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« Reply #510 on: 29 December 2016, 05:54:48 »
They better use a good tug dropship, as the Warship could have quite a bit of spin.
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« Reply #511 on: 27 January 2018, 07:17:40 »
I believe there is one more factor that is being missed.
While it is correct that speed is limited only by the universal speed limit of 300,000 kilometers per second (186,000 miles per second).
One has to take into account the acceleration limit placed on a ship by its living crew.
This can make the burn either to high for human tolerance or to slow to achieve the goal within a reasonable time.

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« Reply #512 on: 29 January 2018, 00:52:03 »
A constant 1g burn won't bother the crew at all. Which is all you would need on a salvage op. A combat op OTOH would require between 1-6g bursts of acceleration which WOULD have an impact on the crew, even being strapped in. If your DS keeps making random turns at 4g the end result won't be pretty, especially the next morning.

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« Reply #513 on: 12 May 2018, 10:58:15 »
2 things one any body got an up to date list and two the value of the jump core alone would make. Any warship worth salvage.

Slowing down or changing the course of a wreck is also easy just time consuming. You don't need a lot of thrust just time of you are worried about the structure collapsing. Besides a micro gravity environment is definitely better the more damaged the wreck is.

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« Reply #514 on: 21 December 2018, 18:10:27 »
A little thread Necro but did we ever get a updated list going? Not sure if I wanna go through eighteen pages looking.
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« Reply #515 on: 22 December 2018, 00:29:31 »
I been using my own list, since Warship development is sadly dead.  Only Fandom is keeping it around.
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« Reply #516 on: 22 December 2018, 15:54:41 »
A shame, the old list just stops mid-Jihad.
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Re: Canon Warship List
« Reply #517 on: 22 December 2018, 18:44:04 »
Given number warships left on the Inner Sphere side can be counted on two hands a list be mighty short. Clans have some.

The Field Reports 2765 and the Succession Wars source books.
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« Reply #518 on: 22 December 2018, 19:01:13 »

I went through WOR with a haircomb, and frankly so much Naval combat was abstracted (no names of classes mentioned) that I couldn't make enough solid conclusions.
But we can at least assume that the Clan naval caches are empty.....
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« Reply #519 on: 23 December 2018, 06:51:24 »
I went through WOR with a haircomb, and frankly so much Naval combat was abstracted (no names of classes mentioned) that I couldn't make enough solid conclusions.
But we can at least assume that the Clan naval caches are empty.....

At least at the end of the WoR sourcebook we got a summary of the surviving ships per clan. But yes, there are many activated and directly destroyed warships were we can just guess the shipclass. And many more were we got no hint of numbers or whatever ...

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« Reply #520 on: 23 December 2018, 11:45:35 »
At least at the end of the WoR sourcebook we got a summary of the surviving ships per clan. But yes, there are many activated and directly destroyed warships were we can just guess the shipclass. And many more were we got no hint of numbers or whatever ...

Can you give examples?  Because of the Field Manuals, the Clan Fleets are fairly nailed down class-wise. WoR gives a name, we should be able to get the class easily.
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« Reply #521 on: 23 December 2018, 15:48:50 »
In the chapter Founders Future starting at page 152 you get descriptions for all clans including their warship assets in the year 3087. For each clan you get a hint what happened to their fleets. Beside facts on each single warship you also get a good understanding of the state of clan yards and maintenance capabilities.
I don't give full copy here, just as a hint the cobras managed to activate 2 Soyuz lately - so it seems the caches are still not empty. And they tried to activate the Samarkand Block II Beijing, but failed.

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« Reply #522 on: 28 December 2018, 04:49:25 »
Always glad this list gets updated.
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« Reply #523 on: 31 December 2018, 15:43:05 »
The caches are never until the writers need them to be. And we still have several Mckenna's with unknown locations! Heck, we dont even know the names of all the Dreadnoughts yet!
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Re: Canon Warship List
« Reply #524 on: 06 May 2019, 17:23:27 »
Does anyone have a good list of the warship fleets of the Houses, with a breakdown of classes, circa the start of the 1SW?  I have some ideas based on the FM 2765s (those are great for their pre-build up fleets, and quite detailed) and what is in the First Succession War book, as well as what was said in earlier pages of this thread.  However, there are large gaps still that I have to fill in.

Just curious if anyone has already done all the work, or if I have to do it myself...
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Re: Canon Warship List
« Reply #525 on: 07 May 2019, 07:13:38 »
Does anyone have a good list of the warship fleets of the Houses, with a breakdown of classes, circa the start of the 1SW?  I have some ideas based on the FM 2765s (those are great for their pre-build up fleets, and quite detailed) and what is in the First Succession War book, as well as what was said in earlier pages of this thread.  However, there are large gaps still that I have to fill in.

