.
As for my Company/Battalion comment, I have 3 merc units that could benefit from multiple painted minis plus any House units I may play (most of my heavy and assault lances have at least 1 warhammer or marauder).
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If they are selling them at Gencon my hope is they would limit them to one per customer so as to share the love. There is always someone who wants to buy up everything.
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Rest assured as soon as those MAD'S go up on the webstore I'm buying a crap-ton of them!
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There are over 14 pages on here and I have seen mostly a lot of congrats on the artwork but does that mean too that they will do mini's as well?
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Klat- we are told the Alpha Strike Box Set will have plastic mechs of hopefully the Classics in company strength to face off with a binary of Clan machines. Since the Intro & Lance pack plastics used the same model as IWM metals I imagine they would be available to both . . . though I expect we get metal first.
Seems the hinting is most the Classics will be in the Alpha Strike Box Set . . .
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There are over 14 pages on here and I have seen mostly a lot of congrats on the artwork but does that mean too that they will do mini's as well?
Yes. I'd recommend going back and rereading the announcement--lots of good stuff in there, including the rendering of a mini prototype.
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These would replace the silhouettes, yes. But at this point in time there's no reason to reprint Technical Readout: 3039.
Well I don't do dead tree, so an update of the PDF at least would be super neat.
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Whatever format is chosen for the minis I just want to be clear; all my money.
ALL MY MONIES!
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I'm not going to stop using my Unseen mini's. But they may look like bad periphery knockoffs next to the new hotness if the mini's are as good as the art. I suspect the Mini's will be fantastic also, lots of effort getting put into this. I'll be purchasing them by the lance load.
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ColBosch
Bummer. :( I liked that there were smaller but more dangerous ones available. Oh well.
The fluff for the Bombard would need to be changed in two places. The part in Capabilities where it talks about replacing the doubles with singles and in the Variants section where it talks about how the few original Bombards left have weakened structures do to corrosion from the chemicals.
It does make me wonder if that Hoff scenario will ever be revised because it's no longer a Class A (Field) Refit but a Class C (Maintenance) Refit which takes twice as long.
Thanks. And thanks for sending in the errata report. :)
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It's interesting to see this sentiment here, and yet I can click elsewhere on this board alone to see people state that you can use legos, poker chips, bits of paper and lint for those same designs. :)
Well, yeah, but there's the difference between playing in your garage and playing at a convention.
At home, nobody cares how you mess with the rules, what you use for maps, or for playing pieces... or if you gut the entire setting and try to run a My-Little-Pony/Pokemon/Star-Wars mashup. Anything goes.
However, there is an "Accepted Standard" presented in the rulebooks and source materials. As a Demo team member, you can't really go to a con and play with your own gutted rehash of Battletech, because you're trying your best to present the game as-is. Further, there are some minis you can bring, some minis you can't - that's the legal cross we have to bear. Likewise, as a player, you can't expect that your house rules, custom designs, or the like that you get cozy with at home are going to apply with every group out there - or that you can go about imposing your house rules on random strangers at the drop of a hat.
That's why there IS a rulebook, of course. It presents the rules as they're meant to be played. Where you go from there is fine so long as everyone present is in agreement.
As for me, I wasn't alive to buy the old Battledroids stuff, and haven't really been compelled to go out to look for the old leads on the second-hand market. I managed to get some of the 3rd edition boxed unseen as a second-hand thing, but again, I could never use them for demo games. I have my fingers crossed that these mechs will be made available separately as their own Alpha Strike packs, rather than mixed in with the old in-house'ers like Trebuchets and Banshees. I wouldn't mind getting them in pewter, either, but I have a feeling that a lot of us, myself included, intend to buy these up in bulk.
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Can anyone confirm if the "sample of a certain miniature" Will or Will NOT be available for sale at GC? I'm Guessing "Not", and it will simply be in a display case to show it off, like the AS Lance Packs and SR minis at GC last year.
I'd Very Much lilke to be WRONG though! [drool]
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I doubt the new designs will be ready for GC, at least not in any significant number to be worth more than a demo. Then again... how long till GC?
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I doubt the new designs will be ready for GC, at least not in any significant number to be worth more than a demo. Then again... how long till GC?
Shirley, You Jest! :D
I'm leaving in 3 days, the Con starts in 4. However, we don't know how long they've been sitting on this either. ??? Wasn't it GC '13 where they were giving away the Premium plastic Battlemaster and Mad Cat (the ones from the "Newest" box Set), with certain purchases? They might do the same thing this year. [drool]
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Nice to see that Catalyst has finally grown a pair.
With a lot of test cases in the recent past, GW vs Chapterhouse for one, it was plain enough that so long as the miniatures didnt exactly match other companies IP there was little they could actually do but grumble. Too much was lost due to running in fear from IP infringement claims.
If Reaper CAV can make not-Battlemechs without effective opportunity complaint you can make not-unseen.
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No decision has been made on the MK II LAMs at this time. When we created the art for the MK I we hadn't really cracked the concept of how to deal with the Unseens so the MK I was a reverse chronology Project Phoenix idea.
You will all have to wait until Catalyst decides what, if anything they want to do about the MK II LAM art.
Crap...I suspected that was going to be the case. Thank you for answering our questions/concerns about it. I would thought that if you guys going course of re-imaging...that your crew could have make them hybrid of Mk I and reImaged mechs.
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:o ;D 8) OMG!!! Its about time they did this! What took you so long to get this done. One thing I love the Warhammer . I always thought the unseen design should have gotten a Battletech sense with the image. I can't wait to see the rest of the images.
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Actually I want to see the new Stinger and Wasp more than anything. The most common mechs, staples of units thought the known worlds, and yet absent so long. Back in the old scenario packs it was almost obligatory to have a pair of Stingers to make up the numbers, even in an elite assault company.
Though a proper brooding Marauder with the autocannon in a casemate, rather than the very bland reseen model. I am, pleased as punch to see that again.
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Crap...I suspected that was going to be the case. Thank you for answering our questions/concerns about it. I would thought that if you guys going course of re-imaging...that your crew could have make them hybrid of Mk I and reImaged mechs.
Frankly, I wouldn't worry about it. It won't be anytime soon, but I would lay money on it happening sooner or later.
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Out of curiosity, I read the primer on the Combat Manual Mercenaries books, and from what I can tell, it sounds a lot like the old Field Manual series of books.
Can anyone tell me if they're mostly just the spiritual successor of the Field manual books for the modern era, or are there any major differences I should be aware of? I read something about it being for Alpha Strike, but I can't imagine it being so alpha strike specific that it wouldn't be useful for standard Battletech games and campaigns, right?
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As I understand it, it's not going to be nearly as detailed as the field manuals.
So rather than:
"first regiment is as 95% fighting strength with 43 battlemechs, 24 support tanks,...."
You'll get more like:
"Fed suns really love their autocannons"
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I read something about it being for Alpha Strike, but I can't imagine it being so alpha strike specific that it wouldn't be useful for standard Battletech games and campaigns, right?
From the sound of things, they are primarily meant as Alpha Strike supplements that will include some useful/interesting information for Total Warfare.
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Yes. I'd recommend going back and rereading the announcement--lots of good stuff in there, including the rendering of a mini prototype.
No need for me to go back and read. Just what you said is enough to make me very happy!!!
However now for a question as a demo team member. With the classics being done when they are released can we use those in legal tournaments?
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Lol, that was the point of reading . . . it is so they can officially represented on the table and other game material.
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Except I doubt it's showing only two eras in BT history. More likely, they're each supposed to represent an era:
Alek for the Star League;
Takashi/Theodore for the Succession Wars;
Tasha for the Clan Invasion;
Victor for the FedCom Civil War;
No points for guessing which era The Master represents ;)
And Devlin Stone for the RotS/Dark Age era.
Got it. Although I think Alex used Stacy Church as a reference...
They're not all the best fits, but okay, I get what you're going for now. Guess this also means Stone has the pivotal role in the run up to ilClan.
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You could always say he ushered it in pushing disarmament.
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This is it.
One more bit of clarification if I may. 22 is the magic number given for the number of re-imagined classics (right now), and my immediate thought is that the LAMs would be left out of this. However, the classic OST series fairly recently returned from the ranks of the Unseen due to being very different from the Regult Pods that inspired them, leaving open the possibility that the LAMs could be included instead. So... will the classic OSTs be re-imagined as well?
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Are you talking about the Alpha Strike Box? Which is stated to be IS Company vs Clan Binary?
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Are you talking about the Alpha Strike Box? Which is stated to be IS Company vs Clan Binary?
I wasn't aware of that, thank you, but the question of the OSTs still remains.
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I wasn't aware of that, thank you, but the question of the OSTs still remains.
Man, I hope they're redone.
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One more bit of clarification if I may. 22 is the magic number given for the number of re-imagined classics (right now), and my immediate thought is that the LAMs would be left out of this. However, the classic OST series fairly recently returned from the ranks of the Unseen due to being very different from the Regult Pods that inspired them, leaving open the possibility that the LAMs could be included instead. So... will the classic OSTs be re-imagined as well?
As much as I'd like to see LAMs in plastic.. I doubt they'd appear in the box set even if they are redone. They are era specific, use exotic rules (less so in alpha strike perhaps but still) and are not all that popular. Plus I suspect that any redone LAMs will include art and mini's for the alternate modes like the mk.1's did.
I think I'd rather see some of the designs from tro3050 get added to pad out the force, if more than the classics are needed.
That said, if it is company vs binary.. I'd imagine ten of the popular omnimechs from the invasion, vs a mix of classics. And some of the others from tro3050.
Personally I'd also pick IS mechs that have 'C' refits or variants (good ones) later on in the timeline, which would let you field a 2nd line or garrison force of two binaries using the box.
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Out of curiosity, I read the primer on the Combat Manual Mercenaries books, and from what I can tell, it sounds a lot like the old Field Manual series of books.
Can anyone tell me if they're mostly just the spiritual successor of the Field manual books for the modern era, or are there any major differences I should be aware of? I read something about it being for Alpha Strike, but I can't imagine it being so alpha strike specific that it wouldn't be useful for standard Battletech games and campaigns, right?
I asked a similar question earlier in the thread. Here's a quote of that question, along with the answer Adrian Gideon gave me.
2) If I already have all the Field Manuals for the various factions, will I, as someone who does not play Alpha Strike, find anything new/useful in the Combat Manuals?
2) Yes, I believe that a player with no interest in Alpha Strike and who is up to date on Field Manuals may find some interesting and useful fluff and serviceable rules, and I would recommend it—keeping in mind that there's no way I can guarantee that you may feel that way. You'd probably only have to take a chance on one to make a decision.
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I would really, really like to see a new Archer... At the very least some of the concept art. I realise the miniatures are coming (in plastic, please, the new plastics are brilliant) and people are champing at the bit to see them, but for now I'll be happy with a new book cover or something featuring a painting of one of my favourite models.
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I wasn't aware of that, thank you, but the question of the OSTs still remains.
Work is being done on the OST series as well.
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in plastic, please, the new plastics are brilliant
This.
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I would really, really like to see a new Archer...
if you nose around on the deviant art page of the artist who's doing the reworked mechs, you find this little beauty.
http://orig13.deviantart.net/c663/f/2012/187/f/0/battle_mech___dragoons_archer_by_shimmering_sword-d5693r5.jpg
some of the other pieces on his account bear striking resemblances to the final products we saw in the new official art preivew (whammy (http://pre06.deviantart.net/c06a/th/pre/f/2012/121/1/3/battletech___kell_hounds_warhammer_by_shimmering_sword-d4y7z3u.jpg) and mad (http://orig15.deviantart.net/0521/f/2012/089/d/a/battletech___grey_death_marauder_by_shimmering_sword-d4ugbiu.jpg), among others). no guarantees but i'd bet it will be in the neighborhood
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Now that looks like a proper Archer O0
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It's seeing Natasha Kerensky's WHM-6R Warhammer on a cover again.
I admit it...I whooped out loud in public when I saw just WHAT Warhammer it actually was...and with the others in Wolf's Dragoons colors, I realized that it was The Black Widow Company on a cover again!
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AAAW YEAH! Finally I can talk a little bit about this! It's hard pretending you don't know anything :P
That Warhammer CG model was made by me and for this project I'm contracted to do several more! So if you guys like the mini's I've made in the past you know what you're in for :)
Beautiful work. I am looking forward to the rest of it!
