3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64

[Wrangler]

Xotl, are you going to do other eras?

[Xotl]

3057 is next.  No idea as to an ETA.  I need to redo the vehicle tables I think before I move on to the future.

[BigDuke66]

Yea thanks for all the hard work.  O0

[Wrangler]

3057 is next.  No idea as to an ETA.  I need to redo the vehicle tables I think before I move on to the future.

Super Cool!

[pensiveswetness]

Super Cool!

with this newest version of the tables, is it safe to delete the previous version i have saved?  O0 TUVM btw, mate.

[Rainbow 6]

3057 is next.  No idea as to an ETA.  I need to redo the vehicle tables I think before I move on to the future.

Good to know, its a cracking resource  O0

[beachhead1985]

Nice!

[Draco]

Heads up, Federated Suns 3050 Light table, there's a gap between 571-573 SDR-5D Spider and 577-599 COM-2D Commando. Something supposed to go there, or just one of hose two supposed to be bigger?

[Xotl]

Cool, thanks for the catch.  There's supposed to be a handful of Commando -3As filling that gap.  I'll up a fixed version tomorrow.

[Frabby]

I created the Zeus, so I can tell you for sure it was a failure and not enough were built to matter.  The Cataphract is similarly rare I think.

Agree on the Cataphract. Not so sure about the ZEU-6Y though, seeing how
1) the writeup concludes with an editor's note saying (paraphrased) that despite ComStar's possibly deliberately misleading negative evaluation the ZEU-6Y Zeus was a fairly successful experiment that was in fact built in limited numbers - enough so that it should have been mentioned in TRO3025;
2) "extinct" designs such as the Falcon are in fact still present on the tables;
3) if 171-177 Spiders are enough to warrant an Av6 in the Draconis Combine, even if only 10 ZEU-6Y were built I reckon it should warrant Av1 in the Lyran Commonwealth. Compare to perhaps 2-3 Victor-9S which I agree may not be notable enough to matter in the big picture.

( and 4), I so want to see the ZEU-6Y as a regular deployment unit! ;) )

PS: Yes I do realize that I'm arguing against the person who wrote the fluff text about how it should be interpreted. That doesn't put me off; I'm a lawyer and I like a challenge.

Edit: For clarity - I'm arguing for the Zeus to be included here, not the Cataphract

[nckestrel]

There's not even confirmation that the CTF-0X actually existed :).
My intention was that the CTF-0X's used on St. Ives were all destroyed, causing the CCAF to view CTF's as too limited a platform to carry their expensive, prototype EW gear.  The Cataphracts draw too much fire and can't get away.  The CCAF went with stealth rather than combat disruption as the best use for their EW.
If that makes any sense..

[Frabby]

Umm, yeah... like I wrote I agree with the Cataphract not being in the tables; I was actually talking about the ZEU-6Y Zeus variant carrying a Blazer.  :)

(Nevertheless, I enjoyed that Cataphract entry very much, so kudos for that!)

[mdauben]

3057 is next.  No idea as to an ETA.  I need to redo the vehicle tables I think before I move on to the future.

Thanks for all the hard work on this, Xotl!   O0

[Xotl]

Yes, it was built in (very) limited numbers (Defiance had that capacity, after all), but In this case it's not just a matter of numbers.  The Zeus melted when used.  This rather precluded its use in the field.

[Xotl]

Also, corrected version 9.01 uploaded that fixes the missing Davion light mech issue.

[nckestrel]

Umm, yeah... like I wrote I agree with the Cataphract not being in the tables; I was actually talking about the ZEU-6Y Zeus variant carrying a Blazer.  :)

(Nevertheless, I enjoyed that Cataphract entry very much, so kudos for that!)

Heh, there was so much background work done on that one entry...I hate not having it all out there ;). 
(ok, maybe not a lot for many BattleTech writers, but as a purely amateur writer, it was a great deal of background work for me..)

[Sir Chaos]

The Zeus melted when used.  This rather precluded its use in the field.

:o

Yes, I can see why they would come to that conclusion.

[Daryk]

So, what will it take to get a unit with a Blazer as a regular deployment unit?  ::)

[Xotl]

If I have my way, you'll see something in a couple of years.

[Daryk]

As if you weren't already my hero! O0

Now, to find someone to fix the Mark VII... :P

[SCC]

About those Av numbers, are they fixed or proportional? Because there's like 5 vehicles for every 'Mech, and more 'Mech designs then vehicle ones

[Xotl]

Definitely proportional, although I didn't even bother trying to cross-proportion between mechs and vehicles, as we have no canon numbers for vehicles.

But Av 5 means a lot more for the Commonwealth than it does the Confederation.

[BigDuke66]

A bit feedback on the house regiment numbers.

Liao has between 16.33 and 19 regiments in 3050.
16.33 is with each Warriorhouse having 1 Mechbat. and 19 is when each Warriorhouse has 2 Mechbat..
I know that 20YU says 2 Bat. but I'm not sure if really 2 Mechbat. are meant because the Warriorhouses consisted always out of 1 Mechbat. and 1 Infantrybat., maybe someone knows if they kept it that way or changed it.

Steiner has 93.66 in 3050, the .66 are from the 2 Training Groups, you counted them as 1/3 already on the 3039 column so I did the same here.
These are pure Steiner units(no mercs) but with the 5 Republican Regiments of Tikonov and the 2 Training Groups are from Sarna and Tikonov too but all are incorporated into the Lyran Commonwealth State Command.

