Author Topic: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64 (Read 284859 times)

BigDuke66 · « **Reply #270 on:** 03 May 2013, 23:35:46 »

Well doesn't have to look pretty, just try it using my files and make each tab on one page, I wonder if that will look OK at all as the Office files Xotl uploaded had the diagrams messed up a bit si I'm afraid that will be in the PDFs too.

greywolf79 · « **Reply #271 on:** 05 May 2013, 20:10:55 »

Quote from: BigDuke66 on 30 April 2013, 16:48:30

I tested them with the latest LibreOffice version and it seems that the drop down menus on the table page & generator page don't work so your not going to get any results out of them, also the diagrams are messed up(background missing, sizes changed, text overlapping, etc.) and the colors of the page tabs are missing.
Besides that nothing seems to miss.

I think the problem is compatibility... I opened your files in office 2010 and it gave me error messages for some thing - will have to load it again to see the specifics again. But it could just be that it is a problem with MS files not going into the non-MS systems.

BigDuke66 · « **Reply #272 on:** 06 May 2013, 00:05:59 »

Or maybe that Office 2010 is a bit too old, release was 2010 and not sure if any standards for the OpenOffice filetypes changed meanwhile so that O2010 has problems with a file that is made by a current LibreOffice version with current OpenOffice standards.

McSlayer · « **Reply #273 on:** 13 June 2013, 08:05:46 »

Hey... dumb question.. but how come no one has created a IS House table for Liao, Kurita, Davion, Steiner, and Mark for 3050 or 3052, etc....

Why is there only a house table for 3039?

What if some of us get tired of introductory tech house mechs?

I am looking for a very complete tables with all mechs in that era... not just a random 2d6 table either.

Anyone know where I should look?

FawcettE · « **Reply #274 on:** 13 June 2013, 09:01:29 »

To be honest, I've downloaded this great table O0 ,...
but didn't use it already. For practical use (not for scientific ;) ) the official tables seem adequate.
I've copied them from Field Manuals, Era Reports, Historicals, Sourcebooks, etc.
We use the basic Field Manual series for battles/campaigns around 3052-3061, the Field Manual: Updates tables for battles before the Jihad era and in early Jihad. There are more, PN me if you are interested.

To create a scientific usable >:D table requires millions of real life time, I imagine. Could be the reason why this one is only available for 3039. (But I've to admit, the main body of players araound me have grown tired of playing Introduction timeline too ... O:-) )

Netzilla · « **Reply #275 on:** 13 June 2013, 15:27:45 »

Basically, it just boils down to being a lot of work being done in the creator's spare time. Also, as the timeline advances, the number of potential units to include in the table grows significantly (as you can still find plenty of intro tech on the battlefield in the 3050s), so the tables get more complicated and harder to complete.

pensiveswetness · « **Reply #276 on:** 13 June 2013, 21:26:23 »

Quote from: Netzilla on 13 June 2013, 15:27:45

Basically, it just boils down to being a lot of work being done in the creator's spare time. Also, as the timeline advances, the number of potential units to include in the table grows significantly (as you can still find plenty of intro tech on the battlefield in the 3050s), so the tables get more complicated and harder to complete.

well because the lists are made from the POV of BV2, and specific varients common to a faction, i sorta would imagine the 3052 list would be split between older legacy models and well as models from TRO 3050u, in the same fashion that of 3039 table to DCMS and DCMS 'A-rated' tables. the one question and difficulty with this is because what % of machines were new built by each faction as opposed to older models rebuilt with the upgrade kits... and toss in how many units were destroyed or captured by the clans... so yeah, it aint easy and just having the tables he made now is awesome enough LOL...

EthrDemon · « **Reply #277 on:** 20 September 2013, 14:45:09 »

I see someone else already caught the 3039 Davion Spider/Commando overlap issue, but I haven't seen any comments about the 3039 Kurita one:

424-486 UM-R60 Urbanmech [30]**
487-486 THE-S Thorn [20]
487-499 HSR-300-D Hussar [30]

Aware?

Xotl · « **Reply #278 on:** 20 September 2013, 15:29:39 »

My main computers (yes, plural) have both died, but when I get the chance I'll at the very least up a new version with these typos corrected and a small quirk update.

Thanks for the catches.

beachhead1985 · « **Reply #279 on:** 21 September 2013, 15:12:05 »

Quote from: Xotl on 20 September 2013, 15:29:39

My main computers (yes, plural) have both died, but when I get the chance I'll at the very least up a new version with these typos corrected and a small quirk update.

Thanks for the catches.

rock on and keep up the good work!

EthrDemon · « **Reply #280 on:** 21 September 2013, 20:01:01 »

Caught one more typo, Clan Diamond Shark:

672-803 Black Hawk (Nova) A [50]
804-852 Black Hawk (Nova) [50]
926-975 Isorla: Major Rival
976-000 Isorla: Other Clan

Good luck with the computer issues, we really appreciate the work you're doing.

BigDuke66 · « **Reply #281 on:** 22 September 2013, 00:18:15 »

Posted that already here:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,1219.msg653282.html#msg653282
Below that post is also Xotls fix.

EthrDemon · « **Reply #282 on:** 28 September 2013, 00:38:55 »

Thanks BD66, missed that previous post.

Also, I'm just about finished getting these tables transcribed into Google Docs, I can share that if anyone is interested as long as it's ok with Xotl

Xotl · « **Reply #283 on:** 01 October 2013, 21:18:03 »

While I don't mind private sharing with friends, I'm asking that you don't share this publicly, since as I understand it I wouldn't have control over the file. I've seen too many projects out there with multiple obsolete versions floating around because of their being hosted on various sites that the creator can't access.

