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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #210 on: 23 July 2017, 00:55:21 »
Go to the Catalyst web store. If there were HG issues, Combat Manuals Kurita and Mercenaries would have been pulled from sale so fast your head would spin, because they both contain art of the new Warhammer, Wasp, and Phoenix Hawk, as well as the Marauder mini.
That's why I wasn't yet advocating pulling the "Wrath of HG" alarm just yet. On the other hand, it did seem suspicious that the bulk of the omissions were those... Just the thing to play into the collective paranoia...

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(although a little transparency from TPTB would be nice).

Agreed. Although if there's a NDA or gag order, they may not be able to say anything. But still just something would be nice to allay the madding crowd's fears (or spur a run on hardware stores for pitchforks, torches and tar, along with a stop at Macy's to buy out their down pillows...  >:D)

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #211 on: 23 July 2017, 01:04:43 »
Agreed. Although if there's a NDA or gag order, they may not be able to say anything. But still just something would be nice to allay the madding crowd's fears (or spur a run on hardware stores for pitchforks, torches and tar, along with a stop at Macy's to buy out their down pillows...  >:D)

If they can't say anything, then there's no something they could say to calm people down.
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #212 on: 23 July 2017, 01:06:28 »
What? We still have Macys??? You mean they haven't gone the route of Sears, Service Merchandise, and JC Penny?

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #213 on: 23 July 2017, 05:05:05 »
Although if there's a NDA or gag order, they may not be able to say anything. But still just something would be nice

When talking (or not) about Harmony Gold, it's often best to subscribe to the "if you can't say something nice about someone ..." approach ;)

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #214 on: 23 July 2017, 06:51:46 »
"if you can't say something nice about someone ..."

...shoot him in the face?

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #215 on: 23 July 2017, 09:59:41 »
What? We still have Macys??? You mean they haven't gone the route of Sears, Service Merchandise, and JC Penny?

Sears & JC Penney is still around here...but man, I thought I was the only one that remembered Service Merchandise!

So...since this has gone way off topic, for pages now...it will be a while before we have any updates from what I'm told. The Wasp has been pulled, and the Valkyrie is on hold. Till they give us more info, that's all that can be said unfortunately.
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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #216 on: 23 July 2017, 13:58:28 »
My dad used to work there. And that ends this off topic section.

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #217 on: 23 July 2017, 16:12:15 »
I think we found our culprit.   :'(

https://dockets.justia.com/docket/washington/wawdce/2:2017cv00327/242820

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #218 on: 23 July 2017, 16:15:31 »
Yeah, I already cursed them over in a different thread.  I have visions of an entire mech company stomping their offices out of existence...
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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #219 on: 23 July 2017, 16:35:52 »
I missed it becauseof the misleading title :(

Yeah, I already cursed them over in a different thread.  I have visions of an entire mech company stomping their offices out of existence...

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #220 on: 23 July 2017, 17:43:05 »
It appears that the actual court proceedings that will settle this whole thing aren't set to begin until september of 2018 (that tidbit is buried in the mess of legal ramblings found here).

So it seems we better get used to being without wasps for a while longer.
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #221 on: 24 July 2017, 01:04:18 »
So why are they pitching a fit now?  The Project Phoenix designs came out years ago and they are still around.  The new Wasp wasn't any closer to a Macross design than the Project Phoenix ones.  Plus what do they gain out of this other than the ire of fans?  This isn't exactly big money we're talking about here.
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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #222 on: 24 July 2017, 01:10:48 »
It seems to be related to the computer games. Harebrained Schemes and Piranha Games were the initial targets of the lawsuit.
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #223 on: 24 July 2017, 01:22:41 »
I think HG just hates Jordan as it "looks" like he is the main focus even though HBS had to license the art/models from PGI and part of the complaint was that HE supposedly had a hand in it.

But what I find super funny is they are comparing the MWO Locust art from Battletech game to the Marauder as a copyright violation as well as the MWO Atlas saying it is derived from the Armored Veritech (Crusader). They also claim that the Shadow Hawk is a derivative of the Spartan (Archer).

Scroll down to the bottom of the link and read the PDF complaint file: https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/34e3xggza/washington-western-district-court//

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #224 on: 24 July 2017, 02:01:21 »
So the scary part of that is that if the court looks at the Locust/Marauder, Atlas/Armoured Valkyrie and Shadow Hawk/whatever-it-was comparison shots, and they say "yep, they're all robots alright" and deem them to be derivative, then where does it stop? is every bipedal "warrior robot" designed thereafter then a derivative of Robotech? Does HG then have carte blanche start suing the makers of Pacific Rim, Transformers (oh wait, they already tried that), Starsiege, and everything else that has come since?

