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Mechs available in 3150
« on: 18 January 2018, 14:45:40 »
Still stuck in the 3050's - 3080's but it appears that the Gargoyle is still in use in 3145 ish.

Is it being produced in this time period or is this a situation where there were so many mechs available that enough parts can be manufactured/found to keep the design operational. 

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Re: Mechs available in 3150
« Reply #1 on: 18 January 2018, 15:14:58 »
I don't have the book handy from the office, but the War of Reaving Supplemental had a list of Clan designs that are no longer in production- if no one else gets around to checking that list for you here, that's probably the best place to look.
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Re: Mechs available in 3150
« Reply #2 on: 18 January 2018, 15:48:29 »
War of Reaving Supplemental does not list the Gargoyle amongst the designs the Home Clans no longer use. For what it's worth, the Wolves and Hell's Horses were very fond of the Gargoyle. I imagine the Hell's Horses like it a lot due to the fact that it rarely uses torso mounted weapons and makes a good heavy Elemental Transport.

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Re: Mechs available in 3150
« Reply #3 on: 18 January 2018, 16:44:47 »
If it ain't produced anymore, there are likely so many of them left they're far from extinct for now. This might be the likeliest scenario: Objectives The Clans does not list Gargoyle anywhere (at least i can't find it there). Sarna lists Gargoyle production sites as Tokasha, and "Wolf Clan Site OZ-1" but i've no idea what place that is and the link's red. But if it is in Wolf territory, it probably survived since Tamar aside, the Wolf industrial facilities seem to be in pretty good condition. Unless it was on Tamar...

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Re: Mechs available in 3150
« Reply #4 on: 18 January 2018, 16:54:06 »
If it ain't produced anymore, there are likely so many of them left they're far from extinct for now. This might be the likeliest scenario: Objectives The Clans does not list Gargoyle anywhere (at least i can't find it there). Sarna lists Gargoyle production sites as Tokasha, and "Wolf Clan Site OZ-1" but i've no idea what place that is and the link's red. But if it is in Wolf territory, it probably survived since Tamar aside, the Wolf industrial facilities seem to be in pretty good condition. Unless it was on Tamar...
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Re: Mechs available in 3150
« Reply #5 on: 18 January 2018, 17:20:34 »
Well, that's a good point as well- so many were built that it's likely to survive for a long time in service even after production ends. We saw a Jade Falcon driving a Night Gyr in one of the Dark Age novels, decades after that design was (apparently) out of production, after all, and it's hard to believe it's the only one left in the Clan.
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« Reply #6 on: 18 January 2018, 17:32:15 »
The Clans are pretty meticulous about using things until they're nothing more but scrap, so they'll be using any Gargoyles they've still got for a while yet, me thinks.

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« Reply #7 on: 18 January 2018, 22:24:03 »
The Clans are pretty meticulous about using things until they're nothing more but scrap, so they'll be using any Gargoyles they've still got for a while yet, me thinks.
Not to mention the fact that the Gargoyle is one of the easiest Clan Assault Omnis to repair, as all you really need to do is swap out the arms to restore 95% of it's firepower.

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« Reply #8 on: 19 January 2018, 06:43:13 »
There's a big difference between "out of production" and "extinct". In the Man O' War's case, it's still a common enough 'Mech, even if it's no longer being produced. Hell, it even got a new variant in the 3120s.

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« Reply #9 on: 19 January 2018, 08:19:49 »
I thought MUL not perfect though.  There always a detail missing since it's done on volunteer basis just like Sarna isn't it?
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« Reply #10 on: 19 January 2018, 12:19:28 »
I thought MUL not perfect though.  There always a detail missing since it's done on volunteer basis just like Sarna isn't it?

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« Reply #11 on: 19 January 2018, 12:37:34 »
I thought MUL not perfect though.  There always a detail missing since it's done on volunteer basis just like Sarna isn't it?

Nothing is perfect.  If you want to question something on the MUL, there's a thread for that.
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Re: Mechs available in 3150
« Reply #12 on: 19 January 2018, 13:18:30 »
I'm not knocking down MUL, it's needed tool.  It's just slow progress.
Sarna.net cite's only canon sources.  There older articles it was not done, they've been noted and many corrected.

I just hope this year we will see finally 3150's Record Sheet books. 
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Re: Mechs available in 3150
« Reply #13 on: 20 January 2018, 19:07:33 »
I was leaning towards the no longer in production option.  Still don't understand the replacing the Timber Wolf cheap fiction but oh well

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Re: Mechs available in 3150
« Reply #14 on: 20 January 2018, 20:29:51 »
Aren't any new production Mad Cats in 3145 handmade?

