3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64

[dragonkid11]

Could someone put this awesome PDF in downloadable form?

As soon as I opened the pdf file at dropbox.com the page freezed.(My computer is made of dinosaur fossils if you are asking)

[Frabby]

You should be able to right-click the link in this thread's first post, and select to save the file.

[mbear]

Actually I'm plodding through 3050 A-levels and ComStar first, followed by 3057.  But I just keep getting more and more official work, so...

Clan Second Line has always been on the map, but the hold-up there is organizational - just how do I do it so that I don't have 10 tables with only 6 entries apiece different?

How about on Clan Second Line table you have all the common second line units, and an entry that reads *CLAN SPECIFIC, See Table SL-1*

Table SL-1 lists the six different entries.

I swear I'll get this out even if it kills me though.

Don't let it kill you! You're too important to the fans! Won't someone please think of the fans! ;)

[Xotl]

Xotl, I finally remembered to put up an article about this project on Sarna. See if you're happy with it, or if something should be added or changed:
Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables

Keep up the good work!  :)

Cool.  I think the original title (at least, it's the oldest one I can find) was "3025 Faction List & Deployment Tables" (since I started with just 3025).  The only other change I'd make is noting that they contain vehicles too.

Thanks for the page!

How about on Clan Second Line table you have all the common second line units, and an entry that reads *CLAN SPECIFIC, See Table SL-1*

Table SL-1 lists the six different entries.

I sort everything in the tables in BV order, so that "Clan Specific" entry would have to be all over the place, to account for the different BV positions each Clan-specific mech is.

However, I think I have an idea of how to do it along those lines, so it might be okay.

[SCC]

Xtol, if you ever get around to doing the IS 3050 and later tables will you include separate ones for C3 forces?

[pensiveswetness]

probably no need to do that since c3 modifications, though many use 3050 tables, probably didnt start being popular (or available) until later into the decade. the lists should include all the 2025 mechs refitted per TRO 3050 intitially...

i can imagine his tables, for the decade will be marked 3050, 3052, 3055, 3058 and 3060. it just gets harder because the more entries available (or references required, when it comes to refering to the 3039/2025 tables), the more messy the numbers... still gets a BZ,  from me.

[Xotl]

I have no plans for separate C3 tables.

Timeline-wise, the next tables are 3050 and then 3057.  Beyond that I haven't given it any real thought, though offhand 3067 seems a reasonable follow-up date.

[beachhead1985]

I'd love to see the throwback designs from 3075 included in the succession wars tables, and a wolf's dragoons table.

[Xotl]

They already are - the only one still in existence was the Icarus II, which I added to Marik in very small numbers.  I checked on this back when 3075 first came out - the rest were extinct by the time 3028 rolled around.

As for the Dragoons, as they already have a book dedicated entirely to them complete with individual rides for every mechwarrior, anything I did in that regard would be redundant (and would contradict canon).  Beyond that, I don't want to go down the road of trying to make a list for every unit, even "just" the major ones.

[beachhead1985]

They already are - the only one still in existence was the Icarus II, which I added to Marik in very small numbers.  I checked on this back when 3075 first came out - the rest were extinct by the time 3028 rolled around.

As for the Dragoons, as they already have a book dedicated entirely to them complete with individual rides for every mechwarrior, anything I did in that regard would be redundant (and would contradict canon).  Beyond that, I don't want to go down the road of trying to make a list for every unit, even "just" the major ones.

Fair enough.

[Hersh67]

I could make an arguement for a WD table post-4th SW.  After all, they would be decimated and rebuilding.  The influx of new (FedCom) mechs, salvage from the Dragon, and influx of new pilots, the phone book would be outdated.  Of course, *I'm* not the one that would be assembling those tables... 

[beachhead1985]

Well, my thought also being that the dragoons have fought everyone but the periphery by the time of the 4th succession war, is it not possible that some of their trademark mechs would make it into the orbats of the major powers, especially the DCMS post-misery?

Maybe what is needed is a "rare mech" table you get to with something similiar to the "____ Salvage" results. Might be a good place to put the LAMs too.

[ANS Kamas P81]

I could make an arguement for a WD table post-4th SW.  After all, they would be decimated and rebuilding.  The influx of new (FedCom) mechs, salvage from the Dragon, and influx of new pilots, the phone book would be outdated.  Of course, *I'm* not the one that would be assembling those tables...

20% A-rated 3028 Kuritan 'Mechs, 40% A-rated Davion 'Mechs, 40% merc

[Xotl]

Well, my thought also being that the dragoons have fought everyone but the periphery by the time of the 4th succession war, is it not possible that some of their trademark mechs would make it into the orbats of the major powers, especially the DCMS post-misery?

They simply don't have enough of those mechs to matter when dealing with a House-wide scale.  Think of how many Fireflys, Imps, and Hoplites the Dragoons might have over five regiments.  Now think about how many of those would have been salvaged from them (very few, considering 9 times out of ten the Dragoons control the battlefield at the end of things).  Then water that down by the number of mechs in a House army (as low as I go on the table is 1%, which when considering Kurita mechs is still something like 75 mechs).