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #225 on: 24 July 2017, 02:21:28 »
My magic eight ball says the creative team behind Robot Jox is next :P

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #226 on: 24 July 2017, 04:53:44 »
Worth noting Harmony Gold just announced a new movie deal with Sony...
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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #227 on: 24 July 2017, 04:54:50 »
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=58142.0

All discussion of the current situation with Harmony Gold should probably go there.
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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #228 on: 24 July 2017, 05:01:16 »
Okay now, CGL is not listed in those papers (or is it indirectly with "et al"?), so can we assume that they and IWM lay low by retracting the retconned Wasp, Marauder etc. to avoid siding with the "others"?

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #229 on: 24 July 2017, 05:10:48 »
Worth noting Harmony Gold just announced a new movie deal with Sony...
I'm still trying to figure out how Harmony Gold is involved when they don't own the IP. That would be Studio Nue, a Japanese company/. How does Sony, a Japanese corporation not do its own diligence in its own backyard?
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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #230 on: 24 July 2017, 05:42:40 »
Studio Nue has ownership over something... rather muddy. HG has rights in North America, perhaps worldwide distrobution rights I think according to them. This may be the end to their rights if the right parties get involved but who knows...

As for the et al, that would be Does 1-10 which I figure includes IWM, and InResMedia or InMediaRes... whatever the stupid name is for CGLs parent company. I would be rotflmfao if that 1-10 also included Topps and Microsoft. But yeah.. all rants, whining, and other sundries are going full tilt in the TRO thread in general.

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #231 on: 24 July 2017, 12:53:01 »
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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #232 on: 24 July 2017, 13:07:51 »
Yeah, probably better to just discuss alternative options while these are unavailable.
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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #233 on: 24 July 2017, 13:39:47 »
I'm honestly still not 100% convinced this is all tied to the HG vs. PGI/HBS thing. At least, not to that particular case, as IWM should have been one of the named defendants and not a Doe. So, I don't think they are directly a part of that lawsuit. There could be a different one we haven't found yet, or it could be IWM being cautious, but so far I haven't seen any of the IMR/CGL art mentioned in the Washington case, and that is what IWM's minis would be based on. The likelyhood that the Wasp/Valk getting pulled is related is high, but I'm not 100% convinced that it is the direct cause yet.

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #234 on: 24 July 2017, 13:48:18 »
I'm still trying to figure out how Harmony Gold is involved when they don't own the IP. That would be Studio Nue, a Japanese company/. How does Sony, a Japanese corporation not do its own diligence in its own backyard?

(This is what I deleted earlier, hopefully, it's not cutting too close) --

it would really depend on which portion of the Not-Named Franchise they're going to adapt. If they adapt Mospeada or Southern Cross, they can do whatever they like, as those are created and owned lock, stock and barrel by Tatsunoko. I tend to think this is the route HG and Tatsunoko would urge them to go because Japan is a sizeable movie market and they don't want to poke a hornet's nest by stirring up the Big West v. Tatsunoko battle.

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #235 on: 24 July 2017, 13:58:23 »
I'm honestly still not 100% convinced this is all tied to the HG vs. PGI/HBS thing. At least, not to that particular case, as IWM should have been one of the named defendants and not a Doe. So, I don't think they are directly a part of that lawsuit. There could be a different one we haven't found yet, or it could be IWM being cautious, but so far I haven't seen any of the IMR/CGL art mentioned in the Washington case, and that is what IWM's minis would be based on. The likelyhood that the Wasp/Valk getting pulled is related is high, but I'm not 100% convinced that it is the direct cause yet.

CM: Mercs and CampOps are specifically highlighted in the complaint and CGL InMediaRes is named.

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #236 on: 24 July 2017, 15:51:54 »
Honestly, at this point, I am just hoping to see anything cool from the NuSeen, wasp or no.

If nothing else, I am eagerly (and hopefully) awaiting the Locust, Griffin, Wolverine, Thunderbolt, and Battlemaster.

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #237 on: 24 July 2017, 16:41:00 »
Ahh, I was looking at the original complaint. I see on the docket where IMR was subpoenaed, but since I don't have PACER access at the moment, I didn't read all the filings. I didn't see CM: Mercs or Camp Ops mentioned in the original complaint. Where did you find references to those?

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #238 on: 24 July 2017, 16:43:48 »
Yeah, those are the other unseen everyone wants, and looks like those will not be affected since they are in the new SW TRO and 2nd SW book.

Perhaps IWM should create 100% wholly unique art for the Macross unseen that gives the same vibe as the Macross work but looks nothing like it and look 1000X better than the ressen so CGL can erase anything related to the unseen including the reseen which are uglier than sin

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Re: Any updates for the Wasp?
« Reply #239 on: 24 July 2017, 19:34:19 »
Yeah, probably better to just discuss alternative options while these are unavailable.

Fortunately in the case of the Wasp, the primitive mini is fantastic.
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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