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I kinda can guess at the answer, but is there any ETA on when we can expect to see more of the (insert term of choice here) Battlemechs? After seeing that Whammie, I cannot wait to see more!
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I kinda can guess at the answer, but is there any ETA on when we can expect to see more of the (insert term of choice here) Battlemechs? After seeing that Whammie, I cannot wait to see more!
So how long until we get to see all these redesigned mechs?
Will we see any preview minis at gencon like we did with the shadowrun minis?
Cross your fingers, and we might.
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I can't wait to see the re-imagined Goliath and the Scorpion.
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Lol, that was the point of reading . . . it is so they can officially represented on the table and other game material.
Thank you Colt. That saved me a lot of reading :)
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I can't wait to see the re-imagined Goliath and the Scorpion.
Oooh! Yeah!! Me too! O0
Although I've already got 16+ of each of those 2 Unseen Minis! :D
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Is the Pheonix Hawk, Wasp, and Stinger on the list to be redone??
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Is the Pheonix Hawk, Wasp, and Stinger on the list to be redone??
They're members of the 22, so that would be a yes
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Is the Pheonix Hawk, Wasp, and Stinger on the list to be redone??
"The re-designing of the unseen BattleMechs that was accomplished as part of Project Phoenix ..."
So all Unseens will be redone, Ost'Mechs included.
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Although I've already got 16+ of each of those 2 Unseen Minis! :D
Ha, I'm with you. I have 14 Ral Partha Warhammers, and 8 RTT Tomahawks. I'll still be getting a Lance of the new WHM 6R's minimum, probably more. I imagine at least a lance of each of the others as well.
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if you nose around on the deviant art page of the artist who's doing the reworked mechs, you find this little beauty.
http://orig13.deviantart.net/c663/f/2012/187/f/0/battle_mech___dragoons_archer_by_shimmering_sword-d5693r5.jpg
some of the other pieces on his account bear striking resemblances to the final products we saw in the new official art preivew (whammy (http://pre06.deviantart.net/c06a/th/pre/f/2012/121/1/3/battletech___kell_hounds_warhammer_by_shimmering_sword-d4y7z3u.jpg) and mad (http://orig15.deviantart.net/0521/f/2012/089/d/a/battletech___grey_death_marauder_by_shimmering_sword-d4ugbiu.jpg), among others). no guarantees but i'd bet it will be in the neighborhood
Could you provide a link to the gallery these came from?
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Could you provide a link to the gallery these came from?
Shimmering-Sword (Anthony Scroggins) (http://shimmering-sword.deviantart.com/)
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"The re-designing of the unseen BattleMechs that was accomplished as part of Project Phoenix ..."
So all Unseens will be redone, Ost'Mechs included.
I was talking of them being redone again.
A Project Phoenix Part 2.
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guysguysguysguysguys
they might make post-civil war classic variants now
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I was talking of them being redone again.
A Project Phoenix Part 2.
Yes, 'Mechs such as PXH-1 Phoenix Hawk, WSP-1A Wasp or STG-3R Stinger will be redone too.
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I'm curious where they'll be show cased. From previous threads here and else where, they won't be in any book I know of with possible hint of XTRO: Succession Wars, but those are experimental machines like the MAD-4X Marauder.
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guysguysguysguysguys
they might make post-civil war classic variants now
No they won't. Everything post-Civil War is going to be a Phoenix design. That was the in-universe for Project Phoenix in the first place: to update the Classics with new looks to go with their new weapons and gear rather than them being just another refit.
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No they won't. Everything post-Civil War is going to be a Phoenix design. That was the in-universe for Project Phoenix in the first place: to update the Classics with new looks to go with their new weapons and gear rather than them being just another refit.
There were refitted unseens, the Shadow Hawk 3K is refit. When they went to show image of it, it was a silhouette. it's being still deployed way after the Jihad.
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I'm curious where they'll be show cased. From previous threads here and else where, they won't be in any book I know of with possible hint of XTRO: Succession Wars, but those are experimental machines like the MAD-4X Marauder.
They said they are not going to reprint TRO3039 (and I guess probably not TRO3025 either).
Perhaps some special AS Box Set Companion?
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No they won't. Everything post-Civil War is going to be a Phoenix design. That was the in-universe for Project Phoenix in the first place: to update the Classics with new looks to go with their new weapons and gear rather than them being just another refit.
yeah, they've never changed the conditions of the game universe to accommodate real-world changes.
oh wait
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I believe the Combat Manual series will include "mini TROs" perhaps the new art will be there.
I know that a lot of people are hopeful for plastics but I'd like to take a moment to plug metal. I love multi-part models and while I certainly wouldn't mind plastic I'd love metal; I'm far more comfortable working with metal than plastic.
Are there any other metal heads here?
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What I would like to see with that is that the base model be made in plastic ie Mad-3R, but with the metals you get options to make Mad-3D,3M,3L etc and that both the plastic and the metal be about the same scale. That would be awesome!
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I believe the Combat Manual series will include "mini TROs" perhaps the new art will be there.
I know that a lot of people are hopeful for plastics but I'd like to take a moment to plug metal. I love multi-part models and while I certainly wouldn't mind plastic I'd love metal; I'm far more comfortable working with metal than plastic.
Are there any other metal heads here?
I too would like to see the new classic minis in metal. I'm more comfortable working in that medium as well.
(That's not to say plastic wouldn't be great too!!)
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What I would like to see with that is that the base model be made in plastic ie Mad-3R, but with the metals you get options to make Mad-3D,3M,3L etc and that both the plastic and the metal be about the same scale. That would be awesome!
+1
I used to prefer metal, but the new Alpha Strike lance boxes are really great as blank canvases to add extra bits to without the fiddly construction.
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There were refitted unseens, the Shadow Hawk 3K is refit. When they went to show image of it, it was a silhouette.
Actually, the record sheet for it and the Wolverine 8M use the old TRO: 3050 art - which will now be replaced at some point.
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Price wise I would prefer plastic. Still looks as good as metal but way less expense.
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I also would prefer plastic, at least for now but metal minis of these beauties are certainly welcome in the future. O0
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Would it be to hard for the miniatures that are comming out as both plastic and metal??
Just rememberd the old Clan Box Omni set having both.
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If i understand correctly the plastic AS Lance packs are produced or at least distributed directly by CGL. All metal ones are IWM.
I would expect the new Classics to become top sellers. While i would understand CGL to take all the credits, i would like to see IWM granted their share for supporting us so long with each and every (often unloved) metal mini over the past.
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While I absolutely love the new plastics, for me the answer is "whatever gets them on my painting desk quicker". As long as they don't go gonzo with the fiddly metal parts (reseen Archer, I'm looking at you! :D )
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Is Combat Manuals a good spot for that? For the new Classics to be placed as TRO style? Not everyone into Alpha Strike.
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We already know there will be lots of info in those books for non-AS players. There's no reason to assume that people who don't play AS won't buy it.
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Well, Adrian offered a opinion on that, and then covered with YMMV.
HOWEVER . . . we have only seen the cover art for one novel? What about the other 3? Might we have NOT seen a picture of them until this announcement? They will also be available for art & covers in the new 1st Succession War and 2nd Succession War sourcebooks that have been mentioned . . .
Heck, I have not looked completely though IO, but the finished product could have them as art in it as well.
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There's (quite nice) cover art for Shadows of Faith in 25 years of Art and Fiction. No idea if they're still going to use it though.
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There's (quite nice) cover art for Shadows of Faith in 25 years of Art and Fiction. No idea if they're still going to use it though.
I think they'll use it. Art pretty expensive investment, if you have it made. People should be seeing it, so they'll re-purpose it in actual cover i think. 25 years of Art and Fiction was a great book until it had to be re-edited due to "issues" I'm not entirely sure a lot people saw it.
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The limit of the editing to 25 Years of Art and Fiction was to remove the Macross images. That's it.
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Can't wait to buy some Unseen.
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So I wonder what day during GenCon we will be seeing the rest of the designs, and when will the Master Unit List be updated?
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So I wonder what day during GenCon we will be seeing the rest of the designs, and when will the Master Unit List be updated?
There's been no word as to how far long the redesign process is. Hopefully we'll find out more at the CGL seminar.
Randall did say on tumblr that they might have some prototype Warhammer minis on display.
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Will that be on Thursday?
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Thursday at 9PM, according to this thread (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/general-discussion/what's-up-with-battletech-at-gencon/?all)
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Is Combat Manuals a good spot for that? For the new Classics to be placed as TRO style? Not everyone into Alpha Strike.
I think they are the best place, for a couple of reasons. Though I am 100% positive that plenty of other longtime players share your concerns for the exact same reason.
Alpha Strike is a lot easier for new(er) players to get a handle on. Less fiddling with hexes, fewer dice rolls, and (a lot) less chart-consulting. That alone makes the Combat Manuals a great place to (re)introduce the core battlemechs.
Also, it occurred to me a few months ago while I was flipping through some of the old Field Manuals, but Battletech has always hidden rules behind pages and pages of... stuff. If you wanted to get new rules for third ed. Mechwarrior, you basically had to buy a $30 book for, maybe, ten pages of life track options.
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So how long before we see a new Box Set with the Warhammer art on it?
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So how long before we see a new Box Set with the Warhammer art on it?
I would guess it will be a strong candidate for the Alpha Strike box. It would be a nice homage to the oldschool cover art.
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There's (quite nice) cover art for Shadows of Faith in 25 years of Art and Fiction. No idea if they're still going to use it though.
So, dd Loren fiinally get aroound t writing more of it? Or is it still, entirely the Book I from BattleCorps?
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It would be a nice homage to the oldschool cover art.
I think its THE shot we are all expecting and hungering for.
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Work is being done on the OST series as well.
[applause]
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I would guess it will be a strong candidate for the Alpha Strike box. It would be a nice homage to the oldschool cover art.
Seyla!
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I'm really interested to see what the Classic Archer is going to look like.
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I suspect there is a good chance it will look similar to this:
http://shimmering-sword.deviantart.com/art/Battle-Mech-Dragoons-Archer-312833345
I know they have a couple artists doing these so it may not. But Shimmering Sword is one of them, and that is a Bad Ass Archer.
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So, dd Loren fiinally get aroound t writing more of it? Or is it still, entirely the Book I from BattleCorps?
Hopefully, it has been a couple of years since Herb said it was still unfinished.
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So, dd Loren fiinally get aroound t writing more of it? Or is it still, entirely the Book I from BattleCorps?
I am not a TPTB. But IIRC, Loren only published 10 chapters or so of SoF on BC.com. That's novella size, not novel.
Either they're using really BIG PRINT, or it may be safe to deduce additional content. Not a sure thing, I know, but ...
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I suspect there is a good chance it will look similar to this:
http://shimmering-sword.deviantart.com/art/Battle-Mech-Dragoons-Archer-312833345
I know they have a couple artists doing these so it may not. But Shimmering Sword is one of them, and that is a Bad Ass Archer.
Yeah I need that. I've always liked the Archer. It's a classic. It speaks to me more than the other originals for some reason. That interpretation has the classic elements but pushes them to a more current standard of mech art in the game.
I'm sure there will be at least a company of those around my house at some point. I fully plan to introduce my boys to the game and since one of them sharss the name...
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I could see that in a blue and gold paint scheme...
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I could see that in a blue and gold paint scheme...
[drool]
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I could see that in a blue and gold paint scheme...
Next to another one in a red and black paint scheme ^-^
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Stuff the Archer, I want the Thud!
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I have become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
Thank you Battletech and Catalyst for the nuke rules.
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I have become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
So you are now Herb.
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Next to another one in a red and black paint scheme ^-^
Or 44. I HAVE PLANS.
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I have become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
Thank you Battletech and Catalyst for the nuke rules.
More interesting than the nuke rules we got in Jihad 3072, or Reunification War?
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More interesting than the nuke rules we got in Jihad 3072, or Reunification War?
Yes. Dial-A-Nuke rules return!
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Holding a Warhammer miniature prototype in my hands.
Pictures later today.
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Holding a Warhammer miniature prototype in my hands.
Pictures later today.
[drool]
:o
Excuse me, I just slammed my head against my monitor.
I thought I'd be able to transport myself over there, cheesy 90s TV style.
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Holding a Warhammer miniature prototype in my hands.
Pictures later today.
Tease.... :D
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More interesting than the nuke rules we got in Jihad 3072, or Reunification War?
