New and Upcoming Releases, Vol. X: All Systems Nominal...ish

[Empyrus]

ISAW A-F levels in the chart do not match up with ATOW/TW tech levels.

Oh, i didn't realize we were talking about that.

Confusing when multiple tech systems use same labels...

[Adrian Gideon]

Confusing when multiple tech systems use same labels...

You're telling me.

ISAW A-F levels in the chart do not match up with ATOW/TW tech levels.

How so? The Tech Ratings in the Technology Effects Chart are derived from the Technology Rating Table on p. 122 of the TechManual, which is again used in Interstellar Operations (Universal Technology Advancement Table pp. 35-63). So if you've got a BattleTech Rating of 2 (units can be built of Tech Rating C and below), that means you can can build any sort of support vehicle, but standard Combat Vehicles and all 'Mechs are out.

[Alexander Knight]

How so? The Tech Ratings in the Technology Effects Chart are derived from the Technology Rating Table on p. 122 of the TechManual, which is again used in Interstellar Operations (Universal Technology Advancement Table pp. 35-63). So if you've got a BattleTech Rating of 2 (units can be built of Tech Rating C and below), that means you can can build any sort of support vehicle, but standard Combat Vehicles and all 'Mechs are out.

Really?  We did check that?  My bad for working from old notes. :(

[Adrian Gideon]

Really?  We did check that?  My bad for working from old notes. :(

No, it's all good. It did originally use a different system. I think at one point it referred to the FM ratings, which wouldn't work because they're contextual to era and faction, and at another point used a brand new rating. It was on the "list of things that bothered me." :D
Anyways, tore it down and built it up, so that it syncs with the big 'ole bible in IO, which hearkens back to the table in TM.

[SteveRestless]

So, can this TRO:Succession Wars be safely ignored by someone who has all the relevant TROs already? or are there kernels of new information that render it necessary to obtain as well?

[Adrian Gideon]

I'll have more information soon, but I'd lean towards "ignore" if you're up to date with all the TROs, which is why I want to make sure when it's posted for sale we're very clear that it's (mainly) reprinted material. But it depends on what you'd feel would swing it towards necessary. There are maybe half a dozen pieces of art that haven't been in a TRO before (but perhaps published elsewhere), there are three new entries, but no new variants, and a new introduction.

[SteveRestless]

But it depends on what you'd feel would swing it towards necessary.

Anything, intro, framing device or otherwise, set past 3145 is relevant to my interests. If it's new content that doesn't have anything to do with the future, I'm comfortable ignoring it. It's that introduction that sounds the most likely to be of potential interest, but could just as easily be completely outside the scope of my interests.

[Adrian Gideon]

 ;)

[SteveRestless]

How inscrutable of you.

I'm just going to sit here and hope that ilClan comes soon and renders such things moot.

[Colt Ward]

Just go back to planning the campaign to wipe out the Remnant and Galatean League . . .

[Tymers Realm]

Speaking as someone who doesn't have really any of the more current products, I'm gladly looking forward to TRO:SW!
While I have the FASA 2750 & 3025 TROs, seeing material I don't have and having material I know & love collected in one volume is a cool thing. Especially if there is Classic artwork in the mix.

[Decoy]

You'll want TRO 3039. It collects much of the TRO 3025, 3026, 2750 downgrades, and a slew of the things that were introduced around 3039, like Hatamoto-chis and Wolfhounds. The Classic artwork....is a little problem, but that's what they had to do to make it the Bible for introductory level play back then.

[SCC]

You're telling me.

Keep in mind that not all the A-F ranking systems in BT favor the same ends, in this one F is best, but in others (I think Availability is one) A is best

[wolfspider]

I'll have more information soon, but I'd lean towards "ignore" if you're up to date with all the TROs, which is why I want to make sure when it's posted for sale we're very clear that it's (mainly) reprinted material. But it depends on what you'd feel would swing it towards necessary. There are maybe half a dozen pieces of art that haven't been in a TRO before (but perhaps published elsewhere), there are three new entries, but no new variants, and a new introduction.

Will be able to see all 22 of the new "classic" mechs artwork in this new TRO, or just what we have seen so far?

[Adrian Gideon]

No, only some.

[ANS Kamas P81]

Which ones will still be silhouetted-out/left out?  It'd be a bloody shame to release a TRO that willingly leaves out some of the most iconic original 'Mechs in the game.

