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(Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« on: 05 December 2017, 07:17:36 »
A Classic Combine Double Whammy – The Gladiator and Von Rohrs

The Gladiator was the Draconis Combine’s first effort at a home grown Battlemech Design and was also meant to bootstrap the Combine’s Battlemech industry and industrial base as a whole which had been suffering from years of mismanagement and poor investment.

By the mid 2400s all the houses were involved in a free for all race to replicate the Hegemony’s Battlemech technology and field their own units and designs.  Some resorted to theft, others trade and soon enough the Inner Sphere was a sea of Mackie clones.  Except in the Combine who were late comers to the race owing to the nations poor industrial capabilities.  Still they started making their own Mackie clone like everyone else but Coordinator Kozo Von Rohr’s wanted something with which the soldiers and people of the Combine could point to with pride as their own design.

This was the start of a seven year design process, delayed by the Coordinators insistence that only a select group of Scientists and Technicians, all of whom were being closely monitored by DEST, were the ones to work on the project.

What they produced was an imposing looking 55 ton design that was a far cry from the box with legs form of the Mackie.  Instead it was far sleeker and had large segments of rounded armour as well as a cockpit that hung down between the Mech’s shoulders, giving it a somewhat hunched and menacing look.  Declared a success, the Mech was produced in huge numbers and issued to every unit that was equipped with Mechs.  With its higher speed and smaller size it was easier to move around than the Mackie and faster than its Davion and Steiner rivals and great things were expected of the newly named Gladiator.

Then came the Invasion of the Lyran world of Nox and the Battle of Beckvern Hill, the Inner Sphere’s first true large scale Mech on Mech clash.  The battle itself was a company sized engagement with the Lyran’s and Combine fielding a mixture of Mechs and tanks in support and the battle is now likened to the battle between the CSS Virginia and the USS Monitor or the first deployment of tanks in Terra’s First World War.  After a three hour battle, the Steiner forces managed to break the Combine forces up, ravaging their rear areas and killing the assaulting Combine forces Regimental Commander although this was at the cost of Archon Michael Steiner.

The debacle on Nox was then pinned entirely on the new Gladiator Mech and the Combine’s budding home grown Mech industry was nearly cut off at the knees as the production lines were closed down and further construction of the shamed mech forbidden.

The surviving Gladiator’s were not scrapped though and were instead moved to non-vital areas or second or third line forces and almost all the original 1R Gladiators were gone by the end of the Reunification War.

Yet this didn’t kill the Gladiator completely.  The firm Merryweather Industries in the Hegemony somehow got its hands on the Gladiator schematics and attempted to enter the Battlemech market with a modernized and more polished design, but only a handful were ever built before production came to an end when the company’s attempt at a privately produced Battlemech nearly bankrupted the company. 

But still, this was not the end.  During the Jihad, several firms that previously produced IndustrialMech’s started producing the exceptionally basic, but cheap as chips and easy to produce (by modern standards) Gladiator once again and militias and even military forces, desperate for something, anything to defend themselves with reached for them with eager hands.

And the Gladiator is still in production today, although the WorkerMech firms that made the basic R1 switched back to their normal products after the War, StarCorps then started producing a modernized version of the Mech that had first been developed by Major Alex Keller, a somewhat eccentric tinkerer in his spare time who had his tech’s rebuilt a handful of 1Rs with bleeding edge technology.  StarCorps removed most of the advanced tech and then produced a more reliable and cheaper version which still sees regular sales to this day.

Design

The Gladiator has seen a LOT of changes over the years, the 1R was a smorgasbord of primitive technology which at the time of introduction was the bleeding edge of the Inner Sphere at the time.  And conversely this now ‘so simple you might as well call it a tractor’ level of tech made it easy for small firms to pump out the R1 during the Jihad because you could probably repair the R1 with a piece of string and a brick.  The Gladiator moves anywhere between 64kph and 86kph and is very much a 55 tonner and can stand alongside other Mech’s like the Shadow Hawk or Wolverine and not embarrass itself too much.