Yes you can. Because you can make customs. So here I was making nuke rules for every nuke that the US came up with while on some down time at work.
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Holding a Warhammer miniature prototype in my hands.
Pictures later today.
Get that thing in the hands of the CSO guys, STAT! [whipit]
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Get that thing in the hands of the CSO guys, STAT! [whipit]
Remember, Ray *is* one of the CSO guys O0
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;)
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Remember, Ray *is* one of the CSO guys O0
Pft, Ray hasn't put a brush to a 'Mech since like 2009... I was there, I saw! :D
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Couldn't be a better time to pick up a brush again. :)
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Couldn't be a better time to pick up a brush again. :)
Actually I'd like to get a look at it unpainted, at least a part of it, just to see what color plastic it's in and what the surface finish looks like. If you wouldn't mind.
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It's a prototype, so all that's irrelevant.
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Prototype = 3d printed most likely
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Finally can recreate the Gray death legion without looking for all those pesky unseens. >:D
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Pft, Ray hasn't put a brush to a 'Mech since like 2009... I was there, I saw! :D
It would be 2011, when Ray painted two mechs for me that went on the cake at my wedding. My wife actually let me do that. Lol
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Finally can recreate the Gray death legion without looking for all those pesky unseens. >:D
For me it's the classic Black Widow Company that is waiting for minis. [drool]
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It would be 2011, when Ray painted two mechs for me that went on the cake at my wedding. My wife actually let me do that. Lol
pics
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The new designs of the Classics do remind me of the MWO look of 'Mechs. I wonder if there was or is some cross-designing going on, and if MWO will consider changing their existing Unseen to match this new art?
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The new designs of the Classics do remind me of the MWO look of 'Mechs. I wonder if there was or is some cross-designing going on, and if MWO will consider changing their existing Unseen to match this new art?
My geuss is no.
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The new designs of the Classics do remind me of the MWO look of 'Mechs. I wonder if there was or is some cross-designing going on, and if MWO will consider changing their existing Unseen to match this new art?
It's no coincidence, as the same artist is designing for both, but MWO and BattleTech are different properties and visuals cannot be directly shared between them. They can, however, be VERY VERY similar to each other.
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The new designs of the Classics do remind me of the MWO look of 'Mechs. I wonder if there was or is some cross-designing going on, and if MWO will consider changing their existing Unseen to match this new art?
I doubt they'd change anything in the game, however, there is a group of Unseen that hasn't appeared in MWO. They could possibly change their minds on leaving them out after this.
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The new designs of the Classics do remind me of the MWO look of 'Mechs. I wonder if there was or is some cross-designing going on, and if MWO will consider changing their existing Unseen to match this new art?
Personally, I don't think so. I have two reasons:
1) I can hardly imagine CGL using art designed by someone else, in some different company, or even in cooperation with that company. I believe that the current policy implemented by CGL says that only in-house designs - to which CGL owns all rights - are allowed for BattleTech use. After all, 'Mechs designed for FASA by VMI are no longer used. I would say that CGL's motto is "better safe than sorry" in this matter.
2) MWO practically never redesigns their 'Mechs. I think that the reskinned Centurion has been the only exception (and some almost unnoticeable cosmetic changes on the Catapult maybe). Only now they are going to modify their Awesome, and that's only re-scaling and not re-designing, so I am doubtful how it will actually turn out. I would say that the maximum, what would PGI do, would be some special paintjob.
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[drool]
:o
Excuse me, I just slammed my head against my monitor.
I thought I'd be able to transport myself over there, cheesy 90s TV style.
I thought there was only one MMMM - MMMM - MMMM - MAX Headroom? ???
:D
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pics
I will dig one up after I am back from GenCon.
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It's no coincidence, as the same artist is designing for both, but MWO and BattleTech are different properties and visuals cannot be directly shared between them. They can, however, be VERY VERY similar to each other.
Nope, they are different artists. Alex Iglesias (flying debris) does the MWO art, Anthony Scroggins (Shimmering Sword) did the Warhammer. Both did many covers and TRO illustrations before, though
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It would be 2011, when Ray painted two mechs for me that went on the cake at my wedding. My wife actually let me do that. Lol
Ahh, I stand corrected then! ^-^
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I'll just leave this here :)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/d2050d7fd3dd0682d03f16b096c08123/tumblr_ns80pu6a431siotmlo1_1280.jpg)
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WOW!
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sooooo pretty [drool]
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Gonna need to get me some of those!! :o [drool]
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Sentinel,
How much work is required to prepare the 3D printed mini for use as a master? Or are the moulds going to be made directly under computer control from the 3D meshes?
Thanks!
W.
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From Instagram....not the same as above.
The view you get as Natahsa comes for you...hahhaha (https://instagram.com/p/5srBGLjJgQ/)
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It depends on the printer. I've seen some models that come out super clean when they use a high res printer. But if a model printed in a low resolution then it can take some time to sand the edges and print lines smooth.
But in theory you can take a 3d printed model clean off the suport material it could be ready for moulding right away.
However it is definetly possible to produce moulds using only the 3d files. But those are more expensive to make. It really depends on what casting method is used. Ironwind uses silicone moulds which are made from a 3d printed or hand sculpted master. But for the boxsets innthe past the figures were injection moulded plastic. Which requires a steel or aluminum mould to be made and for that i believe it is easier to have a machine mill out the mould rather than using a master print.
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Judging by that print it was done on an SLA printer.
As an aside, if you're using a not-so-clean 3D print for stuff, Smooth-on makes a pretty sweet product for that, if you're doing feel like sanding and/or playing with acetone.
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Holding a Warhammer miniature prototype in my hands.
Pictures later today.
... Tease.
Edit: holy crap, but that's a lovely model. I'd barely paint it, to keep that sleek silvery look.
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That is quite spectacular.
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I'll just leave this here :)
Want. O0
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I had a thunk concerning the retconned and TROs. TRO:3025 says it's just the latest in a line of TROs. Maybe we could get a TRO predating 3025 that has the Retconned in them along with a variety of other Succession Wars era units, while including all the newly available unit types that we didn't have when TRO3025 came out. Industrial Mechs, Tri-pods, and WiGEs and such. And since there's sourcebooks coming out for the Succession Wars it'd be a perfect tie in with them.
Would there be a chance of that happening?
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Something like TRO: 3020? ???
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Between Experimental Technical Readout: Succession Wars II and the combat manuals, I suspect we will get most of that.
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GRUD
Does it have to be set in the 3000s? Why not 2950 or something?
ijewett
Maybe but it doesn't hurt to ask, does it? :)
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It depends on the printer. I've seen some models that come out super clean when they use a high res printer. But if a model printed in a low resolution then it can take some time to sand the edges and print lines smooth.
But in theory you can take a 3d printed model clean off the suport material it could be ready for moulding right away.
However it is definetly possible to produce moulds using only the 3d files. But those are more expensive to make. It really depends on what casting method is used. Ironwind uses silicone moulds which are made from a 3d printed or hand sculpted master. But for the boxsets innthe past the figures were injection moulded plastic. Which requires a steel or aluminum mould to be made and for that i believe it is easier to have a machine mill out the mould rather than using a master print.
Orientation can matter, somehow. Another game I'm interested in is selling all it's models through shapeways, and there was some sort of problem with orientation.
Here's a link to the forum post: http://www.starfiredesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2774&p=32864&hilit=facebook#p32864
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As I understand it the new classic 'Mechs will be done in plastic. Is there any chance these minis will be multi piece?
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Speaking from experience, virtually all 3d prints need to be sanded to one degree or another to remove the texture, the layering method that the printer uses will always leave a visible texture that will show through a paintjob. The higher quality printer/material the smaller the texture can be, and the less noticeable it is. But for perfection you need smooth it right out or otherwise everything will show up in the production copies. If it comes out as cleanly as the Ares did, it should be awesome :D
Also....Shimmering Sword and Alex have very similar art styles, so i very much expect a MWO announcement in the future showing off mechs that look very similar to these...
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I'll just leave this here :)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/d2050d7fd3dd0682d03f16b096c08123/tumblr_ns80pu6a431siotmlo1_1280.jpg)
You can leave that model on my shelf at home.
What a awesome pic.
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Any word yet on if the Lance Boxes will continue? I would really like to get some of the "classics" that way
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I'm throwing money at my screen, but it's not doing anything!
I *would* like to see that Whammy next to another figure though, for a sense of scale. Unless it had to be scaled up for production reasons.
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Just a heads up everybody Hare Brained Schemes just announced a turn based battletech game. Battletechgame.com its going on to kickstarter in the fall
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I'm throwing money at my screen, but it's not doing anything!
I *would* like to see that Whammy next to another figure though, for a sense of scale. Unless it had to be scaled up for production reasons.
Previous masters given to CSO artists for preview images have been scaled up. Not sure how much, but I've heard it's noticeable.
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Just a heads up everybody Hare Brained Schemes just announced a turn based battletech game. Battletechgame.com its going on to kickstarter in the fall
Are they the same group that did the new Shadowrun game?
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Are they the same group that did the new Shadowrun game?
Yes
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Previous masters given to CSO artists for preview images have been scaled up. Not sure how much, but I've heard it's noticeable.
They aren't scaled up, more so, they are going to be slightly different in size because of the molding process. Also, that size difference is only, at most, 10%, and only in 1-dimension...
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Any Chance to see that new Warhammer on a hexbase or any other size comparison to a known mech or tank ?
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That's the prototype. It will not have a correct scale representation as you know it, asking for one won't help.
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It depends on the printer. I've seen some models that come out super clean when they use a high res printer. But if a model printed in a low resolution then it can take some time to sand the edges and print lines smooth.
But in theory you can take a 3d printed model clean off the suport material it could be ready for moulding right away.
From the grain I see on that prototype, looks like they'll need to do some cleanup first.
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From the grain I see on that prototype, looks like they'll need to do some cleanup first.
I'm assuming that's a quickly-3D printed model based off of the render, and isn't meant to even be the master for molding. It's just a sample prototype to show off how they'll look and to check stuff like proportions and scaling.
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I'm assuming that's a quickly-3D printed model based off of the render, and isn't meant to even be the master for molding. It's just a sample prototype to show off how they'll look and to check stuff like proportions and scaling.
Correct.
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Wait I just realized something... It's rumored that the classics will be in the alpha strike box set... And also 10 clan mechs... Do you guys think this could be a preview of one of the redesigned clan machines?
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That... looks like a Mad Cat D to me.
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Sad little Wolfhound...
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I like how you can tell that's actually a -3M Banshee in the background. Little details.
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That... looks like a Mad Cat D to me.
With all due respect... Your point being? All though the loadout may be different the chassis is the same.
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With all due respect... Your point being?
Likewise. None of the original Clan omnis are unseen. We've had easily a dozen different renditions of the Timber Wolf by now; we don't have a mini for each of them. Why would we get a new one for the AS box when we've already got one in plastic in the intro box?
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or go with Mad Cat Mk IV (Savage Wolf) Prime
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or go with Mad Cat Mk IV (Savage Wolf) Prime
Too boxy for a Mk IV.
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actually though.. a very good question would be "will the alpha strike box set be using one piece figures like the current starter box, or multi-part higher quality ones like the battlemaster and timberwolf from the starter box?"
i could see things going either way honestly. the multi-part plastics would work great for the clan Omni's, since those tend to have odd shapes or angles that complicate a one peice sculpt. (just look at the old citytech plastics!) but one piece figures would be easier to get ready for games.
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For a boxed set, I'd bet on one piece minis where possible, and any multi-part minis will probably be pre-assembled.
The whole point of a boxed set is to have everything you need to get started right away.
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I'm going with Occam's Razor on my theories for that.
Alpha Strike has always been one of "plop down the minis and play", right out of the box.
If they did a boxed set, and believe me even I want one of those, I can't see it having assembly required.
Now do I want high quality plastics that need assembling? You bet, I still love the minis I got from the Battletech boxed set!
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It would make sense for them to be the one piece plastics . . . that way the Classics can be blended in with the original Lance Pack mechs for the third wave of that product . . . and we get the semi-promised Clan Lance/Star Packs also using single piece plastics that can be sold outside the Alpha Strike Box Set . . . though I would be disappointed if after 8(?) boxes of IS mechs we only get 2 boxes of Clan mechs.
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The nice thing about the one piece plastics is that it makes the game more accessible to people like me coming over from boardgames.
We are used to unpainted one piece plastics in our board games.
