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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 29 Dec v8.07
« Reply #150 on: 06 April 2012, 02:30:25 »
I was working on this today actually.  I had to double back and update 3028 and 3039 first, because I received new information (behind-the-scenes MUL stuff that I can't share) which resulted in new details that need to be integrated.  The vehicle tables in particular will greatly benefit (though I think I'll hold them off until later, because I really want to get 3050 mechs out the door).  I am free (temporarily I'm sure) of pressing Catalyst stuff, so the time is there.

So, short answer: yes, being worked on now, no ETA.  Thanks for your interest.
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« Reply #151 on: 06 April 2012, 13:51:04 »
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #152 on: 07 April 2012, 00:49:34 »
Here’s v8.1 -

New updates for Clan stuff (thanks to Kobold for prompting all of this):

-   ALL Medium tables: slightly upped Hunchback IIC numbers to meet that 3% figure quoted in TR3058U
-   added missing Fenris C to Diamond Shark tables
-   upped Jade Falcon Executioner numbers based on further research and consultation with MUL team Clan experts
-   added missing Cauldron Born and Kingfishers to the Smoke Jaguar tables

And other stuff:

-   added Atlas -RS to the Davion tables
-   heavy increases to Kurita Lancelot numbers to meet the stated 200 figure (FRR wasn't increased - that will be next update)
-   dropped Battlemaster -1S numbers for 3028 (it debuted in 3025, so the previous amount was too many)
-   tweaked Inner Sphere Mech numbers based on MUL production data (sorry, not for public release)
-   a few typo corrections, some to the Faction Lists
-   the usual minor Quirks adjustments

What was most affected here were Unseen numbers.  For the most part they went down overall, but it's really more of a House-by-House adjustment to take into account native production, which I now understand far better.  For example, you'll notice fewer base-model Archers (though they're still common), and more House variants (Crusader -Ls, House Wasps, etc).


Here's the plan of attack for now:

 - Finish 3050 A-level tables
 - Then go back and completely redo the vehicle tables, because I've received enough new info that they need a complete rework now.  This may take longer, because I tend to do a lot of back-end work for each unit type and era now that is sort of time consuming.  It does save me a lot of time for future updates, and helps weed out manual data entry errors however.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #153 on: 07 April 2012, 01:14:02 »
Yaaaaay!  Many thanks sir - I look forward to seeing more house-mods instead of the bone-stock rides. :D
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #154 on: 07 April 2012, 04:29:26 »
Cool. Thanks for the update!  O0

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #155 on: 07 April 2012, 04:52:19 »
Darneþ, and I just downloaded 8.07 last night. >_>
Also, didn't the Draconis Combine supposedly sell Dragons and Marauders to the FWL due to the Concord of Kapteyn?
If so, shouldn't there be at least some Dragons in the FLW rat for 3028?
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #156 on: 07 April 2012, 11:57:03 »
We went over that in one of the three previous (now-lost) threads.  Basically while it was announced as a plan, there's no evidence it ever actually occurred.  I assume the 4th Succession War scuttled any chance to implement it.

EDIT: aargh, I missed that the Hunchback -SP went from a one-off in 3025 to "most-popular" in 3039.  It will be in the next update for 3028-3050.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #157 on: 07 April 2012, 13:52:55 »
Happen to have an excel version or something slightly easier to manipulate?

Not as much like BigDuke66's versions as just a plain old text/excel/etc file that isn't a PDF which never seems to copy tables very well.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #158 on: 08 April 2012, 13:28:39 »
There will be a quick 8.2 to bring St. Ives and FRR in line with the changes I made to Liao and Kurita, and to correct a couple of oversights.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #159 on: 08 April 2012, 14:38:27 »
Trying to bring up the pdf, not working today... :(

NM, got it on 4th try.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #160 on: 08 April 2012, 14:52:44 »
In regards to the re-work for vehicles, a request: please incorporate the Tokugawa heavy tank into DCMS tables?  It was listed in the original HK sourcebook as a tank they produced, though we didn't see stats for it until TRO 3058! 
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #161 on: 08 April 2012, 19:48:48 »
The Tokugawa was the very first thing I noticed and the one that first prompted a relook at vehicles, so it will definitely be in there.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #162 on: 08 April 2012, 20:17:08 »
I know I'm opening a ball of wax here, but ... when you start moving post 3050, any chance of Battle Armour RATs?

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 29 Dec v8.07
« Reply #163 on: 08 April 2012, 20:22:13 »
I was working on this today actually.  I had to double back and update 3028 and 3039 first, because I received new information (behind-the-scenes MUL stuff that I can't share)
Wouldn't that data effecting the tables break the NDA?
And the MUL team has actual production data? That's new

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 6 Apr v8.1
« Reply #164 on: 08 April 2012, 21:06:19 »
I know I'm opening a ball of wax here, but ... when you start moving post 3050, any chance of Battle Armour RATs?

3057 at the earliest, I would think (which is the set that comes after 3050), but yeah, I'd likely do them up - they wouldn't be that hard.

Wouldn't that data effecting the tables break the NDA?
And the MUL team has actual production data? That's new

Just like Oystein has a master list of planets and of unit movements for certain eras, there has to be a list of factories so that people know who builds what, where, and when, and so that people know where to place designs without creating continuity breaches.  The MUL was built out of earlier compiled sublists, for example.  The "data" I'm sharing doesn't reveal any of that really, since it's made up numbers.  For instance, we always knew the Capellans built Crusader -Ls: I just now know where and roughly when and chose to adjust some of my made up numbers up or down based on that.  It is NOT hard production data (no numbers whatsoever), so I'm just inferring.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #165 on: 10 April 2012, 01:41:40 »
Here's that quickie update: 8.2

Added a very small number of VND-1Xs
Added Hunchback -SP to 3039
Added both Succession War Tokugawa tanks to Kurita and FRR (might as well get them while I was at it)
Updated FRR and St. Ives to match the appropriate changes to their parent lists from 8.1 and 8.2
Added one Quirk (find it and win!)

