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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.01
« Reply #360 on: 21 May 2014, 12:04:56 »
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OK here is an LibreOffice file, I hope you can open it.
I took the units from the 3025 deployments and added the number of battalions in front, I also added new units appearing after 3025 up to 3050.
I took the 3025 list as starting point because that is the only complete list, the lists in the sourcebooks 4th SW and Wo39 don't show the complete picture.
I listed the Mercenary just for completeness on the Davion and Steiner tables but not on Kurita(as there are no mercs), also not on Liao and Marik as they list the Mercs already separately so it's clear that they aren't added to the total amount of house battalions.
I hope you look through how I did it.

Now to sum it up again:
Davion has 78.33 in 3028 and 93.33 in 3050.

Steiner has 93.66 in 3050.

Kurita is new, I missed that one unit consisted only of 1 bat.(5th Sword of Light) so we have 98.33 and NOT 99.

Liao has 16.33 or 19 regiments in 3050 depending on how you count the Warrior Houses, also the 3028 number might be corrected down to 40.33 as I don't think the Death Commando counts as Mechbattalion but again maybe some Liao fan has more insight on this.

Marik has 55 in 3050.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.01
« Reply #361 on: 23 May 2014, 13:00:40 »
Came across another one on the 3050 Liao Medium Mechs table:

Code: [Select]
072-082 CDA-2A Cicada [40]
083-082 CLNT-2-3T Clint [40]
083-114 BJ-1 Blackjack [45]**

Should the Clint be there or just have a different range?
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.01
« Reply #362 on: 23 May 2014, 16:55:27 »
That Clint should not be there - it's now effectively extinct.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.01
« Reply #363 on: 23 May 2014, 20:35:33 »
Similar Situation on CC 3050 Light:
757 - 770 LCT-1E Locust
757 - 756 JVN-10N Javelin
though that should probably by 771 - 779 for the Javelin as the next entry starts at 780.

Also, on DC 3050 Light:
267-390 LCT-1V Locust [20]
395-402 LCT-3V Locust [20]
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.01
« Reply #364 on: 23 May 2014, 20:37:54 »
Has anyone begun to convert this into a MegaMek RAT?
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.01
« Reply #365 on: 23 May 2014, 21:07:00 »
Has anyone begun to convert this into a MegaMek RAT?
Previous versions are already MM RATs, I'm guessing their going to wait until Xtol's finished making corrections before they start making changes, or converting again

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #366 on: 24 May 2014, 02:05:44 »
Thanks for the continued checks guys.  The DC table is missing a -97 Mercury.

New version will be up in a few minutes with the corrections to date.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #367 on: 24 May 2014, 23:12:17 »
I've been working on updating the RATs for MM.  That's why I've been finding stuff.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #368 on: 25 May 2014, 03:37:17 »
Cool - I really appreciate spreading my stuff about.  Be aware that sometimes by fixing the one error it readjusts the numbers on the entire table.  For example, every number on the Marik heavies would have changed after I fixed the Orion -M issue.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #369 on: 25 May 2014, 07:08:44 »
Cool - I really appreciate spreading my stuff about.  Be aware that sometimes by fixing the one error it readjusts the numbers on the entire table.  For example, every number on the Marik heavies would have changed after I fixed the Orion -M issue.

 Fortunately, there haven't been too many fixes like that.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 7 May v9.01
« Reply #370 on: 26 May 2014, 16:00:34 »
If you go by the original House Book OOB's, several mech units have 4 battalions of mechs, changing the numbers slightly up.  A Couple of Avalon Hussar Units, the Assault Guards, a couple of Sword of Light regiments...when I was working on my Alt-U I did the same thing for unit counts.

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OK here is an LibreOffice file, I hope you can open it.
I took the units from the 3025 deployments and added the number of battalions in front, I also added new units appearing after 3025 up to 3050.
I took the 3025 list as starting point because that is the only complete list, the lists in the sourcebooks 4th SW and Wo39 don't show the complete picture.
I listed the Mercenary just for completeness on the Davion and Steiner tables but not on Kurita(as there are no mercs), also not on Liao and Marik as they list the Mercs already separately so it's clear that they aren't added to the total amount of house battalions.
I hope you look through how I did it.

Now to sum it up again:
Davion has 78.33 in 3028 and 93.33 in 3050.

Steiner has 93.66 in 3050.

Kurita is new, I missed that one unit consisted only of 1 bat.(5th Sword of Light) so we have 98.33 and NOT 99.

Liao has 16.33 or 19 regiments in 3050 depending on how you count the Warrior Houses, also the 3028 number might be corrected down to 40.33 as I don't think the Death Commando counts as Mechbattalion but again maybe some Liao fan has more insight on this.