In the latest boxed set and lance packs, these mini's are exceptional. While I have been a fan of the
Battletech universe since playing the 1989 PC game, these plastics were a big factor for me finally taking the plunge into the tabletop game.
Since my fandom began with a game featuring almost all unseen 'mechs, I'm pretty excited about these classics. What a good time to be getting into this game!
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I have to go with the one-piece plastic minis. Assembly has always been my least favorite part of tabletop gaming. With the plastic minis that we get in the Alpha Strike lances, though, if I get a hankering to repose some mechs (to differentiate between the same mech), it is really, really easy to take an Xacto knife to them and put everything back together.
Likewise, for those really dedicated to WSYWIG, it would be pretty simple to shear an arm off of a plastic Omni and replace it with the appropriate pewter bit for a different configuration.
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I'm torn for the plastic minis. On one side, one piece minis are awesome for ease of play but multi pieces minis are a charm to clean up and assemble the way I want right away... but honestly, pewter, one piece plastic or multi I don't mind as long as quality is there :)
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After my experience with the Project Phoenix metal TDR and PXH, I will be very happy to never assemble a mini again.
I want to play BT, not spend hours on tiny 3d jigsaw puzzles that fall apart if you hit them with a harsh glance.
Yes I'm aware that many people love the modelling side of things, and I'm glad they do. It's just way beyond my abilities.
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After my experience with the Project Phoenix metal TDR and PXH, I will be very happy to never assemble a mini again.
I want to play BT, not spend hours on tiny 3d jigsaw puzzles that fall apart if you hit them with a harsh glance.
Yes I'm aware that many people love the modelling side of things, and I'm glad they do. It's just way beyond my abilities.
It sounds like you are not changing your glue enough. After about a year after you've opened the bottle, it takes a long time for the glue to dry.
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It sounds like you are not changing your glue enough. After about a year after you've opened the bottle, it takes a long time for the glue to dry.
Or many people don't like assembling miniatures. It doesn't take them "doing it wrong" to not like something.
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I'm OK with legs section, torso section, left arm & right arm, and I'll forgive that beautiful new Warhammer if the SRM6 is an extra part, but 11+ parts was waayyyyyy to much for me.
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Or many people don't like assembling miniatures. It doesn't take them "doing it wrong" to not like something.
I am just trying to be helpful. I suffered great frustration because my glue had gone bad, making multi-piece minis painful.
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After a lot of thought, I've decided that I am firmly in the "few or one-piece" models camp. Multi-part models are good for the percentage of fans who get into posing their pieces, but act as a serious barrier to sales for everyone else.
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I've ended up in the "prefers plastic" camp, because I'm comfortable turning a one-piece plastic into my choice of multiple pieces with a sharp knife. Often simply moving one leg - separating it under the foot, and at the hip, or an arm separated at the shoulder, gives simple and great dynamic changes to the plastics.
Whereas getting a bag of metal filings (exaggeration & joke!) is more challenging ;)
W.
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It's was great getting the Beta Book for IO. I also got a 3150 book right out the box right as it came I to the Catalyst booth.
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After a lot of thought, I've decided that I am firmly in the "few or one-piece" models camp. Multi-part models are good for the percentage of fans who get into posing their pieces, but act as a serious barrier to sales for everyone else.
Yup, when I started buying back in again to minis that is one of the big things I looked at when deciding what I would order or buy. I have a Scylla sitting in a plastic bag still waiting to be finished. It ended up there after attempting the Solitaire. I have finally finished the Marauder IIC with all its pieces.
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I'm OK with legs section, torso section, left arm & right arm, and I'll forgive that beautiful new Warhammer if the SRM6 is an extra part, but 11+ parts was waayyyyyy to much for me.
some of the phoenix mech figures like the TDR and the ARC were among the most onerous for me to assemble. i feel your pain.
in regard to intro boxes, i think most figures should be on par with the 3rd Ed box (one to three parts)
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I dunno, I love multi-part models - as long as it actually helps with their posability. The older Thud was actually a blast to assemble just the way I wanted it, giving it an awesome action pose that many models with only a few parts can't really ever get.
That said, something like the Mad Cat/BattleMaster or the CAV 'Mechs would be my ideal. Posability, but easily assembled and taken for a ride within a minute if needed.
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I'm for both plastic and metal, not one or the other. I want as many people to get them as want them. Maybe one piece plastic/ multi piece metal?
All I know is that I want them. :D
One thing though - do not put them exclusively in the AS box set. It's last on my list to buy 'cause I'm just not interested in AS and I'm not alone in this. Further, even people who are into AS are only going to buy at most a couple of sets. They'd be just great as lance packs, though. Wouldn't that be weird - buying lance packs of these remastered classics to play RoboTech Tactics with! You know, 'cause they look better...... :))
- Shane
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They'd be just great as lance packs, though. Wouldn't that be weird - buying lance packs of these remastered classics to play RoboTech Tactics with! You know, 'cause they look better...... :))
- Shane
And a solid 15$ cheaper to buy! O0
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Wouldn't that be weird - buying lance packs of these remastered classics to play RoboTech Tactics with! You know, 'cause they look better...... :))
Great Ghu, wouldn't that be a thought now? And no need for assembly ...
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Depending on how many of the classics get put into the AS box (and how the AS box is priced), it would probably be cheaper to get several AS boxes for the price of a few metal minis. As is for the price of a lance of metals or two plastic lances you can get 26 from the intro box. I'm up for buying into/AS boxes by the bulk to build up multiple faction forces by the company. Metal minis come later ;D
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I expect to see metals of some of them first. Just because they are easier to get into production. As in if that Warhammer takes more than about 2 months for IWM to be producing I'd be surprised. An AS Box set is something that requires a ton more work. I'd be surprised if we see that before next year. Not saying it won't happen, just i wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
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I do not know . . . the Intro Box sets were rolled out, then Catalyst started hearing about people buying multiple box sets to get the minis. Lance packs were rolled out to capitalize off the interest with some heavy hints of later packs if the series did well enough- I would actually like to know if it was a good seller for Catalyst. Now the Combat Manuals are in line with the art heavily featuring the return of Classic designs . . . I do not know what is best for game releases, but I wonder if it might not be coming for Christmas?
I want to throw my money at them like everyone else, but I expect the AS Box set to be their first featured item. Also consider that the release schedule for the next few quarters for IWM is already announced?
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According to Loren Coleman at the "What's Up With Catalyst?" Seminar, they WILL be available in plastic AND Metal! O0
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I wonder if there will be a Alpha Strike lance pack with exclusively these new Classics in them, I'd then be game get it one.
I'm not that wealthy that i can afford get box of same stuff i have multiple numbers, for one unique/new one in side. If they can get these classics into plastic form in AS Lance pack by themselves, then i'll get one these without hesitation.
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One thing though - do not put them exclusively in the AS box set. It's last on my list to buy 'cause I'm just not interested in AS and I'm not alone in this. Further, even people who are into AS are only going to buy at most a couple of sets.
I would be astonished if most of the AS box mechs don't show up in Lance Packs the same way that most of the TW box mechs did. There will be a handful that you probably can't get outside of the intro box or that you'll have to wait for (like the Enforcer and the Jager).
Mind you, even if you never played using the AS rules once (unfortunate), buying the box would almost certainly be considerably cheaper than buying the Lance Packs.
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need...moooreee..minniss. Stop..talking!
I hate assembling minis, it is a big reason why I have more boxed minis then I have at least primed. A good chunk of my collection that is actively being used is from the Introbox and lance packs. I get that there are some people that are into the torture...I mean..no, just torture of assembling minis, but I'm not one of them. If I could mod minis, I might but that might be even worse then assembling those that are preplanned to be assembled in a particular way.
There are few minis that are okay, one of them is the sentinel with its two arms and need for a base, where the arms have nice pins that go into the body of the mech instead of stupid bubbles that are supposed to stick to flat surfaces. I think its partially the fault of those that design how a mech is supposed to be assembled because i think they hate us, or just me. Who ever thought the design of the mauler should have a head that needs to be glued on while the launchers were part of the body was just trying to mess with people. Sick, sick,sick, puppy. :/
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Personally, I've found the assembly stage to be the easy part. Before that happens, the parts have to be removed from the sprues and seam lines filed off. Depending on the mini, limbs have to be sawed off and re-attached in a better pose, like with the reseen T-bolt and Rifleman. Then after assembly, it gets a base coat of flat black, then dry-brushed with the final color. After that comes the detailing. The painting takes longest by far.
What is it about assembly that irks people?
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What is it about assembly that irks people?
Honestly? All of the things you listed. I 100% understand why people enjoy the construction process and getting the poses out of their minis that they want, but I loathe clipping bits off their sprues, filing down mold lines, gluing my fingers together, pinning or green stuffing the fiddly bits together, ungluing my fingers, dropping tiny sensor pods (I'm look at you, Unseen MadIIC), keeping one leg propped up while I glue the torso to the other leg to shoehorn onto the feet and the propped up leg, etc. It really takes a lot of the fun out of it.
With a one-piece plastic mini, I can file off some mold lines and prime in a matter of minutes. If I want to repose something, its as simple as a sharp knife and a dab of glue.
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According to Loren Coleman at the "What's Up With Catalyst?" Seminar, they WILL be available in plastic AND Metal! O0
Anything about Leviathans? (the flying battleships game, not the warships)
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According to Loren Coleman at the "What's Up With Catalyst?" Seminar, they WILL be available in plastic AND Metal! O0
Hope someone got recording to post here.
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According to Loren Coleman at the "What's Up With Catalyst?" Seminar, they WILL be available in plastic AND Metal! O0
I'd post the "why not both?" meme, but there's already been warnings thrown around about that. But it does fit my reaction to that announcement. I personally prefer plastics (I'm a "paint and play" kinda guy), but I can understand and appreciate the poseability options with metal.
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Hope someone got recording to post here.
Ask and thou shalt receive
OK....This be my first ever YouTube video and sorry the audio so quite. Someone else had a real camera versus me using my phone and when they post it will be much better quality.
Also I don't play Shadowrun so if someone could share it over on there forums I'd appreciate it.
What's up with CGL Gen Con 2015 (https://youtu.be/b2YXBpOpcIs)
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What is it about assembly that irks people?
The fact that even with simple minis, it takes up time I'd sooner spend playing the game.
I want to be playing with minis that won't lose a limb if someone accidentally knocks it over on the mapsheet. Currently, about half of my multi-part minis are awaiting repair of some sort.
I love seeing the wonderful work other people can do with their minis, but it's not for me.
I don't need beautiful minis. I'm happy with a 5-minute basic paint job, no fancy highlights, washes or dry-brushing. Just get it onto the mapsheet and lets get the game going :)
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What is it about assembly that irks people?
For myself I do love a good metal mini so long as it doesn't have a lot of little parts I have to put together. My unseen warhammer is a good example. 2 arms, 1 missile pod, and the searchlight. So 5 pieces including the body. Not too hard to put together or paint. The new warhammer in metal? Hope it is the same, easy to put together. On the other hand.. other metal minis with teeny tiny dozen or so pieces.. meh, no thanks. Rather not have teeny tiny pieces to cut my fingers over or risk breaking. As long as the mini has 4 or fewer decent sized pieces, or a single piece plastic, I'm happy.
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On the other hand.. other metal minis with teeny tiny dozen or so pieces.. meh, no thanks. Rather not have teeny tiny pieces to cut my fingers over or risk breaking. As long as the mini has 4 or fewer decent sized pieces, or a single piece plastic, I'm happy.
I'm imagining the new warhammer and others will be something like the new Stalker II.
Torso, waist, Left leg, Right leg, Right/left foot, Right/left arms. Give or take the missile/searchlight pods being separate.
Judging by the 3D model the Legs and feet might be a single peice.
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As I understand it the new classic 'Mechs will be done in plastic. Is there any chance these minis will be multi piece?