There's plenty of room for an individual to be driving around an Imp or what have you, but in a RAT context it doesn't make sense: the numbers just don't work out.

[Sir Chaos]

I sort everything in the tables in BV order, so that "Clan Specific" entry would have to be all over the place, to account for the different BV positions each Clan-specific mech is.

I think in some cases, BV should be damned for where a unit appears on the table - for example, the 3025 DCMS considers the Dragon THE most prestigious mech in their arsenal, so it should be on the upper end of the table where better- equipped units receive more of it.

Also, may I suggest a "Special/Custom/Prototype" entry, maybe in the 990-1000 slot, for very rate mechs that aren´t numerous enough for the RATs - rare salvaged/captured units, prototypes, custom variants or configurations, stuff like that.

[FawcettE]

Hello :)

... can't find them by search, 2 things from me:

1. BigDuke66's random assignment Generator, where exactly can I find it? :)

2. In the "Historical: War Of '39" RATs, the Exterminator 4A is mentioned as available for the Federated Suns. You didn't include it, for some reason?

greetings from Germany ;)

[Xotl]

1. BigDuke66's random assignment Generator, where exactly can I find it? :)

It's in the first post: extra #2.  Be aware that he based his work on a slightly older version of my tables (8.07) and hasn't updated yet, so there's a few small things that are different.

2. In the "Historical: War Of '39" RATs, the Exterminator 4A is mentioned as available for the Federated Suns. You didn't include it, for some reason?

This is a reference to TR3025 Revised, which had the downgraded versions of the Exterminator and the other formerly TR2750 mechs.  That book however lacked any deployment info for those machines, so the authors of War of 3039 could feel free to put them wherever.  TR3039 came out after both of those books, and defined the Exterminator downgrade as a machine of which only two dozen were made in 3007, none of which survived the 4th Succession War.  New works trump old, so the War of 3039 RAT is obsolete when contradicted by later books.

greetings from Germany ;)

And to you. :)

[BigDuke66]

Yea simply forgot to proceed with my conversion to the OpenOffice file type, I was tired of MS Office and switched to LibreOffice.
I'm now reworking the tables.

One error I found:
Mechs Diamond Sharks
804   852   Black Hawk (Nova) [50]
926   975   Isorla: Major Rival

A whole between the "Black Hawk (Nova) [50]" and the "Isorla: Major Rival" entry.
Is it the Fenris C? You mentioned something for 8.1
-   added missing Fenris C to Diamond Shark tables
but I can't find the Fenris C on the table.

[Xotl]

That's hilarious: thanks for the catch.

The table should read:

001-024
025-061
062-085
086-146
147-183
184-220
221-269
270-342
343-379
380-403
404-500
501-537
538-574
575-671
672-803
804-852
853-925
926-975
976-000

with the Fenris C being the very first entry and the rest of the table proceeding as written.

[BigDuke66]

Another on the Davion 3039 mech table:
527   580   UM-R60 Urbanmech [30]**   54
585   584   SDR-5D Spider [30]   0
596   595   COM-2D Commando [25]   0
596   606   LCT-1E Locust [20]   11

I guess the bold ones don't fit.

[Xotl]

I'll get to this in the next day or two - I'm out of town at the moment.  Thanks.

[Xotl]

Okay, replace those two with:

581-584
585-595

[BigDuke66]

Thanks, do you plan to upload a corrected pdf?

[Xotl]

I keep dreaming of a new version that would also have the fixes, so we'll see.

[pensiveswetness]

you mean, i should just print the damn thing and pen/ink/white out?  [blank]Well i do have a 9.997-year old artist, i could always get her to do the fixes on paper...  >:D

[BigDuke66]

OK here are the "3028-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables 8.2" for Mechs and Vehicles as OpenOffice Calc file with the latest corrections form XOTL.
Didn't do PDFs this time as Libre Office has too few options to make them look good, maybe someone else has better software for doing this.

http://www31.zippyshare.com/v/56667663/file.html

[Xotl]

Awesome: thanks a lot Duke.

Can you verify that the following file has captured everything in your original, intact?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/357573/3028-3050%20Faction%20Assignment%20%26%20Rarity%20Tables%208.2%20MECHS.xlsx
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/357573/3028-3050%20Faction%20Assignment%20%26%20Rarity%20Tables%208.2%20VEHICLES.xlsx

Excel 2010 complained about lost content when trying to open the originals, but in converting them to .xlsx it warned that some data may have been lost.

[Wrangler]

Thanks for keepiong this going, Xotl.

[BigDuke66]

I tested them with the latest LibreOffice version and it seems that the drop down menus on the table page & generator page don't work so your not going to get any results out of them, also the diagrams are messed up(background missing, sizes changed, text overlapping, etc.) and the colors of the page tabs are missing.
Besides that nothing seems to miss.

[greywolf79]

I know not how to make it look good - but I have adobe acrobat pro 11 and office enterprise 2007 edition. If someone wants to guide me through it and provide any template type items for it to look good, I will work on it some (as I am able to anyway).