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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #300 on: 15 February 2014, 03:10:13 »
Cool - it's nice to see someone run with what I had.  I'm still poking away at newer tables, slowly but surely: errata and the Alpha Strike point system have occupied my time (plus a surprise, though that's a long way off).

Here's my list of the new units that will be added for 3050 and 3057.  It's complete as far as I know (though if anything is missing let me know), but as you can see I haven't really started on Av yet.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/357573/3050-57.xlsx
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #301 on: 24 February 2014, 03:30:19 »
So, as I continue to chip away at these things, I keep butting up against one item that is really odd.  Namely, the oddball FedCom regiment numbers that occur in 3050.

Between 3039 and 3050, regiments under FedSuns nominal command drop by ten, from 87.33 to 77.33.

Meanwhile, regiments under Lyran nominal command increase a touch.  That is, they climb from 67.33 to 112.

Now, even if we accept that the missing 10 Davion regiments are merely administratively lost, i.e., they were transferred to Lyran command, we're still left with 35 fresh regiments for the Lyrans in 3050.  Am I reading the 20 Year Update tables right?  Can anyone add any further background to this?
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #302 on: 24 February 2014, 03:38:42 »
When you add in the new March Militia and Training Commands for the LCAF and the fact that the Sarna March is part of the Lyran State command and not the Suns State command, it makes more sense.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #303 on: 24 February 2014, 03:40:59 »
Just a thought - could this increase be attributed to adoption of combined arms formations?  A concept lifted from the folks to the galactic southeast?

I've got no sources to back this up, just a feeling.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #304 on: 24 February 2014, 04:48:26 »
No, only 'Mech commands are ever listed

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #305 on: 28 February 2014, 11:04:36 »
Doing a recount using a better methodology I have a total of 104 which, while still a huge increase, is a bit better.

Liao and Kurita 3050 tables are done, moving onto the rest.  Should be good for a release next week.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #306 on: 28 February 2014, 11:13:08 »
Well the 20YU are a bit unclear compared to the 39 tables as they show the deployment and mix all units including mercenaries into it, Wo39 collects the different formations and gives a better overview what regiments exist.
A quick look showed me that the main increase seems to be from all the new Militia regiments, in Wo39 there were only 2 but by 3050 the LC seems to be filled up into every corner with Militas.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #307 on: 28 February 2014, 11:16:47 »
Yeah: it seems the entire industrial output of both the Davion and Steiner halves for ten years went into garrisoning the hell out of Steiner space.  It's the reason why Steiner is going to have an A-rated table, like I used for Kurita in 3039: too many militia units to realistically put all machines on the same table for them.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #308 on: 28 February 2014, 15:06:06 »
Good her some numbers maybe they are useful to you, I compared the Wo39 table with that from the 20YU but only Steiner and Davion as the listing on Wo39 isn't complete for Mercs & FWL, there is nothing for Periphery and I'm also not sure if Liao is complete, only other one that I think is complete is Kurita so if you want something checked there tell me.

First some numbers from Wo39:
Steiner Units:
29 RCTs
29 Mech Reg.(including the 5 Tikonov Republican Guards)
2 Mech Bat.(Winfields Brigade)
6 Militia Reg.
6 Training Bat.
2 Training Grp.(not sure what the size of these "Groups" are)

Davion Units
44 RCTs(including 6 FedCom RCTs)
11 Mech Reg.
24 Militia Reg.
5 Academy Bat.
10 Training Bat.


Now changes compared to Wo39
New Steiner Units
26 Militia Units
Corey SMM
Kaifeng SMM
Nanking SMM
Hot Springs TMM
Wotan TMM
Twycross TMM
Laurent TMM
Koniz TMM
Kelenfold TMM
Accrington SMM
Alexandria SMM
Lyons SMM
Denebola SMM
Gacrux SMM
Nekkar SMM
Dar-es-Salaam TMM
Dixie TMM
Penobscot TMM
Teyvarab PMM
Florida PMM
Alekseyevka PMM
Qanatir PMM
Neerabup PMM
Chahar PMM
Carlisle DMM
Alarion DMM

New Davion Units
6 FedCom RCTs
10th FedCom RCT
8th FedCom RCT
9th FedCom RCT
12th FedCom RCT
11th FedCom RCT
7th FedCom RCT
I listed them as Davion units because they are also under Davion listed on the Wo39 tables.