Marik has 55 in 3050.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #371 on: 26 May 2014, 21:58:01 »
Yeah, I will review from scratch - there's some other behind-the-scenes info I'll be checking out when that's ready too.  But it probably won't get done before I take off again for the summer.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #372 on: 30 May 2014, 03:35:00 »
I notice that the 3050 distribution tables refer back to 3028 for Salvage.  This actually presents the opportunity to randomly roll units that are supposedly extinct by then.  I'm surprised that it doesn't use 3039 by then.

Also, does anyone have suggested weight distribution for the new IS states?  I assume that St Ives starts off as standard, since they are between two states that both used the generic ratios.  However, IIRC they have more heavier production available than lighter, so it might start to skew later.  FRR, on the other hand, probably quite different, with more lights and less mediums combined with more heavy and assault!

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #373 on: 02 June 2014, 16:54:15 »
I notice that the 3050 distribution tables refer back to 3028 for Salvage.  This actually presents the opportunity to randomly roll units that are supposedly extinct by then.  I'm surprised that it doesn't use 3039 by then.

I don't mind a small handful of otherwise extinct units turning up.  As for why 3028, because they've had 300 years to salvage those mechs, so I figure they predominate by far (and even the mechs salvaged post-3028 will be majority those machines).

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #374 on: 03 June 2014, 02:24:29 »
cool.

Another little question turned up while I was analysing the numbers.  What's the deal with the Hunchback 4SP?  It doesn't exist in  3028, is about as common as the rest of the Swaybacks in 3039 and then doesn't exist again in 3050.  I could understand this as an experiment by one House, but the distribution is pretty much even throughout the Inner Sphere, even going so far as FRR and SIC.

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #375 on: 03 June 2014, 06:27:34 »
I don't mind a small handful of otherwise extinct units turning up.  As for why 3028, because they've had 300 years to salvage those mechs, so I figure they predominate by far (and even the mechs salvaged post-3028 will be majority those machines).

Just a quick note: at the end of the week I'm off for the summer and won't be back full time until the very end of August.  I may or may not be able to check in during that time.

ThereĀ“s nothing keeping people from using a house rule - say any roll indicating salvage that ends in a 5 or 0 (i.e. 005, 010, 015 and so on) is rolled on the 3050 table instead of the 3028. Or any 4, 5 or 9 as the last digit indicates 3039 table, a 0 last digit indicates 3050 table.
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Re: 3025-3050 Faction Assignment & Rarity Tables - 20 May v8.02
« Reply #376 on: 05 June 2014, 14:39:34 »
Aero is highly unlikely - there's really not that many aerospace fighters when you break it down by weight, faction, and era.  As for other eras, yes, I'd like to do vehicle and mech tables for all ther eras eventually.  At the rate I'm going, I expect to reach 3085 by about 3075.

I really wish you would include the fighters at the very least. As a returning player this document is invaluable for new players looking to make era accurate lists for anything earlier than the JIHAD era. Go to the MUl and select CIVIL WAR or earlier and all you get is:


No faction data available for this era at this time.

For faction availability, use Random Assignment Tables (RAT) from Total Warfare or other relevant product.


Which is really not an answer as the TW does not break Aerospace into faction, even though a read through any of the TRO's shows some aero were used exclusively by this faction, and some were used by that faction.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #377 on: 07 June 2014, 09:26:53 »
There is no drop down list, or any formulas am i doing something wrong? :D
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #378 on: 08 June 2014, 18:33:58 »
There is no drop down list, or any formulas am i doing something wrong? :D
I have MS Office 2010
This is a static PDF file, what's word got to do with anything?

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #379 on: 09 June 2014, 11:19:59 »
I'm talking about the excel file in the first post.

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #380 on: 09 June 2014, 12:47:11 »
There is no drop down list, or any formulas am i doing something wrong? :D
I have MS Office 2010

No, it's just a list of tables.  You roll the dice yourself, then look at the excel file to see what you rolled.

EDIT: until you get to the last two couple tabs labeled Random Mech Generator and Random Mech Table.
EDITEDIT: and the xlsx file doesn't have working formulas.  I assume that's what meant by "limited functionality".
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #381 on: 21 August 2014, 19:18:31 »
Ah. My bad.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #382 on: 03 October 2014, 16:43:51 »
It never ends.  :)  Though it's amazing how "new" information can be found in sources that I've already read innumerable times. Anyways...