[Sartris]

Which ones will still be silhouetted-out/left out?  It'd be a bloody shame to release a TRO that willingly leaves out some of the most iconic original 'Mechs in the game.

Have appeared
Locust (CM: Mercs / 1stSW)
Wasp (CM: Kurita / 1stSW)
Valkyrie (1stSW)
OstScout (CM: Mercs)
Phoenix Hawk (CM: Kurita)
Griffin (2ndSW)
Shadow Hawk (CM: Mercs / 1stSW)
Wolverine (CM: Kurita / 1stSW)
Thunderbolt (2ndSW)
Archer
Warhammer (CM: Mercs)
Marauder (CM: Kurita as the painting tutorial for SoL) Also on the MUL and several mod/dev avatars)
BattleMaster (CM: Kurita / 2ndSW)

Have Not Appeared
Stinger
Scorpion
Ostroc (art not technically unseen)
Ostsol (art not technically unseen)
Rifleman
Crusader
Goliath
Longbow
Marauder II

[ANS Kamas P81]

Have appeared
Locust
Wasp
Valkyrie
OstScout
Phoenix Hawk
Griffin
Shadow Hawk
Wolverine
Thunderbolt
Archer
Warhammer
Marauder
BattleMaster

Have Not Appeared
Stinger
Scorpion
Ostroc (art not technically unseen)
Ostsol (art not technically unseen)
Rifleman
Crusader
Goliath
Longbow
Marauder II

Okay, I REALLY hope this TRO doesn't come out before there's art of those remaining units.  It seems like a waste of effort, knowing that (...or do we? honest question, Adrian) there will be Classics lineart for the remaining 'Mechs, not including them in the TRO just because it's not available NOW seems strange to me.  I know you can't talk about a lot of the business end, but as a hypothetical, will there ever be a product (perhaps a 3039 Revised?) that includes all the Classics lineart and stats when they're finished?

Sartris, you said the Pixie and the Archer were published, where at?  I don't recall seeing it.  Only lineart I've seen is the Locust, Wasp, Valkyrie, Ostscout, Griffin (2SW), Shadow Hawk, Wolverine, Thunderbolt (2SW), Warhammer, Marauder, and Battlemaster (2SW).  Are the PXH and ARC color paintings only, and if so where may I see such things?

Crusaders when, I need my armies of Thuds and Cruds! :D

[Legatus]

Have appeared
Locust
Wasp
Valkyrie
OstScout
Phoenix Hawk
Griffin
Shadow Hawk
Wolverine
Thunderbolt
Archer
Warhammer
Marauder
BattleMaster

Have Not Appeared
Stinger
Scorpion
Ostroc (art not technically unseen)
Ostsol (art not technically unseen)
Rifleman
Crusader
Goliath
Longbow
Marauder II

Would it be too much to ask for sources for these, so that we could look them up?  It is not easy to keep track of them.  Thanks.

[YingJanshi]

Would it be too much to ask for sources for these, so that we could look them up?  It is not easy to keep track of them.  Thanks.

I believe Sarna has the origins of all of them.

[Sartris]

Phoenix hawk was in CM: Kurita. The archer had art in CM: Mercs (see Bosch's avatar)

[ColBosch]

Hi! See this!

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[Deadborder]

There was a cover preview (CM: Davion IIRC) that had the Rifleman

[bobthecoward]

;)

How's work?

[Lorcan Nagle]

Phoenix hawk was in CM: Kurita. The archer had art in CM: Mercs (see Bosch's avatar)

It's the cover of the eBook of Wolf Pack.  I had a quick flip through CM:Mercs and didn't see it in there, though I wouldn't be surprised if it was reused.

[Adrian Gideon]

How's work?

the day job?

[bobthecoward]

the day job?

I didn't mean any job particular. I wanted extend an opportunity to being happy to getting a PDF out. Which probably is just a little bit of relief from what amounts to drinking from a fire hose.

[pheonixstorm]

The Marauder is also front and center on the cover of Campaign Operations.

Anyone know if any other 3D printed classics were made beyond the Warhammer and Marauder(?)

[Lorcan Nagle]

The Locust and Griffin have also gotten prototype models, IIRC

[ANS Kamas P81]

Phoenix hawk was in CM: Kurita. The archer had art in CM: Mercs (see Bosch's avatar)

Yeah, but not lineart like I mentioned.  We didn't have that for the Battlemaster either until 2SW, and lineart's what goes into TROs...

...unless that's changed?