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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #180 on: 30 January 2013, 21:57:26 »
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #181 on: 30 January 2013, 22:08:32 »
I give daily praise to the Lords of Pantslessness that the only customer interaction I have is usually over the phone...
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #182 on: 30 January 2013, 23:27:51 »
Ah ticket system with managers who talk with clients.
I get the comforting, silent, and emotionless message in text form and I'm fine with this.
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #183 on: 30 January 2013, 23:55:15 »
I work in a factory, the only time I see a customer is when I go to the food store and walk through the soup aisle.
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #184 on: 31 January 2013, 08:02:53 »
Yet for some reason the Summoner is produced by the IS Clans yet the TW isn't
And the assumption that the Jade Falcons didnt make any changes to the Summoner is because...?
*Glancing at some DA era Summoners*

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #185 on: 31 January 2013, 08:50:10 »
And the assumption that the Jade Falcons didnt make any changes to the Summoner is because...?
*Glancing at some DA era Summoners*
Cause those people making the assumptions didn't read the MWDA unique pilot dossiers. MWDA had Summoners as far back as the 2nd set, Fire For Effect, and both of the unique Summoners in there use an XL engine, Ferro armor and an Endo chassis. (For those that don't know, the TRO3050 Summoner's have standard IS), so there's at least one change, not to mention the omni variants.
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #186 on: 31 January 2013, 09:29:05 »
I work in a factory, the only time I see a customer is when I go to the food store and walk through the soup aisle.

I have the title "Startegic Account Manager" all I do is deal with customers... and typically someone important (or who thinks they are important).  People typically have low understanding of what good or service you are providing in relation to your knowledge (cuz you work there).  It's best to try and educate them.  Several of them will listen, some will lack the intelligence to understand, some will lack the emotional restraint to listen.  On the whole I find most people are capable of stopping and being educated on the topic.

I truly feel for Herb in the Battlechats.  The guy is enthusiastic about Battletech.  I'm sure he'd love to let some of his evil plans slip and blow our minds or tease us into a frenzy.  The reality is we're entering uncharted territory and the cat remains in the bag (or the cats keep Herb in the bag) for the right reasons.


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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #187 on: 31 January 2013, 13:43:39 »
Marketing is a tricky thing, telling people the right at the right time to get the most positive feedback and the customer`s attention.

I think Herb (and other of TPTB) were surprised (maybe even shocked) about some reactions/feedback they got from some people. Even given the sparse info they told us.
We do not know what internal backlash was there and  if plans/schedules had to be changed / modified.
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #188 on: 31 January 2013, 13:52:58 »
Actually I think TPTB want a clean slate storline wise to play with. They inherited the current storyline and have doen a wondeful job of working with it with all its myriad problems. What scares me more than anything is changes to gameplay, I can live with storyline changes, just not the gameplay. I stopped playing some games because of that very issue.
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #189 on: 31 January 2013, 14:08:20 »
Maybe they think they were to open while interacting with the audience. Afraid of telling us too much, but because they did only tell us minor fragments what could be come they have started a rumor mill perpetuum mobile of such a dimension they never intended to do.
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #190 on: 31 January 2013, 14:55:32 »
Cause those people making the assumptions didn't read the MWDA unique pilot dossiers. MWDA had Summoners as far back as the 2nd set, Fire For Effect, and both of the unique Summoners in there use an XL engine, Ferro armor and an Endo chassis. (For those that don't know, the TRO3050 Summoner's have standard IS), so there's at least one change, not to mention the omni variants.
That's what I was getting at yes. I was just trying to be a bit more subtle about it. :D That said, the standard caveat applies. TPTB said a lot of those dossiers are going to end up customs and one offs, so I suppose those could all be Jade Falcon fooling around, but it's a consistant upgrade when we do get stats on it. Still, it shows at least an attempt to improve on the base chassis.

We see the same thing happen with the Mad Dog.

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #191 on: 31 January 2013, 15:17:04 »
That's what I was getting at yes. I was just trying to be a bit more subtle about it. :D That said, the standard caveat applies. TPTB said a lot of those dossiers are going to end up customs and one offs, so I suppose those could all be Jade Falcon fooling around, but it's a consistant upgrade when we do get stats on it. Still, it shows at least an attempt to improve on the base chassis.

We see the same thing happen with the Mad Dog.
Well the Mad Dog I think they might actually be using to get up to the 4th version for the Vulture Mk. IV unlike the Mad Cat Mk IV which had totally different variants.

The different Summoners could be one-offs (or in this case 4-offs since all 4 uniques with dossiers all add Endo).
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #192 on: 31 January 2013, 15:24:00 »
I think endo and ferro upgrades make sense. It seems like if the Falcons were going to pay for OmniMechs anyway, they'd just build Flamberges unless the Summoner chassis saw some improvements.

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #193 on: 31 January 2013, 16:10:21 »
The different Summoners could be one-offs (or in this case 4-offs since all 4 uniques with dossiers all add Endo).
Yeah, but did you notice it's the exact SAME endosteel type (Olivetti T4) ? Ditto the consistant use of Compound Beta FF instead of J63-3E. That says 'Consistant Refit' to me, rather then a series of one offs. Whether they're still Omnis though, or if this warrants a different class or way of distinguishing them...