Just curious if anyone has already done all the work, or if I have to do it myself...
I could try put one together, all my stuff is old spread sheets.  Combat Equipment had a reasonable generic list of Equipment per faction at the start Succession War Era, but it did not include the lost ships introduced in FR 2765 and Liberation of Terra.
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Re: Canon Warship List
« Reply #526 on: 17 June 2019, 20:11:32 »
Hi Epic,

I have attempted to come up with a realistic list of ship classes to make up the 150ish ship increase for each house from 2765 to 2786.
Ive looked through the various TROs and sourcebooks and come up with some notes (various spreadsheets & documents) - still a work in progress.
The numbers of these classes could be anyones guess really, but anything larger than a Destroyer would be rare (perhaps with the exception of the Lyrans).

My thoughts/notes for the fleet expansion are as follows:

1/ Each house would likely have a sizable mothball fleet composed mostly of ex Terran Hegemony or Star League discards.
2/ Each House did pre war production  - probably a few specific classes
3/ Civil War salvage or heavily damaged ships sold pre exodus
4/ Purchased Production from Terran Hegemony yards - surely they didn’t sit idle after Terra was retaken, or after the exodus.

Ex old Terran Hegemony Classes that were active 2765 or in mothballs are:
Aegis-2372 (Cruiser) : 30 were sold/given to houses before they were upgraded - each house seems to have kept these - probably 6 each - most of these seemed to be extant in 2765 (if not active I'd suggest in mothballs)
Baron (Destroyer): Half the 2582 SLDF numbers of these were sold to houses; when decomissioned in SLDF fleet in 2720 these were sold.
Black Lion I (Battle Cruiser): a few survived to the start of the 1SW (Capellans have 1 listed)
Bonaventure (Corvette): I believe some DC examples were destroyed at Hesperus by Invincible in 2SW
Carson (Destroyer): Withdrawn by SLDF in 2722; but these were likely sold off (they do appear in 2765 lists)
Cruiser (Cruiser): Mothballed 2405 but several sold to houses - DC has some in 2765
Essex I (Destroyer): Decommissioned 2645 and sold to houses.
Lola I (Destroyer): Seems to be have sold to houses; Capellans have some in 2765
Vigilant (Corvette): Replaced in TH in 2400 (mothballed or sold to houses) - despite age they definitely served in 1 & 2 SW

Each house probably had a few of their unique designs in mothballs:
For example Capellans maybe some Du Shi Wang (less than 12 left at start of 1SW); Federated Suns is mentioned as having some Davion I's in mothballs there could perhaps be maybe 1 Defender were in mothballs in 2765

Possible House Production:
Capellan Confederation Production was Essex I and Vincent Mk 39, and probably Carrack
Draconis Combine production was Narukami II, and probably Samarkand II and Carrack, and possibly Vincent Mk 39
Federated Suns production was probably Davion II, Robinson II, Carrack and maybe some Vincent Mk 39
Free Worlds League Production was League II and probably Carrack (Carrier and Transport) and maybe Vincent Mk 39
Lyran Commonwealth production was Tharkad, Commonwealth II and Mako, and probably the Carrack

My thoughts on the universality of the Vincent's and Carrack's is that they seem to be commonly mentioned in the 1SW book, however given that the Capellans borrowing the Vincent design specs was regarded as being naughty maybe these Vincents were just Terran Hegemony yards purchases.

With Terran yard production or civil war salvage you could probably grab almost any class of ship - but most likely only the smaller classes would be in any numbers (Essex or Vincent); anything larger than a Destroyer would be very rare.

A Sovetskii Soyuz is mentioned in the Draconis Fleet in the 1SW book; The Capellans had a Congress in 1SW book too, plus there is the Potemkin used by the Lyrans in their attack on Luthien.
Plus the Soyal class; produced by Delhi Shipyards (Carver?) was purchased by the FWL and CC (mentioned in 1SW book for both)

I hope this is useful.

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Re: Canon Warship List
« Reply #527 on: 18 June 2019, 08:18:03 »
Bear in mind that this thread is for the canon fleets only. If you want to post educated guesses and such, that's what the Non-Canon Units subforum is for.
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« Reply #528 on: 18 June 2019, 19:33:28 »
Bear in mind that this thread is for the canon fleets only. If you want to post educated guesses and such, that's what the Non-Canon Units subforum is for.

Sorry to clarify all of those ship classes I mentioned above are from canon sources (those are not guesses) and were used by the inner sphere houses either in 2765 or the 1/2SWs. Which was the response to Epic’s question, I just got a bit carried away with my thoughts about the how/why/where of the fleet expansions.

