Ad Securitas Per Unitas: The Republic of the Sphere

[Phobos]

Just because there's something coming called the ilClan doesn't mean it's a Clan that becomes the ilClan or that a Clan ever conquers Terra. 

That doesn't make any sense.

[Knightmare]

It makes plenty sense. Just use your imagination!  O0

[Flieger]

There was a mention in TRO:3150 of deals being struck, in terms of what Stone has planned for the rest of that year. There had been speculation about who this might refer to - the Sea Foxes, for example.

But what if the "deal" is with none other than Alaric himself?

That would be nice. Then the Wolves, CC, and DC could battle each other, giving the rest of the IS a much needed respite to even the odds at least a little.
Also a clan finally taking Terra certainly changes the dynamics in the IS a lot.
However, I cannot imagine Devlin Stone would really ally himself with Alaric Wolf. He must know Alaric is dangerous, and having been a friend of Victor he probably also knows a bit about Katherine. An alliance with the wolves is generally not the best idea.

As for the acceptance of Clan Wolf in the IS... we know there is active Lyran resistance in Wolf occupied space. We don't know if that is the norm or the exception, though.

[Baron RedSkull]

Well, the product description for ilClan states that we will see the fall of the Republic so I'm positive that the RotS, at least this iteration, is going to die.

@ Nerroth: I think your theory about the RotS and the Wolf Empire merging after some sort of trial taking place on earth is a fairly plausible idea and, as fan of the RotS, an idea I could live with. However, I feel that just as plausible is that the Wolf Empire simply invades and get to Terra before everyone else. As everyone else, I'm very interested in exactly what deals Tucker Harwell is talking about.

[Nerroth]

That would be nice. Then the Wolves, CC, and DC could battle each other, giving the rest of the IS a much needed respite to even the odds at least a little.
Also a clan finally taking Terra certainly changes the dynamics in the IS a lot.
However, I cannot imagine Devlin Stone would really ally himself with Alaric Wolf. He must know Alaric is dangerous, and having been a friend of Victor he probably also knows a bit about Katherine. An alliance with the wolves is generally not the best idea.

As for the acceptance of Clan Wolf in the IS... we know there is active Lyran resistance in Wolf occupied space. We don't know if that is the norm or the exception, though.

I never said anything about there being an alliance, in the sense that the two leaders would be working together.

Indeed, I sooner expect Stone to die at Alaric's hand - and for Stone himself to ensure that this happens.

Why would he do this? He was already an old man when he went into the cryo-tube. While he may have expected a rather less active time of it upon re-entering the world at large, there may be only so long before he runs out of steam - not least given the neurological damage caused by his fifteen-year slumber.

Also, as the living embodiment of the Republic itself, the critical mass of loyalty he possesses is a double-edged sword. So long as he lives, there will be those who will believe in him and in the project he and Lear founded - which could be a critical problem if the goal is to ensure the least-worst outcome (i.e. by having Alaric win).

In other words, for any would-be Trial of Absorption to work, he has to die - publicly - and fall in battle to the man who would ultimately succeed him as the holder of Terra. (Just like in the "Fall of Terra" events at recent Gencons, in fact.)

[MadCapellan]

In other words, for any would-be Trial of Absorption to work, he has to die - publicly - and fall in battle to the man who may ultimately succeed him as the holder of Terra.

Stone as Lelouch makes far too much sense, but I have trouble seeing Alaric as Suzaku.......

[glitterboy2098]

i have a hard time seeing Stone and the ROTS agreeing to hand themselves over to the wolves.

ot me it seems far more likely that the secret agreements tie into the joint RotS and Fedsuns logo on the mech on the cover. and the hints to "government in exile" meetings. the Republic, or at least the Rump outside the fortress, allying with the Federated Suns, and it's surviving leadership (and miltiary units) living on within the Fedsuns.

[Nerroth]

Or Stone could split the difference: send the "hardline" units out of the fortress and over to the Federated Suns, and keep the rest in place as part of a would-be Trial of Absorption against Alaric.

So not only would said Trial ironically echo Tukayyid (this time with a Wolf Khan conspiring to win, rather than lose), but also the Refusal War (now with an "RAF-in-exile" being sent to fight for a neighbouring power)...

[Tai Dai Cultist]

That doesn't make any sense.

Which part doesn't make sense:

My repudiation of the notion that the ilClan has to be a Clan

or

The idea that a hegemon can be recognized by the rest of the inner sphere without taking Terra?

[Louie N]

We will see...

My only thought is considering that ilClan is at the end of a long list of publications.  When does the ROTS actually fall?  Will it be 3150 or 3160, does the published text indicate at all?

They can keep Stone up and running with Belter medical technology after all. 

thanks

[Levi]

Well hello there everyone. A real bit of interesting reading material here. Had just purchased the 3085 starter box ( the liability lance ) to start a Republic army. Guess I'm late to the party.

[Lord Harlock]

Stone as Lelouch makes far too much sense, but I have trouble seeing Alaric as Suzaku.......

Wait if Stone is Arthur Steiner-Davion(probably not) that might make Alaric a combination of Lelouch's sister Nunnally and Suzaku. Basically, Alaric would play both the instrument and unknowing Stone's heir in this odd version of Requiem Zero.

[Istal_Devalis]

Honestly hope the RotS survives as a major power, even if it gets a name change. Couple reasons.
A: I've already gone through my favorite Clan power kicking the bucket.
B: The RotS was a pretty major change. Killing them off completely while leaving the original five is just reverting us back to the status quo with some shifted border lines.

[Phobos]

Which part doesn't make sense:

My repudiation of the notion that the ilClan has to be a Clan

or

The idea that a hegemon can be recognized by the rest of the inner sphere without taking Terra?