Changes on Steiner units
4 lost RCT status:
15th Arcturan Guards
3rd Donegal Guards
11th Donegal Guards
13th Donegal Guards

9 gained RCT status:
8th Arcturan Guards
11th Arcturan Guards
24th Arcturan Guards
10th Donegal Guards
12th Donegal Guards
1st Lyran Guards
11th Lyran Guards
19th Lyran Guards
30th Lyran Guards

Other changes:
Winfield’s Brigade is now listed as Winfield’s Regiment so it's likely that a 3rd battalion was added.

Changes on Davion Units
1 lost RCT status:
12th Deneb Light Cavalry

Errors while comparing:
The 5th Syrtis Fusiliers RCT is twice on the 20YU list, it's likely that the entry under Steiner command on Bora is wrong, so either that entry shows a new regiment(as no old is missing from Wo39) or it's simply an entry that can be ignored.


A note on the RCT changes, at that time typos are not unlikely and an RCT at the end of the name is easily added or deleted so be careful and don't depend to much on it unless conformed by other sources.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #309 on: 28 February 2014, 15:14:28 »
BTW not sure how you counted and recounted the other numbers but what surely mixes them up from the 20YU is that a bunch of Steiner units are now under Davion and even more Davion units under Steiner command.

10 Steiner units serve under Davion command and another unit is stationed in the St. Ives Compact.
28 Davion units serve under Steiner command, that includes 10 FedCom RCTs and another unit is stationed in the St. Ives Compact.
The higher Davion number(even without the FeCom RCTs) is surely from the fact that the Sarna March is under Steiner Command.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #310 on: 28 February 2014, 15:23:36 »
And a note on production, isn't it likely that the new technologies coming in the 30's and 40's lead to frontline units getting these new mechs and upgrade packages and relocate their equipment that is either not upgradeable or too old to the militias?
So maybe we see the Steiner & Davion frontline units with new tech equipment and the new militas more on the level on 3025-3030.
Also a slight shift could be possible, lets say Steiner produces more mechs especially with the Sarna factories now also working for Steiner(at least I think so), Steiner could contribute more to improving Davions frontline units while Davion could give their old stuff to the new Steiner Militias, so maybe we see a stronger presence of Davion equipment in the new Steiner Militias.
Well these are just some quick ideas by me, nothing that I can support by an official source.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #311 on: 02 March 2014, 23:53:17 »
If anyone is using the 3050 Clan mech tables in MegaMek, I generated a new version that should be closer to working as intended.

The problem with the set included in MegaMek currently is that it uses IS mechs as salvage even though the tables are supposed to be for front-line Clan units.  Instead of having Rival Clan and Other Clan salvage, they have a lot of IS salvage.  And the salvage is at a much higher rate than it is supposed to be.  ('A' rated units have almost half of their mechs coming from IS salvage, for example.)


Files + sloppy notes in this thread:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,37368.msg873363.html#msg873363

If I used the wrong clans as rivals or has other issues, let me know so I can fix it.  (Or download the the code from github and fix it yourself.)
It uses the ER 3052 tables for clans with no 3050 entry.  The files generated for those clans are probably not too useful, but they are included anyways.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #312 on: 03 March 2014, 00:06:16 »
For the Quirks you asked about before, I'd give ALL Clan 'Mechs and vehicles (Even the Omni's) the Easy to Maintain, Fast Reload and Modular Weapons Quirks to reflect the increased levels of standardization in the Clan industrial sector and in the 'Mechs design. Of course that only applies when dealing with CLAN techs, instead Difficult To Maintain and Non-Standard Parts would apply when these machines are in the hands of IS techs

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #313 on: 27 April 2014, 13:46:59 »
I have a question regarding the excellent RAT posted by XOTL.