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« Reply #15 on: 20 January 2018, 22:51:29 »
Aren't any new production Mad Cats in 3145 handmade?

Yep. The only source of new Mad Cats since the Jihad has been a workshop on Weingarten that builds them by hand from hand-tooled parts. It was described as the Inner Sphere's "least productive assembly line." It's current status is uncelar, as it might have been disasembled/moved/abandoned with the Wolf migration.

The Wolves never migrated Mad Cat production from the homeworlds, and simply assumed that their supply lines would remain functional forever. That worked out fantastically for them. This left them with no capacity to build the 'Mech at all; no tooling, no blueprints, no machinery, not even a source of spare parts.
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« Reply #16 on: 21 January 2018, 00:58:34 »
To be blunt, the  Ghost Bears got psychic premonitions about every factory the Wolves tried to build in the Inner Sphere and appeared just as the Wolves got them done. That made the extra long supply lines feasible and development of the Inner Sphere OZ undesirable.

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« Reply #17 on: 21 January 2018, 17:15:02 »
To be blunt, the  Ghost Bears got psychic premonitions about every factory the Wolves tried to build in the Inner Sphere and appeared just as the Wolves got them done. That made the extra long supply lines feasible and development of the Inner Sphere OZ undesirable.

Actually, you've got this backwards.  It turns out that Clan Ghost Bear are the "Chief White Halfoat" of the Battletech Universe.  Battlemech Factories appear in response to where they want to go to.  They actually didn't WANT Tokasha Mechworks back in the day, it just happened to appear at a time that coincided with them showing up.
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« Reply #18 on: 21 January 2018, 18:11:48 »
When did the Ghost Bears take a 'Mech Factory from the Wolf OZ? I don't ever recall that happening.
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« Reply #19 on: 21 January 2018, 19:22:23 »
Satalice when the Wolves started building Locust IICs there.

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« Reply #20 on: 22 January 2018, 01:02:19 »
Satalice when the Wolves started building Locust IICs there.

That's one time on a world that was already on the border after the Wolves had already provoked the Bears. Hardly a pattern.

And even then, that was in the mid-3060s. By then, the Falcons and Bears had set up far more manufacturing in the Inner Sphere, both in terms of new lines and ones transplanted from the homeworlds.
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« Reply #21 on: 12 February 2018, 19:38:37 »
The Warden Wolves were building the Timberwolf on Arc Royal . . . doubt the Gargoyle, but after the Jihad . . . who knows, TPTB were pretty clear about wiping them out and then TRO3150 came out.
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« Reply #22 on: 13 February 2018, 01:50:51 »
The Warden Wolves were building the Timberwolf on Arc Royal . . . doubt the Gargoyle, but after the Jihad . . . who knows, TPTB were pretty clear about wiping them out and then TRO3150 came out.

The Wardens were building the Mad Cat on Arc-Royal before the Jihad. That line was destroyed in the Jihad and never rebuilt.
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« Reply #23 on: 13 February 2018, 02:57:18 »
Yep. The only source of new Mad Cats since the Jihad has been a workshop on Weingarten that builds them by hand from hand-tooled parts. It was described as the Inner Sphere's "least productive assembly line." It's current status is uncelar, as it might have been disasembled/moved/abandoned with the Wolf migration.

The Wolves never migrated Mad Cat production from the homeworlds, and simply assumed that their supply lines would remain functional forever. That worked out fantastically for them. This left them with no capacity to build the 'Mech at all; no tooling, no blueprints, no machinery, not even a source of spare parts.
i get the feeling that workshop's main output was not full mechs, but rather any unique spare parts existing Timber Wolves required to stay operational. (since most should be shared with other clan designs that are still in production)

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« Reply #24 on: 18 February 2018, 19:12:04 »
and, from the other end, I once did the math, and based on BT's own repair rules, starting with the empty air where you want a timber wolf to be, and repairing the empty mech bay until there is a Timber Wolf standing there, this hand-assembly line has a possible output range of anywhere between 4 and 50 mechs per year.
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« Reply #25 on: 18 February 2018, 20:26:20 »
and, from the other end, I once did the math, and based on BT's own repair rules, starting with the empty air where you want a timber wolf to be, and repairing the empty mech bay until there is a Timber Wolf standing there, this hand-assembly line has a possible output range of anywhere between 4 and 50 mechs per year.
that's actually better than some of the full Factories.

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« Reply #26 on: 18 February 2018, 20:33:35 »
Yeah, it's hard to get solid numbers on anything.

You look too closely at any of this, and it becomes quite obvious that none of it holds up, that none of it makes any sense, and it's not put together with the eye towards realism that it seems like it should have. This is just another aspect of that.
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