The first part. If it is by merger/alliance, is something else entirely. But a faction calling itself ilClan without being a Clan? Doesn't make any sense.

[Flieger]

I never said anything about there being an alliance, in the sense that the two leaders would be working together.

Indeed, I sooner expect Stone to die at Alaric's hand - and for Stone himself to ensure that this happens.

Why would he do this? He was already an old man when he went into the cryo-tube. While he may have expected a rather less active time of it upon re-entering the world at large, there may be only so long before he runs out of steam - not least given the neurological damage caused by his fifteen-year slumber.

Also, as the living embodiment of the Republic itself, the critical mass of loyalty he possesses is a double-edged sword. So long as he lives, there will be those who will believe in him and in the project he and Lear founded - which could be a critical problem if the goal is to ensure the least-worst outcome (i.e. by having Alaric win).

In other words, for any would-be Trial of Absorption to work, he has to die - publicly - and fall in battle to the man who would ultimately succeed him as the holder of Terra. (Just like in the "Fall of Terra" events at recent Gencons, in fact.)

OK, that makes sense, even though I would not like it.
I actually miss the time when Terra was in Comstar's hands, seemingly neutral. Ah, the nostalgia...

[jackpot4]

A "fall of the Republic" does not necessarily mean its death.  It can explode into something new.  Those years behind the Fortress walls have given them time to build any number of new gear and masses of equipment.  A Clan may take Terra, but the Federated Suns are right there, the Remnant can still help out, and there is still the Rasalhague Dominion (Warden Ghost Bears) and on top of that there is the Fidelis, wow they are good to have on your team.  I could see the Bears coming to the Republic's aid and at least helping them hold the half of the Republic on the DC/FS side from the Wolves and Falcons.  Really, I wouldn't mind if they did a three prong assault and wiped out the dracs. 

[False Son]

Well, let's hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.  That's all we can do.  However, should the worst happen, the Republic thankfully has lots of units fleshed out in various TROs.  They are a legit faction with a legit selection of units.  I'd be happy to pick them up and play any time.

[jackpot4]

Well, let's hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.  That's all we can do.  However, should the worst happen, the Republic thankfully has lots of units fleshed out in various TROs.  They are a legit faction with a legit selection of units.  I'd be happy to pick them up and play any time.

Same here, I normally play Republic/Remnant with Dominion allies.

[RAW]

Does Devlin Stone look a bit like a late period Swayze?

[SpaceCowboy1701]

Well hello there everyone. A real bit of interesting reading material here. Had just purchased the 3085 starter box ( the liability lance ) to start a Republic army. Guess I'm late to the party.

Actually, you're right on time to get in on all kinds of Republic action ... the 3145 books, Wars of the Republic Era, XTRO Republic I - III, a couple of Turning Points ...

I'm hoping the new e-pub product lines (or eventually a Combat Manual) will service the Fidelis ... while I didn't like the Smoke Jaguar Clan, the Fidelis make for an interesting story, regardless of whether the epilogue of Surrender Your Dreams still comes to pass.

[Scotty]

Holy crap, how has this gone a full year without a post? :o  Anyway, forumites, I have a question for you which I'm having some difficulty answering.  I've got most of the answer, but part of it eludes me. 

On the MUL, the Republic is present during the Jihad, Early and Late Republic, and Dark Ages eras.  The Early Republic goes up to about 3100 and has availability information for just about everything that was built to that point.  The Late Republic starts at 3101, but only has availability information for units from TRO 3145 and TRO 3150.

So, my question for you: What units, if any, would the Republic gain from 3100 to 3112 (the Capellan Crusades) that aren't already available in the Early Republic?  What units, if any, would the RAF lose availability for in that time?

I need to know for a.... project.

[False Son]

I need to know for a.... project.

If you don't know all is lost.

[Maelwys]

Tough to say. They've got so much stuff in 3085-3100..maybe start with removing the oldest designs first?

As for adding, I probably wouldn't add anything other than what they're producing, unless maybe the fluff says something about it being sold to them. With the limited Capellan Crusades, I probably wouldn't even bother to add Capellan salvage to their list, since I think it would be so limited.

[Knightmare]

So, my question for you: What units, if any, would the Republic gain from 3100 to 3112 (the Capellan Crusades) that aren't already available in the Early Republic?  What units, if any, would the RAF lose availability for in that time?

Not much. Did you look at my RATs in OTP: CC?

[Scotty]

I don't actually have it, so no I have not.  That just jumped to the top of the list, though, so I'll check it out come payday.

[Baron RedSkull]

So how do superheavy mechs such as the tripods fit into Republic unit structure? Do they count as 1 of 4 mechs in a lance or do they make their own "Command Lance". I'm not implying that there would be 4 superheavys in one lance. With low availability, you might see one in a battalion. But would it be put into a lance with 3 supporting units?

[Weirdo]

I don't see any reason why not. Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen references to them being deployed in lance strength at least once, though I cannot remember where right now.

[glitterboy2098]

Iirc one of the new rots drop ships was designed specifically to carry a lance of superheavies (fluffed as bays, but cargo by game rules) and a small amount of support.

[Pa Weasley]

The Duat was a secret ComStar design with a hefty transport capacity. The RAF was able to take advantage of the cargo space to stuff Superheavies inside, six in fact. Goes along with the left over ComStar bay configurations of six Mechbays, six Level 1 of battle armor, and six drone control stations.

[Scotty]

I'd use Superheavy Tripods almost exclusively in multiples.  One of them is going to slow down an entire formation, and is going to need significant escort in order to avoid getting picked apart by harassers.  Several of them can lay down mutually supporting fields of fire, and if they're all the same speed they're not getting slowed down.