Marik has 55 in 3050, maybe 56 is just a typo.

Davion has 78.33 in 3028 and 93.33 in 3050.
Just pure Davion units without mercs and St. Ives units.

[SCC]

Big Duke, I thought the Warrior House each had full regiments.

And I've noticed something weird on page 66, while there aren't vehicle Av numbers given on the pages that follow there are adjustment numbers for them given, for example:
Capellan Confederation
Battlemaster -1
Cataphract -1X +4, -2X +4
Centurion -1
Cronus CNS-3M 1
Hunchback HBK-4SP 1
Raven +2, RVN-3X 1, RVN-4X 2
Thunderbolt -2
Drillson 4
Po 7
Skulker +1
Zhukov 5

[Frabby]

The Capellan Warrior Houses typically have one 'Mech battalion, one or two of them have two. They are not full  'Mech regiments.
However, they technically aren't part of the CCAF in the first place; they are a special case and quite different from the Capellan Confederation at large.

[Draco]

Grim tidings, fans-of-tables, another gap has been found.
On Marik 3050 Heavy there's a gap between 684-686 BL-7-KNT-L Black Knight and 693-712 GHR-5H Grasshopper. 0.6% of Marik heavy 'mech pilots are left dispossessed as a result! DCMS advisers, visiting as part of the Kapetyn agreements, won't stop going on about dedication to number puzzles.

Or maybe it's where the CRD-5M Crusader, absent from the 3050 list, will go.

As an aside, is anyone else annoyed that the captcha won't accept 'negative, I am a meat popsicle' as a correct answer to the question 'Are you human'? Mods, you're dropping the ball here.

* Also, just noticed the JM6-S appears twice on the Capellan 3050 Heavy table. It's just a double listing though, if you delete the extra one the numbers work out.

[Xotl]

A bit feedback on the house regiment numbers.

Liao has between 16.33 and 19 regiments in 3050.
16.33 is with each Warriorhouse having 1 Mechbat. and 19 is when each Warriorhouse has 2 Mechbat..
I know that 20YU says 2 Bat. but I'm not sure if really 2 Mechbat. are meant because the Warriorhouses consisted always out of 1 Mechbat. and 1 Infantrybat., maybe someone knows if they kept it that way or changed it.

Steiner has 93.66 in 3050, the .66 are from the 2 Training Groups, you counted them as 1/3 already on the 3039 column so I did the same here.
These are pure Steiner units(no mercs) but with the 5 Republican Regiments of Tikonov and the 2 Training Groups are from Sarna and Tikonov too but all are incorporated into the Lyran Commonwealth State Command.

Marik has 55 in 3050, maybe 56 is just a typo.

Davion has 78.33 in 3028 and 93.33 in 3050.
Just pure Davion units without mercs and St. Ives units.

Do you have something that shows those counts?  I went through 20 Year Update as well, but obviously I've come out with different numbers: I was just wondering if you could show your work for me to check against.

SCC: I have internal numbers for the vehicles I haven't put onto the faction lists yet, but since I plan on redoing all the vehicles anyways that won't show up for a bit anyways.

Dracon: thanks for the catches.  I'll put out a fixed list once I hash out these regiment numbers (and it's the Orion -1M that's missing, by the way).

[Netzilla]

Just spotted an issue on the Mechs - Draconis Combine (House Kurita) table:

Code: [Select]

424-486  UM-R60 Urbanmech
487-486 THE-S Thorn

Make's it a little tricky to roll the Thorn.  ;)

[NeonKnight]

Just wanted to point out.

Went through the RAT table to organize my mechs into chassis rather than individual makes, and I found no mention of the following mechs:

Hoplite - Only 2750, though the MUL shows the 4D as introduced in 3050, so they should have still been kicking around prior to that.

Annihilator - No mention at all except in the quirks. My own research via Sarna shows it was used by at least the Lyran Commonwealth.

Vehicles - No breakdown after 3039, and no mention at all of VTOLs or Aerospace.

I love this work, especially because the MUL says for anything from Clan invasion or Earlier to use the RAT from TW or other product, which is kinda sad when soo many of those are OOP :(

[Xotl]

Just spotted an issue on the Mechs - Draconis Combine (House Kurita) table:

Code: [Select]

424-486  UM-R60 Urbanmech
487-486 THE-S Thorn

Make's it a little tricky to roll the Thorn.  ;)

True. :)  It's a phantom entry: the -S is only for A* tables at that time.  Just delete the mention.

Just wanted to point out.

Went through the RAT table to organize my mechs into chassis rather than individual makes, and I found no mention of the following mechs:

Hoplite - Only 2750, though the MUL shows the 4D as introduced in 3050, so they should have still been kicking around prior to that.

Annihilator - No mention at all except in the quirks. My own research via Sarna shows it was used by at least the Lyran Commonwealth.

Vehicles - No breakdown after 3039, and no mention at all of VTOLs or Aerospace.

I love this work, especially because the MUL says for anything from Clan invasion or Earlier to use the RAT from TW or other product, which is kinda sad when soo many of those are OOP :(

Hoplite: Dragoons only.

Annihilator: Dragoons only.

Vehicles: nothing has been done on them yet, because I have to redo them entirely before advancing to new periods.  Sorry.  VTOLs appear on the vehicle tables, but I'm not doing aerospace at all, as there's not really a lot to work with (i.e. the tables would be boring).

Thanks for your interest.