While this is briefly explained in the first post, I'm not quite clear on the "rarity" section of each faction. 

For instance, some tables might list a number such as "152" on the graph out of 350, next to a 'Mech Variant name.  Is this supposed to represent a rough percentage of a 'Mech type available?  "43% Light Lances of *Faction Name* consist of *Mech X*" ?

Also, has there been any updates regarding the 3050 and 3057 time frame?  I'm eager to see the work/research done for a list of those Era's as well.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #314 on: 27 April 2014, 13:52:05 »
I would love to volunteer my time and effort to the 3050 project. 3025 is finally starting to get stale, and the published RATs get so dull, so quick that they are not even really that fun to use anymore. xotl has spoiled me.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #315 on: 27 April 2014, 23:12:56 »
I got really close to the end of the 3050 tables, but then the twin double of end-of-term and convention season hit which has eaten the past month or so.  I should have some time once May starts, though I'll be gone for June and July on a research trip as well.

Real life just keeps getting busier for me, I'm afraid.

Taskaroo: can you give an example of what you're referring to - as in, with page number and direct reference and such?  Are you talking about the excel spreadsheet, or my tables?  The tables are made by another, so I wouldn't be able to help you there.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #316 on: 28 April 2014, 18:41:03 »
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #317 on: 28 April 2014, 19:28:47 »
Xtol, your Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables are amazing work.

I wish they could be intrigrated into MegaMek.  Its truely, something.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #318 on: 28 April 2014, 20:05:10 »
Taskaroo: can you give an example of what you're referring to - as in, with page number and direct reference and such?  Are you talking about the excel spreadsheet, or my tables?

Hello Xotl,

What I refer to are the rarity parts of the faction tables, like this showing a graph:



I understand that you made these on a 10 point scale and they aren't entirely representative of canon (but close enough), but let's say if I was going to make a campaign to determine, for instance, how much "supply" I start with for Light 'Mechs of a certain faction, how would this be calculated?  Can I gain a percentage simply by dividing, let's say the number given to a STG-3R Stinger (152) out of 160 - does this mean 95% of Light 'Mechs available would be Stingers?  Or does it refer to how common it would be?  I'm trying to determine how I can use these scales for campaign building.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #319 on: 28 April 2014, 21:16:43 »
As I made the office version of XOTLs tables let me answer this.
XOTLs tables are based on a "dice range" of 1000, my tables now show the area in these D1000 range that is covered be a mech so taking your question as example, out of 1000 light mechs 152 would be STG-3R Stinger, if you want you can also see it as percentage but the last digit is always a fraction of a full percent.
Again taking your example 152 would be 15,2% and small numbers like the FLC-4N Falcon would be 0,5%.

I hope that helps.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #320 on: 29 April 2014, 11:04:08 »
Xtol, your Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables are amazing work.

I wish they could be intrigrated into MegaMek.  Its truely, something.

Thank You!

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #321 on: 29 April 2014, 16:36:02 »
Look under "/data/rat/unofficial".
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #322 on: 01 May 2014, 06:09:02 »
Two minor points about the current document:

Technically, a d1000 is not a "percentile" roll (which is what you write in your introduction). Suggest to delete the word "percentile".

More importantly, what about the XTRO:Succession Wars designs?

I think the Steiner 3028 RAT should include the ZEU-6Y and the Marik 3028 table should include the FLE-14.

The CTF-0X may or may not belong on the list, though I think not, for two reasons: It apparently wasn't built in any notable numbers after all, the design being shelved after "one shipment" of prototypes. Given Tikonov's production capacity I suppose a shipment is around a company of CTF-0X, not enough to make it onto a RAT. The other point is that those few that existed were obviously exclusively used for special forces, and not available to the CCAF in general.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #323 on: 01 May 2014, 12:45:31 »
Percentile deleted.