They probably can't..I think Harmony Gold owns the IP to "Let's make something be 22 parts when we could make it in 6
4, or even 2"
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For myself I do love a good metal mini so long as it doesn't have a lot of little parts I have to put together. My unseen warhammer is a good example. 2 arms, 1 missile pod, and the searchlight. So 5 pieces including the body. Not too hard to put together or paint. The new warhammer in metal? Hope it is the same, easy to put together. On the other hand.. other metal minis with teeny tiny dozen or so pieces.. meh, no thanks. Rather not have teeny tiny pieces to cut my fingers over or risk breaking. As long as the mini has 4 or fewer decent sized pieces, or a single piece plastic, I'm happy.
lol. There is a HUGE difference between a well designed 22 part mini, and a poorly designed 6 part mini. The sculpt is done by Alex, using 3d render software, im betting those 11 pieces go togather like a dream and youll be in shock at how easy it is. Why do i say that? Because he designed the Ares sculpts that were loads of parts, heavy metal sections, and it was one of the easiest models to assemble, everything fit perfectly, it was all well designed for being assembled, a dream come true. Each of the 3 legs was 4 pieces, and each of them had a really smooth socket/ball joint assembly, virtually glue and plug in. Where as ive had 3 part IWM minis that i throw across the damn room because some twit designed a super small, flat surfaced connector with nothing for the glue to grab.....
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I prefer plastic because of cost but haven't seen and affordable (for me) mini in a long time. :'( I also never really cared too much about painting. I tried it but I'd rather just get them on the mapsheet.
When it comes to one piece or multiple, I'll go with as few as possible. The little parts can hurt and be a pain. I haven't had to many of them break off though. Usually it's an arm or leg that just won't stay on. Personally I don't know why they can't be made so they can be pose-able. The old plastic Warhammer's and Rifleman's arms could move. And some of the tank turrets were solid enough that they wouldn't fall off when I turned them.
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I like the pewter because it paints so much better over plastic. But plastic is much cheaper.
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The WHM-6K-YK Warhammer of Second Sword of Light commander Tai-sa Yorinaga Kurita.
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/a3167b81ec015a6f940f40c61c5e8c70/tumblr_nsew5bWKhI1siotmlo1_1280.jpg)
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I wonder how big it is. Assuming the hex-base is just the size of a standard hex, the mech seems to be a bit big. Of course it is a prototype so that doesn't mean much.
Ah, whatever, i hope the final version fits in well with the plastic miniatures in the IntroBox.
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The problem with some of the reseen minis isn't that they have too many parts - it's that they have too many unnecessary parts.
Take the Warhammer for example. The original reseen version has 4 pieces for the legs: waist, left and right leg, and a base with the feet molded in. That means there's only one way you can pose that miniature, and you've got 4 unnecessary points of failure for breakages. That said, the reseen minis are 13 years old at this point, and Iron Wind have improved their parts decisions since then. Most of the recent minisI've gotten from them have one of three leg configurations:
1: Single piece legs and hips, usually with some level of integrated base
2: Hips, left and right leg are separate. Sometimes the feet are separate too
3: Hips and one leg are a single piece (sometimes with an integrated base), one leg is a separate piece.
The second and third versions are more complex than a single piece, but not hugely so - and you can still attach both legs to the base for a more secure model if you're not interested in or confident enough to do a moving pose.
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They probably can't..I think Harmony Gold owns the IP to "Let's make something be 22 parts when we could make it in 6
4, or even 2"
I've heard (not that I know it's fact, mind) that the reason for this is that IWM holds the rights to BattleTech miniatures, and HG had to play it safe in order to not get sued for producing miniatures for use in BattleTech. Instead, they produce "model kits" for use in their game. ^-^
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I've heard (not that I know it's fact, mind) that the reason for this is that IWM holds the rights to BattleTech miniatures, and HG had to play it safe in order to not get sued for producing miniatures for use in BattleTech. Instead, they produce "model kits" for use in their game. ^-^
Untrue. The Macross images have no legal connection to BattleTech, not since 1996. Even before then, HG and other companies could produce minatures for Robotech, as with Dark Horse's short-lived line.
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It's my understanding that Palladium had someone make nice 3D models for their Robotech minis, which they supplied to China.
The Chinese factory then made their own 3D models which were turned into the moulds. Obviously this second set of models aimed for (presumably) a combination of simplicity of casting/injection, and higher detail. Just the sort of slip that a company not familiar with working with Chinese factories can make all to easily (don't ask me about Levs issues ... there's a terrific book called "(Poorly) Made in China", which I can only wish we'd seen before that saga started. I think we hit 8 of the "10 ways to get things wrong".)
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If you wanted a Pheonix Hawk, the robotech minis had a good special convention of a super Valkrie that is really close to the size for battletech.
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Untrue. The Macross images have no legal connection to BattleTech, not since 1996. Even before then, HG and other companies could produce minatures for Robotech, as with Dark Horse's short-lived line.
It's an untruth that's deliciously ironic enough that I choose to believe. :D
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http://bg.battletech.com/news/news-and-announcements/drop-pod-sequence-initiatedthree-two-one/
To those who made and continue to make things like this possible, I LOVE YOU :D ;D O0
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The WHM-6K-YK Warhammer of Second Sword of Light commander Tai-sa Yorinaga Kurita.
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/a3167b81ec015a6f940f40c61c5e8c70/tumblr_nsew5bWKhI1siotmlo1_1280.jpg)
I painted it and it is not oversized. Since it is a prototype and 3D printer made, it is a little rough. When they are manufactured, I expect them to be similar to the lance pack minis.
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It's an untruth that's deliciously ironic enough that I choose to believe. :D
Fair enough. O0
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The problem with some of the reseen minis isn't that they have too many parts - it's that they have too many unnecessary parts.
Take the Warhammer for example. The original reseen version has 4 pieces for the legs: waist, left and right leg, and a base with the feet molded in. That means there's only one way you can pose that miniature, and you've got 4 unnecessary points of failure for breakages. That said, the reseen minis are 13 years old at this point, and Iron Wind have improved their parts decisions since then. Most of the recent minisI've gotten from them have one of three leg configurations:
1: Single piece legs and hips, usually with some level of integrated base
2: Hips, left and right leg are separate. Sometimes the feet are separate too
3: Hips and one leg are a single piece (sometimes with an integrated base), one leg is a separate piece.
The second and third versions are more complex than a single piece, but not hugely so - and you can still attach both legs to the base for a more secure model if you're not interested in or confident enough to do a moving pose.
Well Alex is a MINIATURES designer, not a statue sculptor, im happy thr parts will allow for multiple poses.
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This debate is getting out of hand. How about this: one-piece plastics, for those of us who just want to "plop and play" and multi-piece metals, for those of us who want to model?
No reason we can't have both.
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And Loren said that we would eventually have both.
Realistically, that wasn't a commitment to have both tomorrow. Some waiting will be required.
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This is battlech is it not? clearly we need to fight over everything ;) And if we have to wait for both th3n why not kill our enemies and time simultaneously.
Cheers,
LCC
PS I am very excited about all the recent announcements, but I think I'm more excited about the SW historicalsbthan anything else. I blame this year's CSO diorama.
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I am very excited about all the recent announcements, but I think I'm more excited about the SW historicalsbthan anything else.
Me too. I just really want to know the context for Kenyon Marik's "clear a path to Sarna" comment, and know whether or not he actually threw darts at a map of the CapCon to pick out his targets...
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Shown here is Captain Natasha Kerensky's black Warhammer, which is as infamous as its pilot.
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/5a7596023710ac91cf2a071d492604d9/tumblr_nsf6fuYVxm1siotmlo1_1280.jpg)
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lol. There is a HUGE difference between a well designed 22 part mini, and a poorly designed 6 part mini. The sculpt is done by Alex, using 3d render software, im betting those 11 pieces go togather like a dream and youll be in shock at how easy it is. Why do i say that? Because he designed the Ares sculpts that were loads of parts, heavy metal sections, and it was one of the easiest models to assemble, everything fit perfectly, it was all well designed for being assembled, a dream come true. Each of the 3 legs was 4 pieces, and each of them had a really smooth socket/ball joint assembly, virtually glue and plug in. Where as ive had 3 part IWM minis that i throw across the damn room because some twit designed a super small, flat surfaced connector with nothing for the glue to grab.....
Glad you liked the Ares assembly, that was only my second attempt at making a multipart mini intended for casting, and my first ever metal mini.
As for the Warhammer, the intention as i understand it is for it to be the same as the other mini's in the previous boxsets. so single piece plastic miniature. that said this may change if the higher ups change their minds but that is how i've modeled it so far.
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I've heard (not that I know it's fact, mind) that the reason for this is that IWM holds the rights to BattleTech miniatures, and HG had to play it safe in order to not get sued for producing miniatures for use in BattleTech. Instead, they produce "model kits" for use in their game. ^-^
Let's not get companies confused. HG holds the overall Robotech license, but the one's making a Mini's game out of it is Palladium. (And the issues with those minis is a whoooooole other kettle of fish)
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Interestingly, Palladium had one of the Warhammer prototypes in a display at their booth at Gen Con too.
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Interestingly, Palladium had one of the Warhammer prototypes in a display at their booth at Gen Con too.
I really doubt that.
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I wouldn't mind the"cloked" Exterminator or two.
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I really doubt that.
It wouldn't surprise me that what he meant was that Palladium had a Destroid Tomahawk/whatever-they-call-it-in-Robotech mini or toy prototype of some sort. :)
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It wouldn't surprise me that what he meant was that Palladium had a Destroid Tomahawk/whatever-they-call-it-in-Robotech mini or toy prototype of some sort. :)
That would make more sense.
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Shown here is Captain Natasha Kerensky's black Warhammer, which is as infamous as its pilot.
[tear]That's just...beautiful.[/tear]
Seriously, whoever did the paint job nailed it.
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[tear]That's just...beautiful.[/tear]
Seriously, whoever did the paint job nailed it.
That would be the CSO artist Fanjoy. ;)
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I really doubt that.
Doubt all you want, I walked right by it more than once. Right in there next to the other stuff. EXACT same mini as in the Catalyst booth. Obviously the slightly smaller scale than the Robotech minis and everything.
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Doubt all you want, I walked right by it more than once. Right in there next to the other stuff. EXACT same mini as in the Catalyst booth. Obviously the slightly smaller scale than the Robotech minis and everything.
And nobody took a picture? Gencon goers, you have failed us. :)
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I didn't think to. But give it time! I still know people who only just got back last night and are probably at work!
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Doubt all you want, I walked right by it more than once. Right in there next to the other stuff. EXACT same mini as in the Catalyst booth. Obviously the slightly smaller scale than the Robotech minis and everything.
I 2nd ColBosch's statement. They've had Robotech minis at GC since last year, and guess what? They're about the same size as BT minis. Did you see something that looked like any of the following? If so, you saw a Robotech Tactics mini. You ARE Mistaken.
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Ugh I pitty them. Didn't even bother to remove the seem lines.
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Unless you can see something I can't, those lines are where pieces join together, not excess flash from the molds. It's a bit more difficult to fill in tiny little gaps than it is to shave off tiny little excess.
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Unless you can see something I can't, those lines are where pieces join together, not excess flash from the molds. It's a bit more difficult to fill in tiny little gaps than it is to shave off tiny little excess.
I geuss so but no offense to anyone is intended, but for the ones built up for display you'd think they'd take the time to fill them. After all they're there to sell the product. ;)
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My google-fu found this on a Robotech RPG Tactics facebook page, the caption indicates it was taken at Gencon and was posted on 30 July.
https://www.facebook.com/RRPGT/photos/pb.1528233030781059.-2207520000.1438736716./1635952693342425/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/RRPGT/photos/pb.1528233030781059.-2207520000.1438736716./1635952693342425/?type=3&theater)
That is definitely not a Battletech classic Warhammer plastic miniature, it is Robotech Destroid Tomahawk plastic model note the differences in the shoulder-mounted SRM6, shoulder-mounted searchlight and the concaved armour on the front of the calves.
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Having painted the "classic" Warhammer there are many things different from the one from Robotech. They are similar but not the same.
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Well, maybe it was next to the first-edition ComStar sourcebook.
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And the DTF versions of ...
(http://www.solaris7.com/files/members/602/Borth_TotC_01_Freeborth.JPG)
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And the DTF versions of ...
(http://www.solaris7.com/files/members/602/Borth_TotC_01_Freeborth.JPG)
This will never not be funny. Ever.
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I finally read the blurb and oh dice gods I'm laughing harder.
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I 2nd ColBosch's statement. They've had Robotech minis at GC since last year, and guess what? They're about the same size as BT minis. Did you see something that looked like any of the following? If so, you saw a Robotech Tactics mini. You ARE Mistaken.
That green Warhammer is great. I like that blue Longbow in the background too. Even that Rifleman and Archer are well shaped.
Thanks for those pictures.