My only guess work is where extra examples of listed classes from the FR:2765s may have been obtained or where non listed classes that appeared SW books could have been obtained.
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Re: Canon Warship List
« Reply #529 on: 27 June 2019, 09:24:10 »
Field Report 2765:

Capellan Navy:
Du Shi Wang BB x5
Black Lion I BCx1
Soyal CA x10
Aegis CA x6
Baron DD x3
Carson DD x2
Lola I DD x2
Essex I DD x2
Vincent Mk 39 CR x3
Vigilant CR x3

Draconis Combine Admiralty:
Smarkand I CVE x2
Smarkand II CVE x6
Narukami I DD x6
Aegis CA x6
Baron DD x3
(lots more in mothballs along with Cruiser class CA's)

Federated Suns Navy:
Defender BC x2
New Syrtis CV x4
Aegis CA x6
Congress-D FF x6
Davion II DD x15
Baron DD x3
Robinson II CT x10
Vincent Mk39 CR x5

Free Worlds League Navy:
Atreus BS x 20
Soyal CA x7
Aegis CA x6
League II DD x10
Baron DD x3
Vincent Mk39 x1

(more ships but numbers and class not known at this time)

Lyran Commonwealth Navy:
Tharkad BC x11
Aegis CA x3
Commonwealth II CL x7 (2 from FR 2765 4 from 1SW B)
Lola I DD x4
Essex I DD x4
Baron DD x1
Vincent Mk 39 CR x5
Vigilant CR x4
Mako CR x27 (Plus another 58 - 78 possible new build)
(Listed that nee Tharkad, Commonwelath and Mako class ships are under construction)

Magistracy of Canopus Navy:
Athena CA x1
Concordant FF x1
Pinto CR x20

Outworlds Alliance Navy:
Pinto CR x15

Taurian Concordant Navy:
Dart CL x1
Wagon Wheel FF x1
Concordant FF x6
Lola II DD x4
Vincent Mk39 CR x1
Pinto CR x18

Rim Worlds Navy:
Stefen Amaris BB x3 (2 more under construction)
Monsoon BB x7
Dart CL x7
Riga I FF x65
Carson DD x18
Essex I DD x40
Lola I DD x21
Bonadventure CR x32
Vigilant CR x30
Mako CR x5
Pinto CR x52
Tracker SV x1

The House navies I will flush out with the Succession Wars books as soon as I read them over again.
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Re: Canon Warship List
« Reply #530 on: 27 June 2019, 09:58:36 »
Be careful about the Tharkad Class Battlecruisers, production continued yearly if you read the fluff for the ship verses what the 2765 says. I don't have my books handy at the moment, but there info in the Field Manual : SLDF about the House navy strengths.  They will increase, including number of Tharkads.

Also, the Mako-Class Corvettes where also sold to Rim World Republic's navy, like 50 of them if memory servers right, along with 50 to the SLDF.  It's in the fluff for the Mako in TRO:3057 Revised.
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« Reply #531 on: 27 June 2019, 15:38:06 »
ok I just read up the list.  it says over 100 constructed.  I do know some were sold to the SLDF as couriers but not many.  said a handful.  I'll say no more than 10 sense its specific with the RWR numbers at 5.  I will update my numbers. thanks for the tip.

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« Reply #532 on: 27 June 2019, 15:59:59 »
What is confusing is that the last Mako was lost over "Caledonia", but the Second Succession War book says it was New Caledonia.  Unfortunately, the Mako that was lost is never mentioned or even a warship was lost!
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« Reply #533 on: 27 June 2019, 16:47:17 »
Yeah you see a lot of inconsistencies throughout the cannon data.

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« Reply #534 on: 27 June 2019, 18:25:05 »
Much of it is thirty years old. More importantly, the writers are not actually gods pulling this from a fully functional parallel universe. Those who do not temper their expectations accordingly help nobody except blood pressure drug manufacturers.
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« Reply #535 on: 29 June 2019, 09:58:48 »
Canon Warships missing numbers are like TPTB having Alzheimer...

Meaning while a cure is near, it's just outta reach.

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« Reply #536 on: 01 July 2019, 22:30:43 »
More importantly, the writers are not actually gods pulling this from a fully functional parallel universe.

Speak for yourself. That said we might not all use the same parallel universe.

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Speak for yourself. That said we might not all use the same parallel universe.

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« Reply #538 on: 02 July 2019, 08:52:31 »
I use a perpendicular universe.

Personally, I prefer an elliptical universe. Not everyone likes it, but they all come around in the end.

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« Reply #539 on: 18 February 2020, 04:46:00 »
Field Report 2765:


Draconis Combine Admiralty:
Smarkand I CVE x2
Smarkand II CVE x6
Narukami I DD x6
Aegis CA x6
Baron DD x3
(lots more in mothballs along with Cruiser class CA's)


The House navies I will flush out with the Succession Wars books as soon as I read them over again.

There was a errata post on the ships in the Draconis Combine Field Report 2765

"Many of these vessels are older Terran Hegemony designs, and includes five older Aegis-class and two Cruiser-class heavy cruisers, five Baron-class, five Essex I-class and five Lola I-class destroyers, and four Vincent Mk39-class corvettes."

So the correct list should read

Draconis Combine Admiralty:
Smarkand I  x 2
Smarkand II  x 6
Narukami I  x 6
Aegis  x 5
Baron x 5
Cruiser x 2
Essex I x 5
Lola I x 5
Vincent Mk39-class  x 4