Thanks.

EthrDemon · « **Reply #284 on:** 04 October 2013, 11:45:08 »

No problem, that's why I asked first.

Xotl · « **Reply #285 on:** 14 January 2014, 14:31:30 »

Howdy. I'm looking to update, and as part of that I have to take the new Quirks into account. If anyone has any suggestions for older units that fit the new Quirks featured in TR 3145/RS 3145 that would be appreciated.

Garner · « **Reply #286 on:** 14 January 2014, 14:42:59 »

What sort of timeframe do we have for submissions, Xotl? Can't promise I'll be able to make any worthwhile contributions, but I'd be honoured to assist if I can.

Xotl · « **Reply #287 on:** 14 January 2014, 15:13:01 »

Whatever it takes, really - you're helping me out here, after all. There's always future updates if suggestions mix the next one.

All I suggest is be a bit conservative. For example, Battlefists isn't just mechs with fists; it needs to have spiky things or be especially clublike or have some reference in the text to the mech intended to brawl - that sort of thing.

pensiveswetness · « **Reply #288 on:** 14 January 2014, 17:20:50 »

i'm not sure any of the TRO 3145 quirks apply to 3025/3039/3050 era units. (maybe the Compact 'mech quirk applies to the Vulcan, which already possesses the Narrow/Low Profile quirk)

Xotl · « **Reply #289 on:** 14 January 2014, 17:25:19 »

Maybe not (well, we know the Awesome has Battlefists), but for my Quirks lists I've covered every Technical Readout. So, mechs above 3050 are fair game here too.

pensiveswetness · « **Reply #290 on:** 14 January 2014, 17:32:17 »

you mean your working on 3055 and 3058 lists now? which TRO's are you looking for socitiations? wouldn't be better to run poles on particular mechs for specific quirks?

Xotl · « **Reply #291 on:** 14 January 2014, 17:40:40 »

I'm working on 3050 and 3057 RATs. But my Quirk lists have always been for all eras, so for the quirks lists I'm looking for any mech from any source or faction in any time period that the new quirks apply to.

JeremyA · « **Reply #292 on:** 09 February 2014, 15:49:59 »

Xotl, your work is amazing, thank you so much!
Forgive me if you've already dealt with this, or if it is unsubstantiated, I'm late to the party and only browsed through the ten pages of history.

I read on Encyclopedia Battletech that the Mackie 6S had the best sensors ever designed in the Inner Sphere. It didn't seem to mean "up to that time" but I guess that could be inferred because of later designs noted in turn for their own sensors capabilities as being superior. Perhaps it would simply be a time based quirk? Improved Sensors until a given year, maybe when the Osts came out or something? I don't know if it is canon fluff since I couldn't find it anywhere else, and their Mackie 5S is waay off in the weapons department.

I'm working on a project of my own starting with the first 'Mech and working forward, hence my obsession with the Mackie, and I couldn't find an answer elsewhere.

Thank you!
Jeremy

Xotl · « **Reply #293 on:** 10 February 2014, 15:07:49 »

I would definitely consider it "up to that time", if I was placing quirks for it. As for what year it would get cut off, I try not to delve into that level of detail, as it can only ever be pure supposition, and I prefer to have at least some basis for the decision I make, even if shaky.

Thanks for your interest!

JeremyA · « **Reply #294 on:** 14 February 2014, 13:05:58 »

Upon further investigation I discovered the same line on Solaris 7's 'standard' MSK-6S build with fluff. So I'm finally confident that it's substantiated. :D I did wind up with another question though... The PPC was first introduced by the Terren Hegemony in 2460, but the Mackie MSK-5S was introduced in 2439. I didn't catch a mention of the PPC being an early prototype and it had to have been produced in large enough quantities for all the 5Ss built by the Hegemony. XTRO Primitives Vol I implies strongly that the TH constructed many 5Ss between 2439 and (shortly before) 2459. I'm leaning toward naming it a prototype weapon, but having the status of mass-produced leaves me a bit uncomfortable with that... any other ideas?

Scotty · « **Reply #295 on:** 14 February 2014, 13:15:10 »

Check to make sure the PPC introduction date hasn't been errata'd.

JeremyA · « **Reply #296 on:** 14 February 2014, 13:28:42 »

I spent some time checking and didn't find any errata'd changes to the introductory date. But Ill investigate further later in the day. Thank you!

Xotl · « **Reply #297 on:** 14 February 2014, 14:33:28 »

Current PPC date is still 2460, so I'll check on this.

Xotl · « **Reply #298 on:** 14 February 2014, 18:25:38 »

It turns out this was already noted earlier. There's a solution to this, but it will have to wait for a later product.

Thanks!

HMS_Swiftsure · « **Reply #299 on:** 15 February 2014, 02:56:52 »

Xotl, I have a ton of respect for you in general, but especially considering that you're tackling RATs for the IS 3050+.

I ended up making a 3056 RAT out of faulty logic(all factories produce 'Mechs at the same rate, rite?), probably incomplete data(Sarna is probably not the end-all source for factory locations and production outputs), and leaps of logic that could propel a man across the Grand Canyon(variant[s/production], how do they work?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56997382/3056_force_setup.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56997382/3056Workbook.pdf

As you can see, the end result is dodgy. It relies upon your 3039 tables to generate unupgraded forces, which is probably all sorts of wrong for 3056 use. About the only nice thing is the ability to 'dial in' your specific forces upgrade percentage.

We've been having fun with it, but once your version comes out we'll be dumping this hodgepodge version with enthusiasm.