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Nope, was none of the ones that have been shown in pictures. It was unpainted, and exactly like the ones in the Catalyst booth. Actually, at one point there were 3 unpainteds in the Catalyst booth, then 2. But then two painted ones showed up, so who knows how many.
Also, I didn't notice this one until Saturday the 1st.
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That green Warhammer Tomahawk is great. I like that blue Longbow Phalanx in the background too. Even that Rifleman Defender and Archer Spartan are well shaped.
Corrected that for you. Hopefully we won't make that mistake again.
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Enough.
[copper] [copper] [copper]
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Enough.
[copper] [copper] [copper]
What he said. I'll add, please review forum rule #8, there are a few posts here that break it. Please edit your posts accordingly.
so who knows how many.
I do. I won't tell you what you did or did not see. All I can tell you is that the design that we worked on with our artists, which we then had prototypes made for the show—which totaled five—were only on display during the show at the Catalyst booth, my room, and the CamoSpecs diorama.
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Just when I thought I was out, you pull me back in!
So... New Avalon Cavaliers making a new appearance?
O:-) O:-) O:-) O:-)
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What are the Hong Kong Cavaliers up to these days, Doc?
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Not much. Since the NAIS got crushed, we've been trying to do good on research for new ways to deliver food to some of the less hospitable worlds, but there's only so far you can drop a genetically engineered watermelon before gravitational acceleration will reduce it to pulp when it lands.
We have been keeping up in the simulators, ready to see action when called upon, but so far we're still on the sidelines.
By the way, anyone in the market for a Produce-based Orbital Bombardment Gun?
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By the way, anyone in the market for a Produce-based Orbital Bombardment Gun?
...We talking sub-light accelerated cabbage, here? Because that would make Erinyes a whole hell of a lot more intriguing.
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...We talking sub-light accelerated cabbage, here? Because that would make Erinyes a whole hell of a lot more intriguing.
It'll take whatever vegetable or produce you jam into it. Of course, the jam is best when using grape, strawberry, or (my favorite) raspberry. Add some carrots, vinegar, and mayonnaise and you'll slaw your foes.
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By the way, anyone in the market for a Produce-based Orbital Bombardment Gun?
Finally, a Salad Shooter worthy of the name!
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...We talking sub-light accelerated cabbage, here? Because that would make Erinyes a whole hell of a lot more intriguing.
Kimchi? It does have its own propellant . . .
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.... the jam is best when using grape, strawberry, or (my favorite) raspberry.
Meanwhile, aboard the Herald of Justice...
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQk63WC6XoAzZwilb5hRYj6W4gXxEmoEAHcDqiOskZP6jN-Pq9L)
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Kimchi? It does have its own propellant . . .
Yum...
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Meanwhile, aboard the Herald of Justice...
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQk63WC6XoAzZwilb5hRYj6W4gXxEmoEAHcDqiOskZP6jN-Pq9L)
Now I ain't saying the Cavaliers are responsible for what happened to the Herald, but more that a few Irregulars recall hearing some sweet tunes from a pocket trumpet before it went boom.
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Enough.
[copper] [copper] [copper]
Oh, you have no sense of humor (J/K) :P He was joking. (I know it's an unnecessary quote edit) I'm aware of Rule #8
don't tempt to PM me a warning... Doggone it! :-[
Anywho, back on the thread rail shall we?
we (the fans) never associate Battletech mechs with... you know whats, that originated from... you know what
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Looking forward to the art . . . maybe once it has all been released or set for published releases we get a new calendar with the Classics.
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calendar
yes
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Do we know which Unseens will get their Classic Image now ? I learned that the IICs are out of scope in the first wave.
I assume that will also include such beauties as the Behemoth and Kraken etc. as well as Grand Crusader and Nexus, right ?
But what's with mechs like the Longbow or the OST series ? Are the first wave of Classics only including the original 14 mechs from the very first BT box ?
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Do we know which Unseens will get their Classic Image now ? I learned that the IICs are out of scope in the first wave.
I assume that will also include such beauties as the Behemoth and Kraken etc. as well as Grand Crusader and Nexus, right ?
But what's with mechs like the Longbow or the OST series ? Are the first wave of Classics only including the original 14 mechs from the very first BT box ?
Certainly:
- Marauder
- Warhammer
- Shadow Hawk
- Griffin
Probably:
- Locust
- Stinger
- Wasp
- Valkyrie
- Phoenix Hawk
- Crusader
- Thunderbolt
- Scorpion
- Goliath
- Archer
- Longbow
- Rifleman
- Wolverine
- BattleMaster
- Marauder II
Possibly:
- Ostscout*
- Ostroc*
- Ostsol*
* Ost'Mechs are no longer considered Unseen
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Do we know which Unseens will get their Classic Image now ? I learned that the IICs are out of scope in the first wave.
I assume that will also include such beauties as the Behemoth and Kraken etc. as well as Grand Crusader and Nexus, right ?
But what's with mechs like the Longbow or the OST series ? Are the first wave of Classics only including the original 14 mechs from the very first BT box ?
We do not have an exact list of which 'Mechs are being reworked and/or when. I believe it's because it's not just an issue of producing new art, but the review and refinement process that ensures each design will be a) legally acceptable, and b) absolutely as good as possible. It has been heavily implied that it'll be all the machines from the "Project Phoenix" section of TR3039, at least to start with.
- Ostscout*
- Ostroc*
- Ostsol*
It's been said by the devs that the Osts are on the list, despite not being Unseen anymore.
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It's been said by the devs that the Osts are on the list, despite not being Unseen anymore.
Really? Well, why not, after all.
I remember that Chris Daranouvong painted some nice re-imagined Osts (Ostroc?, I think).
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* Ost'Mechs are no longer considered Unseen
But do lack an in-production mini for pre-Phoenix representations. Probably not likely to see them in the initial wave, but down the track I hope to see more "eggs on legs".
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But do lack an in-production mini for pre-Phoenix representations. Probably not likely to see them in the initial wave, but down the track I hope to see more "eggs on legs".
Yes...I look forward to filling in the dots in creative ways on other people's paper representations of the new Ost Mechs.
I hpe they make the new Ost Minis when we get them easy t use as battlefield wreckage... >:D
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I'm curious where they'll appear. Just the Combat Manuals?
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I'm curious where they'll appear. Just the Combat Manuals?
The real question is in what manual they will appear in? I mean the Valkyrie is a no brainer but I wonder which mechs willl appear in which Combat Manual
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The real question is in what manual they will appear in? I mean the Valkyrie is a no brainer but I wonder which mechs willl appear in which Combat Manual
IF they are in these books, i guess they would be properly be spread out between entire series. That way, if people aren't really into the Alpha Strike side of the game, they'll get it for the mini-TRO if its in there. Most logical way to do it.
Personally I'd rather see Project Phoenix TRO, like a TRO: 3025 Supplemental or TRO: 3050 Upgraded Supplemental with just Classics Reimaged missing Mechs in there covering rest of them back to the Succession Wars. If there was going be new fluff involved.
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Technical Readout: 3025 Upgrade. Duh. O:-)
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Technical Readout: 3025 Upgrade. Duh. O:-)
Nah. TRO: 3039 Revised. Revised TROs took out the Unseen, they can add the nuSeen. ;)
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I'd love to see the retconned in a new TRO but besides sticking the pictures into TRO:3039 I'm not sure how it'd be done. If you stuck with just new art and fluff, with all the stats just cut and paste from TRO:3039 I'm not sure how much it'd interest people. I'd want it but I'm not sure how many would be willing to pay for info they already have. Maybe if these were variants of the retconned or/and a lot of other units were included as well then there would be enough to make people buy PDFs and even a print version.
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I'm super excited about this, especially the glimps of a redesigned MAD-3R shown in Black Widow Company colors on that artwork. The old MAD-3R remains one of my favorite mechs and miniatures in the game, but that new artwork (if a new mini looks like that) has the potential to dethrone my old favorite. O0
Actually, now that I think about it, I'd love to do the old Black Widow Company with a whole set of "re-imagined" 3025 battlemechs! Please Catalyst/IWM, make it happen!!! 8)
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I'm super excited about this, especially the glimps of a redesigned MAD-3R shown in Black Widow Company colors on that artwork. The old MAD-3R remains one of my favorite mechs and miniatures in the game, but that new artwork (if a new mini looks like that) has the potential to dethrone my old favorite. O0
Actually, now that I think about it, I'd love to do the old Black Widow Company with a whole set of "re-imagined" 3025 battlemechs! Please Catalyst/IWM, make it happen!!! 8)
The Black Widows and the Fox's Teeth if you are so inclined.
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I'd love to see the retconned in a new TRO but besides sticking the pictures into TRO:3039 I'm not sure how it'd be done. If you stuck with just new art and fluff, with all the stats just cut and paste from TRO:3039 I'm not sure how much it'd interest people. I'd want it but I'm not sure how many would be willing to pay for info they already have.
Well, there are enough Classics running around to just about make a slightly oversized XTRO, so why not go with that? Either a proper Supplemental TRO 3025 or else an XTRO: Old School, where art-accurate variations on old machines get some play, and we get a TRO with new art covering just the returned Classic mechs.
I can imagine that, at least, might make a few bucks in sales from folks wanting official spec and record sheets and art from them, but...
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We've already been told that the Classics will be appearing in the Combat Manual series.
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I say wait until everything is done, then take the 22 Inner Sphere Classics, Galleon Light Tank, Samurai ASF, 16 Clan second-line machines, the "lost designs" section from the out-of-print TR3026 Revised, and add in some models from appropriate XTRO and Era Digest PDFs. Call it "Technical Readout: 2950" to tie it into the Succession Wars volumes and Era Digest: Golden Century.
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Maybe add some -IIC mechs to that list. Either way it sounds like something I would buy.
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Maybe add some -IIC mechs to that list. Either way it sounds like something I would buy.
Yes, that would be part of the "16 Clan second-line machines."
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I say wait until everything is done, then take the 22 Inner Sphere Classics, Galleon Light Tank, Samurai ASF, 16 Clan second-line machines, the "lost designs" section from the out-of-print TR3026 Revised, and add in some models from appropriate XTRO and Era Digest PDFs. Call it "Technical Readout: 2950" to tie it into the Succession Wars volumes and Era Digest: Golden Century.
Seems like a good idea to me.
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Does that mean that more of the Mech Squad Plastics with the Battleforce cards are coming out soon. Its a good buy 4 mechs for $20.
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Does that mean that more of the Mech Squad Plastics with the Battleforce cards are coming out soon. Its a good buy 4 mechs for $20.
Nothing announced yet. This is neither a "yes" nor a "no," just a "not announced yet."
I mean, probably. But until we have a street date, anything can happen.
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I'm actually going to jump in and say "not a chance in hell".
But that's because Lance Packs don't use Battleforce cards. O:-)
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I'm actually going to jump in and say "not a chance in hell".
But that's because Lance Packs don't use Battleforce cards. O:-)
"He once bowled a perfect game. During a hurricane.
In poker tournaments, nobody dares go 'all in' after he has.
He gets to play Alpha Strike with BattleForce cards, because he says so.
He's the Most Interesting Man In The World."
"I don't often play tabletop wargames, but when I do, I prefer BattleTech.
Stay Davion, my friends."
;D
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Where did that "like" button go? Oh...there it is...
O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
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Where did that "like" button go? Oh...there it is...
O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Even an odd amount of emojis! Yep checks out! :D #P
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The Black Widows and the Fox's Teeth if you are so inclined.
<Surfs over to sarna.net... looks up "Fox's Teeth">
Curse you, Charlie 6! Not another project I have to paint. :'(
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<Surfs over to sarna.net... looks up "Fox's Teeth">
Curse you, Charlie 6! Not another project I have to paint. :'(
In fact when the mechs are available again you could also do the original company line ups for the Grey Death Legion, Snord's Irregulars and the Rolling Thunder.
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<Surfs over to sarna.net... looks up "Fox's Teeth">
Curse you, Charlie 6! Not another project I have to paint. :'(
Sorry. For me, I can concentrate my Unseen on a SLDF force.
In fact when the mechs are available again you could also do the original company line ups for the Grey Death Legion, Snord's Irregulars and the Rolling Thunder.
I believe we're one pesky aerospace fighter ([SL-25 Samurai) short of Sorenson's Sabers too.