The Hunchback -SP is listed as a one-off in TR 3025, and yet one of the most popular variants in TR 3039.  I've attempted to straddle both sources by only adding the -SP to the 3039 House tables, which could be a bit silly, but works with both references.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #166 on: 10 April 2012, 05:07:24 »
I found the quirk, but don't recognize the mech.  Regardless, thanks for the update!

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #167 on: 10 April 2012, 17:13:42 »
Found a wayback machine link to previous threads, on the old forums.  It only goes to January 2010, but it's better than nothing.  I'll put a link in the first post.

Last thread:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100108041445/http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=53761.0

Thread before that:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090120044259/http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=34933.0
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #168 on: 11 April 2012, 00:18:08 »
The Hunchback -SP is listed as a one-off in TR 3025, and yet one of the most popular variants in TR 3039.  I've attempted to straddle both sources by only adding the -SP to the 3039 House tables, which could be a bit silly, but works with both references.

And yet it is the only intro-tech swayback that is extinct by 3067, according to the MUL.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #169 on: 06 July 2012, 06:05:15 »
One thing from the thread for Worktroll's Army Reports thread the EXT-4A Exterminator appears in the Davion and Liao tables but was only build on Thermopolis in the Free Worlds League.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #170 on: 06 July 2012, 08:02:18 »
One thing from the thread for Worktroll's Army Reports thread the EXT-4A Exterminator appears in the Davion and Liao tables but was only build on Thermopolis in the Free Worlds League.

apparently Xotl already fixed that, because in the most recent version at least it's only listed for FWL.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #171 on: 06 July 2012, 10:19:25 »
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #172 on: 06 July 2012, 11:52:15 »
apparently Xotl already fixed that, because in the most recent version at least it's only listed for FWL.

Didn't Tech Readout: 3025 Revised put EXT-4A production on Nanking? It was earlier than 3050U and Handbook: House Marik. Was it wrong or just retconned?

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #173 on: 06 July 2012, 12:17:40 »
Didn't Tech Readout: 3025 Revised put EXT-4A production on Nanking?

No, it did not. TRO:3025Rev only said it was produced in 3007.

Brush Wars listed EXT-4A in RAT for Federated Suns.

Then TRO:3050U specified the production site as Kallon factory on Thermopolis.

Handbook: House Marik listed Exterminator as being produced on Thermopolis in 3067, but I guess that's just typo. (or they really produce(d) that 'Mech? And which model, then?)

I don't know where the idea that Exterminator was produced on Nanking comes from. (yes, I know it's on Sarna)

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #174 on: 06 July 2012, 12:20:49 »
No, it did not. TRO:3025Rev only said it was produced in 3007.

Brush Wars listed EXT-4A in RAT for Federated Suns.

Then TRO:3050U specified the production site as Kallon factory on Thermopolis.

Handbook: House Marik listed Exterminator as being produced on Thermopolis in 3067, but I guess that's just typo. (or they really produce(d) that 'Mech? And which model, then?)

I don't know where the idea that Exterminator was produced on Nanking comes from. (yes, I know it's on Sarna)

Thanks. I'll do some more of my own research on that, then. Maybe the Nanking reference was related to the new variant supposedly being produced by Kallon for ComStar?

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #175 on: 06 July 2012, 12:43:40 »
Thanks. I'll do some more of my own research on that, then. Maybe the Nanking reference was related to the new variant supposedly being produced by Kallon for ComStar?

I don't think so. ComStar-owned EXT-4D Exterminators were all stockpiled 'Mechs left in the Inner Sphere after Kerensky departed with SLDF.

Even pre-Jihad models EXT-5E/F are explicitly described as refits of those old 'Mechs.

Kallon simply didn't produce Exterminators for ComStar, only simplified EXT-4As for FWLM.

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #176 on: 06 July 2012, 13:49:35 »
Not really sure why worktroll's tables would have the -4A in non-FWL service, because I made them and certainly didn't put the -4A in any of them, including the FWL one.  We've "known" since TR3050U and TR3039 came out that only 25 were made by Kallon on Thermopolis - not enough to feature on a table even in 3007 when they were all still around - and that it was extinct by the end of the Fourth War.  I guess he made some post-submission edits, or there was a simple mistake made by one of us somewhere.

One of the things on my to-do list is a new set of tables for him anyways, mostly because I've learned a lot about vehicle deployment since then, but I can make a few other corrections to the mechs as well.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #177 on: 06 July 2012, 13:54:56 »
Not really sure why worktroll's tables would have the -4A in non-FWL service, because I made them and certainly didn't put the -4A in any of them, including the FWL one. 

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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #178 on: 06 July 2012, 14:03:34 »
I was referring to the ones I made for him - I know they're on mine, but mine are also D1000, so I have room for that sort of granularity.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 9 Apr v8.2
« Reply #179 on: 06 July 2012, 14:12:50 »
I don't think so. ComStar-owned EXT-4D Exterminators were all stockpiled 'Mechs left in the Inner Sphere after Kerensky departed with SLDF.

Even pre-Jihad models EXT-5E/F are explicitly described as refits of those old 'Mechs.

Kallon simply didn't produce Exterminators for ComStar, only simplified EXT-4As for FWLM.

What about the EXT-6CS from XTRO: ComStar? Was that one built from the ground up or just a refit?