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #194 on: 31 January 2013, 16:48:57 »
Cause those people making the assumptions didn't read the MWDA unique pilot dossiers. MWDA had Summoners as far back as the 2nd set, Fire For Effect, and both of the unique Summoners in there use an XL engine, Ferro armor and an Endo chassis. (For those that don't know, the TRO3050 Summoner's have standard IS), so there's at least one change, not to mention the omni variants.
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #195 on: 31 January 2013, 16:51:55 »
Yeah, but did you notice it's the exact SAME endosteel type (Olivetti T4) ? Ditto the consistant use of Compound Beta FF instead of J63-3E. That says 'Consistant Refit' to me, rather then a series of one offs. Whether they're still Omnis though, or if this warrants a different class or way of distinguishing them...
Yeah, I agree that it's essentially a new version, but it's up to Herb, et al to decide how they want to address it. The switch to endo saves 3.5 tons, 2 of which can be dumped into the armor to max it out. The extra tonnage can go to weapons, ammo, & equipment. Or keep the armor the same and you've got 3.5 tons of extra stuff.


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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #196 on: 31 January 2013, 17:15:28 »
A Mad Cat on a diet, with 5 fixed JJ.
Yes, it's a very bad design, less armor, less pod space and less flexibility and one less engine HS (meaning that you have to pod mount another one to bring up the count), really when you look at it the Summoner exists to fill out the original Clan 'Mech roster, not because it does something different. JJ's also seem to be an excuse not to make a good 'Mech

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #197 on: 31 January 2013, 17:28:33 »
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #198 on: 31 January 2013, 22:34:44 »
That's not a Summoner, that's a Mad Cat
The Jade Falcons didnt use the Mad Cat. They used the Summoner. Why would they produce the Mad Cat when they traditionally used the Summoner?

And you're kind of missing the point here. We've seen evidence that the Jade Falcons modified the Summoner in at least some cases, actively trying to improve upon it. So why are you assuming they kept the fixed Jump Jets?

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #199 on: 01 February 2013, 07:22:15 »
Actually I think TPTB want a clean slate storline wise to play with.

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #200 on: 01 February 2013, 12:45:16 »
Maybe they think they were to open while interacting with the audience. Afraid of telling us too much, but because they did only tell us minor fragments what could be come they have started a rumor mill perpetuum mobile of such a dimension they never intended to do.

I get the impression that they want to be open with fans and tell us stuff, but at the same time, they have enacted a lot of strict internal rules governing what they say. (Often for good reasons) The result seems to be that most questions get a vague response at best, or no answer, at worst. The fan base then runs wild speculating on whatever crumbs slip through.

I'm not sure how to fix that, given that there are different problems with increased openness, but I am not surprised that the fans are so quick to fill in the gaps in the absence of any real information.

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #201 on: 02 February 2013, 11:36:20 »
Oh I love the logic on the Timber Wolf. "Well, the newer models are new so... the older father gets retired!"

Despite the fact that the original Timber Wolf is man enough to take on any member of its family and wreck them.  ::)

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #202 on: 02 February 2013, 15:34:49 »
Oh I love the logic on the Timber Wolf. "Well, the newer models are new so... the older father gets retired!"

Despite the fact that the original Timber Wolf is man enough to take on any member of its family and wreck them.  ::)
You're talking about a group of people who routinely consider anyone older then 30 as over the hill and fit only to be tossed into suicide missions.
It makes perfect sense for them to abandon the old over the new.

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #203 on: 02 February 2013, 15:59:53 »
The Clans have never had a problem abandoning older mechs for newer ones, look at the Woodsman. Once the newer Omnimechs were debuted the Woodsman went into the scrapheap. So replacing a "Old" Timber Wolf with a "New" Timber Wolf IV or whatever number floats your boat isn't a problem for a Clan Mechwarrior. They also don't own there own mechs, so replacing a old mech with a new one doesn't even have a emotional attachment either.
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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #204 on: 02 February 2013, 16:00:35 »
Oh I love the logic on the Timber Wolf. "Well, the newer models are new so... the older father gets retired!"

Despite the fact that the original Timber Wolf is man enough to take on any member of its family and wreck them.  ::)

Considering there are now Mad Cats that can flank faster, put more firepower downrange, take more punishment (twice as much!), or jump higher, I'd say the Teambar Whorf is only man enough in your own heart.  And by heart I meant rose-colored nostalgia glasses.

The Clans have never had a problem abandoning older mechs for newer ones, look at the Woodsman. Once the newer Omnimechs were debuted the Woodsman went into the scrapheap. So replacing a "Old" Timber Wolf with a "New" Timber Wolf IV or whatever number floats your boat isn't a problem for a Clan Mechwarrior. They also don't own there own mechs, so replacing a old mech with a new one doesn't even have a emotional attachment either.

Didn't we have that one argument on these forums recently where some people were sad that the Woodsman was dropped because they believe it was better?

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Re: BattleChat - 26. I. 2013
« Reply #205 on: 02 February 2013, 16:05:09 »
Don't remember the argument and the Clans have never had a problem with dropping a good design because it was old. If they didn't there would be plenty of Star League era mechs still in use and a lot fewer Omnimechs running around.
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