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Sorry. For me, I can concentrate my Unseen on a SLDF force.
star league defence force force? :D
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star league defence force force? :D
Point, but I was trying to avoid Quantity-of-Unseen jealousy by waffling between a brigade and a regimental combat team. The old Ral Partha box sets are a favorite of mine.
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Sorry. For me, I can concentrate my Unseen on a SLDF force.I believe we're one pesky aerospace fighter ([SL-25 Samurai) short of Sorenson's Sabers too.
Here's your Samurai (http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=4131) already re-imagined a few years back
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Here's your Samurai (http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=4131) already re-imagined a few years back
Ah, I do remember that know. Thanks! Also, worthy of digging through is the old Dragoon sourcebook for ideas.
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http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/127510236716/combat-manual-mercenaries-art
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(http://40.media.tumblr.com/8589747a447a7c9f4dc22f6a90c0dc43/tumblr_inline_ntlyk86ogE1s9c9hj_500.jpg)
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Its a nice "sketch", looking forward to see how the final illustration turns out :P
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Nice, I think the color CAD art will definitely bring the products more in line with current standards- and of course attract new folks.
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Is it weird that I'm more excited about the Firestarter getting some love than the shiny new Warhammer illustration?
Edit:
Also...
"Combat Manual: Mercenaries is just about through with development and art is proceeding fast"
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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the shiny new Warhammer illustration?
If that warhammer's a shiny, does it have perfect IVs? :P (sorry, it's a Pokémon thing)
anywho... that sketch is truly a work of art and a masterpiece. *pulls out knife and fork* More art, please
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Sketch?
Brain has performed an illegal operation and must be shut down
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I want the Marauder . . . my view of the Classics is sort of going to come down to that, I am highly favorably disposed right now but the final verdict depends on a good view of the Marauder.
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Who's the artist?
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Who's the artist?
Marco Mazzoni.
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Marco Mazzoni.
Apparently there are two Marco Mazzonis in the art world. His Dust 514 work is gorgeous. Can't wait to see more BT from him.
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Someone was going to do this, I am just getting it out of the way.
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Marco Mazzoni.
Thanks! Definitely a solid artist.
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Someone was going to do this, I am just getting it out of the way.
No searchlight, no sale. >:(
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Someone was going to do this, I am just getting it out of the way.
You know, it would be easy enough to paint the missile cells on one of those launchers like they're lights so one mini would work for two variants.
On an actual physical model, I have no idea how to do that to an image on the computer.
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Trying to make it a Warhammer IIC 4 with ATM6s?
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No searchlight, no sale. >:(
Clearly you are no Davion! :)
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Why are people being so harsh about the art work? It looks great.
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Why are people being so harsh about the art work? It looks great.
because they are talking about the edit and (maybe) they didn't realize the real art has searchlight
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Clearly you are no Davion! :)
Clearly the Davions have not seen the light.
Too much? :))
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Why are people being so harsh about the art work? It looks great.
They're not.
Somebody posted a version with two SRMs instead of a searchlight, and somebody replied that they wouldn't take a Warhammer without a searchlight.
As a Davion, I'd take both off, let the lasers/ppc light the way!
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(http://40.media.tumblr.com/8589747a447a7c9f4dc22f6a90c0dc43/tumblr_inline_ntlyk86ogE1s9c9hj_500.jpg)
Ah....
Perfect.
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Far from perfect, as Randall has indicated in the Tumblr post it is just a "sketch" - the lighting/shadow is all over the place, the paintwork is all chipped and damaged . . . I am sure that Randall and Ray will want all the problems sorted out before they are ready to approve the final illustration :P
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The paint SHOULD be chipped and damaged. It gives it that worn-in battlefield look, not that hangar queen look
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Being a fan of the Wolverine II, I want to see what the classic will look like.
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Far from perfect, as Randall has indicated in the Tumblr post it is just a "sketch" - the lighting/shadow is all over the place, the paintwork is all chipped and damaged . . . I am sure that Randall and Ray will want all the problems sorted out before they are ready to approve the final illustration :P
Well......
It could be improved by being in Marik Milita colours, but as it's the mercenaries book i figured i'd let it slide.
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It could be improved by being in Marik Milita Seventh Crucis Lancers colours,
Fixed that for you :P
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Well......
It could be improved by being in Marik Milita colours, but as it's the mercenaries book i figured i'd let it slide.
The Marik Militia really should sell themselves out as mercenaries... I'd pay extra for the purple.
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The Marik Militia really should sell themselves out as mercenaries... I'd pay extra for the purple.
They did! They were called the Marik Protectors! ;D
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They did! They were called the Marik Protectors! ;D
ARE. They ARE called the Marik Protectors. Ahem.
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Is it weird that I'm more excited about the Firestarter getting some love than the shiny new Warhammer illustration?
Yes, its Weird. We are watching you for further symptoms.
As a Davion, I'd take both off, let the lasers/ppc light the way!
Pretty sure all my 6Ds still had searchlights...
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Yep, the 6D just dropped those pesky ammo-fed weapons.
Can't wait to see these in all their glory. I've missed my old-school looks for these guys.
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Yes, its Weird. We are watching you for further symptoms.
Is the firestarter getting redone? First time I've heard of this. ???
Other mechs of the same timeline?
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Not that has been stated. It seems like it was limited to the a portion of the unseens.
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Is the firestarter getting redone? First time I've heard of this. ???
I believe they are referring to the appearance of the Firestarter mini in the preview, nothing more.
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I believe they are referring to the appearance of the Firestarter mini in the preview, nothing more.
Ah ok thanks for clearing that up! O0 Some how I missed the firestarter in the preview when I first looked at it lol.
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Fixed that for you :P
AMEN!
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SO glad that the 'classic era' has not been forgotten and abandoned. No more proxies! No more xx-seens! Just armored awesomeness the way Battletech was meant to be. . . . [drool]
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SO glad that the 'classic era' has not been forgotten and abandoned. No more proxies! No more xx-seens! Just armored awesomeness the way Battletech was meant to be. . . . [drool]
I doubt classics would have ever been forgotten, it's the very reason we are getting new art.
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is there a program out there to make ACS planetary Maps? so that they can look like the ones in the rule book and turning point series?
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You could try Hexographer, although it's not as pretty. There's also Campaign Cartographer, but I don't like that one.
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Marauder preview?
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/204e/8lfpdshemev6mzh6g.jpg)
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Looks nice.
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Marauder preview?
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/204e/8lfpdshemev6mzh6g.jpg)
I know that your banner is the MWO Marauder, but where'd you get the little guy in the body of the post?
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Ray Arrastia has it as his avatar.
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She's mine. Mellow Yellow, been waiting a long time for her.
Lineart by Anthony "Shimmering Sword" Scroggins.
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The MWO Marauder's A/C is actually embedded in the torso, not on a swivel but I think Anthony and Alex are exchanging notes at this point.
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She's mine. Mellow Yellow, been waiting a long time for her.
Lineart by Anthony "Shimmering Sword" Scroggins.
So does that mean when we see the first 3d Prototype of this figure, we can expect to see it in yellow and red like this? ;)
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She's mine. Mellow Yellow, been waiting a long time for her.
Lineart by Anthony "Shimmering Sword" Scroggins.
Grognards would've preferred tiger stripes. ::)
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Ray Arrastia has it as his avatar.
Wow......definitely a preview then. Thanks.
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Marauder preview?
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/204e/8lfpdshemev6mzh6g.jpg)
I want!!! O0
Lets see, I need one in red for my SOL regiment, and one in green and black for my House Hiritsu regiment and one in desert camo for my Marauders mercenary company, and one in black for my Black Widow company, and...! ^-^
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Marauder preview?
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/204e/8lfpdshemev6mzh6g.jpg)
I approve, greatly. That is definitely a Marauder.
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And look! MORE Marauders. (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/129231251501/and-look-more-marauders)
Very nice Marauder. I really like that center-mounted gun and straight-edged PPC pods. Such mini would be worth buying, that's sure. O0
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/5dd3/rq3mdv4dl2anfcc6g.jpg)
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Y'know I think that strut is even sexier.
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Color picture:
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4b5c/99u77owvq5lxco16g.jpg)
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Because it's mentioned in Randall's post, here's the MWO Marauder for comparison.
(https://mwomercs.com/static/marauder/img/concept-marauder-std.png)
As has been previously said, MWO has to use its own art, but the similarities between the new designs are striking. They're both gorgeous.
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I love the comments underneath Randall's post. ;D
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... and now imagine that with some better management of the BattleTech IP all Marauders (be it in PC games made by PGI and the upcoming game designed by HBS, TROs made by CGL, etc) would have been identical. What a great feeling of immersion it would have been.
Oh, well.
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Fasa. :-X
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So it goes. Let's forget the mistakes of the past, and instead concentrate on the bright future ahead.
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There is one question that must be asked: Are you 100% sure that HG is not going to sue CGL?
I don't want to read another official announcement starting with “Sometimes things just don’t go as you want them to ...”
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Oh, come on. We already went over this.
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Over all, I prefer the CBT version, but I do wish they had gone with the in torso off center gun like MWO did.
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I still think this is the best Marauder I've ever seen
(http://orig15.deviantart.net/0521/f/2012/089/d/a/battletech___grey_death_marauder_by_shimmering_sword-d4ugbiu.jpg)
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Considering that's by the same artist, I suggest some patience while we get some more proper action art of the new Marauder that has a good angle on it.
As an aside, I'm not a fan of the MWO Marauder. Not because it's not Marauder-ish enough, but because it looks like a baby MWO King Crab.
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I think the line art of the new BT Marauder is pretty clear, especially combined with the previous rear shot.
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Not sound like a kill joy, but i love this thing but how is it not much different from the original unseen?
I think the Shimmering Sword one with side mounted autocannon from Bird of Prey's post least is different enough to pass the mustered.
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Not sound like a kill joy, but i love this thing but how is it not much different from the original unseen?
Same as the Warhammer, and let the internet be your guide.
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Considering that's by the same artist, I suggest some patience while we get some more proper action art of the new Marauder that has a good angle on it.
As an aside, I'm not a fan of the MWO Marauder. Not because it's not Marauder-ish enough, but because it looks like a baby MWO King Crab.
I am aware of that, yes.
If I am not mistaken, when I asked, I was told that design couldn't be used by CGL (or at least that they asked for a new one). I'm guessing it's for legal reasons. I am certainly happy with the one we are getting for official BT products, but there's something about that torso that I like better in the fan version, and I kind of like the gun being mounted to the actual side torso (per the record sheet) even if the artwork that they are trying to imitate has it center mounted.
The MWO is decent enough, though, for me, the arms look odd being so far inward
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If you prefer the fan version, just buy the MAD-4X miniature and add an off-center gun. I'll stick with this new MAD-3R, thank you.
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Not sound like a kill joy, but i love this thing but how is it not much different from the original unseen?
I think the Shimmering Sword one with side mounted autocannon from Bird of Prey's post least is different enough to pass the mustered.
As with the Whammie, here's all the differences I see looking at a Marauder and a Glaug Officer's Pod side by side:
1. The cockpit section is completely different: The Glaug has a obvious hinged canopy (to accomodate normal-sized Zentradi warrior) and has a camera eye where the cockpit glazing is on the MAD
2: The shapes are different all over -- the MAD is more blocky, angular and aggressive, rather than the rounded organic shapes of the Glaug
3: The arms have been totally redesigned and have been made chunkier and boxier (the Glaug has thin, cylindrical arms) and moved a bit further back along the body's centerline, the round fairings that connected the arms to the main body have been deleted
4: The PPCs are of a completely different design, with only a small callback to the Glaug's shape
5: The AC-10 has been redesigned, and has little in common with the design aestethics of the Glaug
6: Fairings/air intakes/heat sinks/some kinda greeble of that sort has been added on ether side of the main body
7: The two weapons on either side of the "chin" have been deleted, as has the antenna as it appears on the Glaug cockpit canopy
8: What looks like a red radome-looking thing has been deleted from the underside of the main body
9: The feet are completely redesigned, and are more "toed" than "hoofed" as in the Glaug.
10: It looks like the "jump-jet" analogues on the Glaug have been removed from the Marauder.
11: The connector between the AC-10 and main body on the Marauder is much stockier and completely redesigned (as opposed to the spindly mount for the particle cannon on the Glaug)
This is what I can see so far.
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That Marauder looks great.
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There is one question that must be asked: Are you 100% sure that HG is not going to sue CGL?