I created the Zeus, so I can tell you for sure it was a failure and not enough were built to matter.  The Cataphract is similarly rare I think.

But the FLE-14 I think could make it in at Rarity 1 I think, though it would disappear off the tables fairly soon.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #324 on: 05 May 2014, 22:19:52 »
Looks neat. Tagged for later reference.

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.0
« Reply #325 on: 07 May 2014, 13:25:46 »
After a couple of years off, here’s v9.0:

-   Quirk updates
-   Minor corrections to faction lists
-   Added Mercury to Star League Regular tables (thanks MadCap)
-   Added the 75-ton Stalker to all Inner Sphere tables
-   Added the 15 ton Flea from XTR Succession Wars Vol. 1 to Marik and Periphery General (thanks Frabby)
-   Corrected 3050 regiment numbers for the Federated Commonwealth (thanks Anons 1 & 2), added 3145 details

-   Oh yeah, and new 3050 Inner Sphere Mech tables

They look fairly simple, but there's a bit of behind-the-scenes stuff you should know.

First, this is the table where unit types begin to go extinct, at least for certain Houses.  By "extinct" I mean no longer available in large enough quantities to meet the requirements for Av in that faction.  Those Falcons and Clints are on borrowed time.

Second, I have a running tally of the actual number of each mech in service in each House.  This does not appear in the public tables, as it's merely guesswork on my part and I don't want to go down that road.  The reason I'm telling you about it is because this is what I use to keep each iteration of the tables internally consistent.  By keeping a per-unit count, I can ensure that over time, those units that are no longer in production slowly are reduced in numbers.  I don't worry about it for units that are still somehow conceivably available to that House, but for things like Urbanmechs and Ostscouts it means that, whether the Av actually changes or not for a given unit there will be fewer such units in each table release, representing attrition over time.  For example, by my internal counter the Kuritan 3039 army had 177 Spider -5Vs, at Av 6.  The 3050 tables still have Av 6, but the count is now down to 171.  They'll lose a bunch more Spiders in the 3057 tables, and probably drop to Av 5 then.  So, long story short, even if it's not visible, each House is slowly bleeding away its non-replaceable machines.  It's not fast, because many of these machines still show up in distant militias in 3085, but it will definitely be noticeable over time.

Steiner has two tables, the only House to do so.  That's because they add almost three dozen regiments to their faction total between 3039 and 3050, and so I felt the need to separate things out to ensure all that new construction was represented properly.  The way their two tables are structured, A&B and C&D, will be the way I'll be handling every House in the 3057 tables.

Liao has the most extinctions, the result of the shellacking they took in 3028, and all their new construction since then.  It makes their tables a bit dull for now, but that's the way it is.  They'll get more interesting soon enough.

As always, feedback is greatly appreciated, especially in these early stages of a major new release.  If I missed a unit, or a reference to hard numbers, or anything else relevant, I want to know about it.  Thanks!


P.S. One final note: the Faction Lists, which list all the Av numbers, are still blank, simply because it's been so long since I had to do that that I've forgotten how I originally automated that process in Excel, and there's no way I'm going back to doing it by hand.  I'll put out another update with 3050 Avs once I manage to figure out how the hell to do so.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.0
« Reply #326 on: 07 May 2014, 13:45:30 »
Those Falcons and Clints are on borrowed time.

Given how much I love both of those mechs its a good thing variants of both designs go back into production in the middle/late 3050's and last until at least the late 3060's.

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.0
« Reply #327 on: 07 May 2014, 14:21:57 »
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.0
« Reply #328 on: 07 May 2014, 15:26:09 »
Awesome stuff, Xotl. Thanks for putting so much hard work into this, it's really an amazing Btech resource.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.0
« Reply #329 on: 07 May 2014, 16:52:36 »
Thanks for all of your hard work, Xotl!