The Goliath should be removed from the House Liao tables altogether (it's currently AV1). You're somewhat prominently using it as an example for a design that is highly concentrated in its deployment. As a matter of fact, it explicitly says in the writeup for Cochraine's Goliaths on p. 90 of the old Liao Housebook that this unit is the only one in the entire CCAF to have acquired Goliaths. They are mentioned as "primary 'Mechs" for one other unit, Marshigama's Legionnaires (p. 96), but "primary 'Mechs" in this book were always wonky, what with oodles of Commandos, Falcons and Panthers in Capellan regiments. I always read that as "notable" 'Mechs within the respective commands, and the number of Goliaths outside Cochraine's Goliaths should be way below the Av1 threshold.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #383 on: 03 October 2014, 18:43:34 »
I was never taking into account Cochraine's Goliaths in figuring those numbers: a whole battalion of Liao assaults comprised of the same machine in that period would be Av 7 by itself.

Av 1 for Liao 3028 Assaults is 3 machines, so there's not much room for "way below".

But yeah, even ignoring the primary mechs (as I do too), the note that Liao has none elsewhere, if it isn't contradicted elsewhere, is solid enough that I would remove even the Av 1.  Thanks!
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #384 on: 04 October 2014, 04:55:33 »
Forgot to mention that in my earlier posting: Liao tables for subsequent years should also not have the Goliath at all.

And the St. Ives tables, being as they are descendant from the Liao tables, shouldn't feature the 'Mech either.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 24 May v9.02
« Reply #385 on: 29 October 2014, 15:16:31 »
Stumbled across something in the BC story Godfather (p. 239 of the Counterattack anthology):
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"An Orion," Nathan said. "Or a Marauder." Both were fairly common heavy BattleMechs in the Free Worlds League, with the Orion slightly more so.
The story is set in 3014.

You currently have the Marik 3028 tables with MAD-3R Av3, MAD-3M Av5 but ON1-K Av10, ON-1V Av4 and ON1-VA Av2. The availability difference seems too great. I reckon the Orion needs to be dragged down to Av6 for the ON-1K, and/or the MAD-3M needs to be pushed up a step.
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 11 Jan v9.1
« Reply #386 on: 11 January 2015, 03:46:35 »
A small update.

 - Corrected the faction lists to be accurate (the lists that show you all Av numbers put together, with no other detail, for quick reference).  Thanks to my wife for showing my sorry self how to get that done with Excel.
 - Quirk updates
 - Removed Liao (and St. Ives) Goliaths (thanks Frabby)
 - Corrected 3050 regiment totals based on 20-Year Update info (again; thanks BigDuke)
 - Minor other fixes (e.g. the Cyclops 11-C was called the Cyclops 11-B on the Davion table, etc).

Creating an Excel process to allow me to keep the Faction Lists up to date allowed me to catch a few very small errors elsewhere, and should help make things more error-free in the future.

Didn't change the totals based on the Battlecorps story, as I don't consider the stories to be accurate enough in this regard to overturn Technical Readouts (which say the Marauder is rare, for instance).

Wel, I guess it's on to 3057 now.  Still need to redo vehicles at some point though...
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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 11 Jan v9.1
« Reply #387 on: 11 January 2015, 07:12:11 »
Bring on Operation Guerrero (spelling?).

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 11 Jan v9.1
« Reply #388 on: 11 January 2015, 12:50:15 »
Thanks Xotl!

Just as info, I wanted to update my files but LibreOffice keeps crashing when I work on them so it will take some time, either till I find the error or a new version comes out that hopefully doesn't crash.

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Re: 3025-3050 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 11 Jan v9.1
« Reply #389 on: 27 February 2015, 08:35:19 »
Xotl, first I would like to say thank you, for all the time and effort you have put into and continue to put into this project.

Every updated version is better than the last, yet certain new features that I hope to find are unfortunately still not included.  Though I don't mean to take away from other features that are new and updated, they are appreciated as well.

But if I might make a few requests, or suggestions?

  • There are several units that with each update I hope to see added, but have yet to be there.  Would you please let me know if you would be able and willing to provide faction- and era-specific availability data and quirks, along with summaries of the supporting fluff for the following unit-types, the same way you do for 'Mechs and Vehicles:
    • LAMs
    • Aerospace Fighters
    • Dropships*
    • Jumpships*
    • Warships
    • Space Stations*
    • Yardships*
  • The same type of era- and faction-specific availability data for ALL unit-types including regimental availability data? (e.g., not just the likelihood of a 3028 Kuritan Atlas, Shilone, or Von Luckner, but one in the 8th Sword of Light, or 1st Nightstalkers?)

And, could I maybe even ask for an estimate as to when we might be able to see updates like those?

*NOTE: I'm not sure if this would ever be possible to account for at all, but units with an asterisk could possibly even be civilian or private sector within the borders of a given faction.  This could be useful for helping to flesh-out intricate details for campaigns and role-playing.