I don't want to read another official announcement starting with “Sometimes things just don’t go as you want them to ...”
Just to say again: Catalyst desiring to avoid ever writing "Sometimes things just don't go as you want to" again, I'd wager almost anything, has probably caused a lot of lawyers at Topps and CGL HQs a lot of overtime going over the fineries of IP law to make this as bulletproof as anything can be in a world that HG infests.
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So when do we get to see this beast attacking the Winter Palace?
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She's mine. Mellow Yellow, been waiting a long time for her.
Lineart by Anthony "Shimmering Sword" Scroggins.
IMO, it looks better in black and white than it does 'painted'
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Marvellous effort CGL team (with a mention in dispatches goes to Ray and
Andrew Anthony) for making this beauty a reality. Looking forward to be able to field the classic MAD mini alongside my unseen MAD, primitive MAD-4X and Maraunder IIC minis.
I patiently await the classic Thunderbolt and Archer with eager anticipation.
So when do we get to see this beast attacking the Winter Palace?
2016 VCE History exam, they did not get the art in time for inclusion in the 2015 exam which starts in October :D
Edit - :-[ oops, my mistake
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I love the new MAD...it just LOOKS like a Marauder.
It raises some questions though...
In particular; these *will* be in plastic, metal or both? Boxed sets, individual, or both?
I'm basically converted on the AS lance packs, only thing we need now is a place to buy them online as singles. Can you say; "Marauder Company"?
The Warhammer stuff CGL releases after the initial reveal is interesting as well...I *thought* these combat manuals would be more akin to...I dunno? 40K Codexes? But the Coloured WHM sketch, write-up and technical information said TRO to me. Hmmmm.
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...and instead concentrate on the bright future ahead.
I'll just have to get my sunglasses so I can keep looking at Adrian's avatar. 8)
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I have some answers! CGL, as of last we heard a bit ago, would like to do these in plastic. IWM will, of course, do them in metal once they are in a published source. How they will be released - boxed sets, blisters, etc. - is in the future to decide. I'd assume that plastics will be in boxed sets and metals will be in blisters.
As for the Combat Manuals, while we don't know exactly what they'll be like, their product description includes a note that each will have a "Mini TRO."
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IMO, it looks better in black and white than it does 'painted'
My avatar, my paint. ;)
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Marvellous effort CGL team (with a mention in dispatches goes to Ray and Andrew) for making this beauty a reality.
Not sure who you're trying to thank, but to clarify, the artist is Anthony "Shimmering Sword" Scroggins, and Alex "Sentinel373" Immerzeel is translating these to 3d. On the CGL side pushing, planning and oversight is done by Randall, Brent and myself ;)
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I'll admit I miss Herb's hand in things, but you guys are doing great work. Keep it up!
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Not sure who you're trying to thank, but to clarify, the artist is Anthony "Shimmering Sword" Scroggins, and Alex "Sentinel373" Immerzeel is translating these to 3d. On the CGL side pushing, planning and oversight is done by Randall, Brent and myself ;)
Oops :-[ my apologies for trying to do too many things too quickly, yes that should read Anthony (I will go back and correct that now).
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There is one question that must be asked: Are you 100% sure that HG is not going to sue CGL?
That question doesn't need to be asked by us. Leave it to CGL. HG does what they want. Had they wanted, they could've sued over the Project Phoenix designs... not saying they would have won, but they can start a lawsuit over anything they choose, foolish or not. That's the American way.
If folks insists on worrying about HG, try this:
1) Walk into the bathroom with a candle.
2) Turn out the lights, light the candle.
3) Stare into the mirror.
4) Say "Harmony Gold" slowly, three times.
5) Wait for HG's lawyers to appear and hand you a C&D.
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I'll just have to get my sunglasses so I can keep looking at Adrian's avatar. 8)
*Looks at Flecth's avatar*
You should find them already on your face
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So when do we get to see this beast attacking the Winter Palace?
Better yet, HG HQ >:D All the while holding a giant sign that reads "See what you made us do??"
A bit off topic. @Adrian Gideon, how did the Alpha Strike game at Treefort Games in Fayetteville go? You guys took so long getting everyone ready I couldn't stay till the end :(
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But...but...the Marauder...it doesn't have any HANDS!
O:-) 8) O:-)
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Very nice. Now, are we ever gonna see the Classic Marauder II, or should we just use this baby as a stand-in?
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Very nice. Now, are we ever gonna see the Classic Marauder II, or should we just use this baby as a stand-in?
I think that MAD-4A Marauder II and its more advanced models will follow eventually.
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Personally, I suspect that the IIC will end up looking more like the MWO model (because of the flat torso of the original IIC).
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A bit off topic. @Adrian Gideon, how did the Alpha Strike game at Treefort Games in Fayetteville go? You guys took so long getting everyone ready I couldn't stay till the end :(
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=48707.0 (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=48707.0)
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It was loads of fun!
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Just dropping this in here.
http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/130133588771/and-look-more-shadow-hawks
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Thanks for sharing! The art from Mer Combat Manual is really looking good so far!
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For those of you curious about Alpha Strike, we've got a new Quick-Start PDF for download.
http://bit.ly/1LiV2cb
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For those of you curious about Alpha Strike, we've got a new Quick-Start PDF for download.
http://bit.ly/1LiV2cb
You guys are awesome! I just took a peek through the Quick-start rules, and a few thoughts:
1. You guys are awesome! (Because it cannot be said enough these days O0)
2. I don't think I'll ever get tired of the hot new Classics artwork.
3. New Mini pictures -- very nice!
4. Thank you for the terrain in the PDF, especially buildings!
5. In the sample scenarios, the Whammie and Marauder are conspicuously present -- hints to a future product containing minis, perhaps? ;)
5a. Didn't go down far enough to notice the paper "standee" minis, that include the Whammie and Marauder. Still very nice :). And, hopefully, the MUL will have the line art included on the Alpha Strike cards there...
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For those of you curious about Alpha Strike, we've got a new Quick-Start PDF for download.
http://bit.ly/1LiV2cb (http://bit.ly/1LiV2cb)
Very nice indeed.
While I'm not as interested in AS as some, it is very nice to include everything to do the one scenario.
So when is this gonna be included in the download section (http://bg.battletech.com/downloads/) of the website?
Also, can the line art of the Marauder & Warhammer be added to the Gallery Section (http://bg.battletech.com/gallery/)?
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For those of you curious about Alpha Strike, we've got a new Quick-Start PDF for download.
http://bit.ly/1LiV2cb
It's a very cool pdf, and a very nice surprise to see!
A quibble/suggestion: Is it too late to edit page 32? The printable ruler erroneously gives long range out to 48".
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It's already on the "New to BattleTech" page, will be added to the rest of the site eventually.
And it will be corrected and updated in time, but it will be a while.
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New Locust (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/130143510221/unlock-story-campaign-day-one) has suddenly appeared. :D
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For those of you curious about Alpha Strike, we've got a new Quick-Start PDF for download.
http://bit.ly/1LiV2cb
Awesome!
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The story at the beginning kicked ass!
And even though I've little personal need for a QSR, I'll be printing out several out those buildings and terrain templates. O0
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It was going to happen at some point anyway, but I love seeing the new Classics art on the AS cards at the end of the PDF.
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What will make me happy? Seeing the Re-envisioned Rifleman.
However....I will take a lance of the new Shadowhawks..
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Wow, intro rules, terrain, "figures", unit cards, and even a ruler.
Seriously, you guys give away more than some companies sell.
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For those of you curious about Alpha Strike, we've got a new Quick-Start PDF for download.
http://bit.ly/1LiV2cb
Note the (exceedingly low res) preview of the Warhammer art on its card there.
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New Locust (http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/130143510221/unlock-story-campaign-day-one) has suddenly appeared. :D
I'm...not thrilled with this one.First of the bunch, I haven't been happy with. Looks more like a modified Raven or even a Jenner variant. Unlike the rest, it just does not *look* like the original.
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I'm...not thrilled with this one.First of the bunch, I haven't been happy with. Looks more like a modified Raven or even a Jenner variant. Unlike the rest, it just does not *look* like the original.
The locust was probably going to be the hardest..they also had to, like the others, keep design elements
that had come into the universe, so it could not have the classic spindly machine guns that could break
off, and the legs had to be beefier, as well. Now, if they had it posed so it had the classic splayed leg
pose? It might be more readily identifiable as the Locust.
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The locust was probably going to be the hardest..they also had to, like the others, keep design elements that had come into the universe, so it could not have the classic spindly machine guns that could break off, and the legs had to be beefier, as well. Now, if they had it posed so it had the classic splayed leg pose? It might be more readily identifiable as the Locust.
Why couldn't it have spindly machine guns and skinny legs? The Locust was supposed to be the smallest mech. This one looks huge. It looks nice and a lot closer to the original than other redesigned Locusts but it misses the Locusts small size. The weapons look like ACs and a Large laser or PPC. Adding more to the torso so the mech has a waist that can twist doesn't help either. It just make it look bigger.
Between the waist, large weapons, tiny cockpit, and the over all bigness of the mech it took me a bit to really recognize it. The Marauder, Warhammer, and Shadow Hawk were instant recognitions. What made me recognize it was the center torso turret like thing. For me that is what really gives this redesign the feeling of the Locust. Now if we could only get rules for it. :)
As far as AS QS I love the cutout mech counters! Bless you! O0 [applause]
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If you read Sentinel's post on the sculpt he's doing for the mini, it's half the height of a Warhammer. It just looks bulky for its diminutive size. Personally I think it looks great.
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Half the height? Honestly, that's too little. That's like Protomech-size (no comment on Protomech minis, never seen them, no idea of their scale).
EDIT Well, probably not too little, if the Warhammer is tall-ish. The Commando miniature from the introductory box is half the height of introductory Atlas...
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Just dropping this in here.
http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/130133588771/and-look-more-shadow-hawks
Groan! Another beautiful illustration of a new "classic" BattleMech I'll have to wait patiently to become a 3D reality... [drool]
I'm...not thrilled with this one.First of the bunch, I haven't been happy with. Looks more like a modified Raven or even a Jenner variant. Unlike the rest, it just does not *look* like the original.
I like it, but... it does not really floor me like the new artwork for the Warhammer, Marauder or Shadow Hawk have done. Still, I think it does a better job of capturing the look of the original than the current reseen versions do. I'll be looking forward to get a few to update my collection.
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If you read Sentinel's post on the sculpt he's doing for the mini, it's half the height of a Warhammer. It just looks bulky for its diminutive size. Personally I think it looks great.
He clarified later that it's not quite half the height.
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That is one locust I will NEED at least two or three of! 8)
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That new locust is a thing of beauty.
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That new locust is a thing of beauty.
I Like it too. It actually goes well with the Wolverine II.
I do hope the 'pistol' Mechs (B-mer, GRiffin, Wolvie, P Hawk) are going to be able to be built with the gun on either arm. Personal preference, being sinister myself. :-)
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I Like it too. It actually goes well with the Wolverine II.
I do hope the 'pistol' Mechs (B-mer, GRiffin, Wolvie, P Hawk) are going to be able to be built with the gun on either arm. Personal preference, being sinister myself. :-)
That would make sense in universe, actually, as all portsiders, southpaws and lefties would naturally be more comfortable firing from their left arms rather than their right, and that might make aiming more intuitive in the cockpit of a 'mech, rather than them having to try to aim "reversed" from their point of view.
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Looking great still.
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The Shadow Hawk, Warhammer, Marauder, Locust and Ostscout are gems!
I'm curious though. Why was the Thunderbolt TDR-5SE using the reseen version's image?
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I'm curious though. Why was the Thunderbolt TDR-5SE using the reseen version's image?
Error, fixed now.
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WOLVERINE! . . .
. . . where's my Wolverine?
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WOLVERINE! . . .
. . . where's my Wolverine?
Hear, hear! (Or is it "here, here?" Or "hear, here?")
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Hear, hear! (Or is it "here, here?" Or "hear, here?")
Nah, it's "Bub..." ;D
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Its "Snikt! Snikt!" :D
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Lol, I was actually going for the Red Dawn shout . . . but yeah, I better make sure the wife does not find out the mech exists or she WILL paint one in yellow & blue.
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WOLVERINE! . . .
. . . where's my Wolverine?
Be patient. Sooner or later it is going to be published.
I quite like the Royal Wolverine.
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Whoa, where are the Ost and the Thud?
(Wolverine next please?)