But the design changes so much that I’ll put the major changes in the variants.  The armour is generally very solid with the Gladiator carrying thick swaths of armour that allow it to take a beating and as many variants had standard engines, it made them hard to kill.

Variants

GLD-1R – Where it all began and where it all went wrong, the 1R even though it took 7 years to design was then rushed into full scale production without much in the way of testing.  This gave it a whole host of problems that could have been ironed out if the designers had not gone from paper to working design with next to no prototypes made.  As a result, the 1R was prone to taking excessive critical internal damage, was unsteady, had poor hull sealing making it prone to leak as well as letting in smoke and even worse, gas and was generally a mess.  Plodding along at 64kph it was at least faster than the Mackie.  A large laser slung under the right arm and a pair of medium lasers built into the forearm of the left arm comprised the R1’s firepower which was adequate for the time although the Lyrans smaller, faster Commando also featured a large laser and was partially responsible for the defeat of the 1R.  By modern standards the 1R is incredibly basic and under-gunned, but thanks to the building spree of the Jihad, its not actually that uncommon in Militia or periphery forces.

GLD-2R – The attempt that came too late, the 2R was a Gladiator that incorporated more modern and lighter construction materials, protection and equipment.  It managed to cure most of the machine’s ‘quirks’ and boosted the speed to 86kph even though firepower remained the same with the paired medium lasers and single large laser.  Oddly enough the Mech was then grossly over-sinked, with 19 heatsinks added to the hull, whilst its hide was thickened to carry the maximum amount of armour a 55-ton chassis could carry.  Unfortunately, the Gladiator’s poor showing on Nox killed this refit and barely a handful were produced before the production line was shut down for good.

GLD-3R – A Merryweather made variant, the 3R was, somewhat confusingly produced after the later 4R and based on its hull.  Using modern construction materials, the 3R could move at 86kph and featured a full array of Jump jets allowing for 150 meter leaps.  Firepower was greatly increased with a pair of LRM-10s being installed, each with their own ammo bin.  The large laser, most of the extra heatsinks and a chunk of armour was removed to account for the weight difference, whilst the paired medium lasers were split up, with one being moved to each arm.  The result is basically a faster Whitworth.  Unfortunately, this seems to have just been a testbed and was never produced outside of a handful of prototypes.

GLD-4R – Merryweather’s design that was to be sold to the Inner Sphere was actually a very solid 55-ton design.  Armed with a pair of medium lasers, a single large laser and a SRM-6 the 4R also retains the jump jets and protection of the 3R.  The arms are breached by a gauss rifle slug whilst the side torsos and legs just fail the AC-20 test, but this still isn’t bad.  The 4R also has 14 heatsinks, allowing it to use its firepower although it will start overheating if pushed.  Unfortunately, producing the 4R nearly bankrupted Merryweather as they did the project off their own back and thus the 4R wasn’t produced in great numbers and quietly disappeared when Merryweather pulled the plug on their Mech production wing to try save their firm.

GLD-1R Keller – The customized ride and design of Alex Keller, the 1R Keller was rebuilt from the ground up and was basically a new Mech.  Featuring a 220 rated Light engine the Mech’s speed was reduced to 64kph but it then had a supercharger installed which allowed for bursts of speed up to 86kph.  Six improved jump jets were also installed allowing the Mech to leap up to 180 meters.  Weight was also saved with the installation of an XL gyro. 
Armour went up with 11 tons of plate giving the ‘Keller’ nearly full protection.  The electronics were also heavily re-worked with a ‘borrowed’ or salvaged C3i suite installed allowing the Mech to spot for others in its unit.  The armament was also re-worked with its main punch coming from a Snub-nosed PPC, which also had a PPC capacitor installed on it.  Supporting this was a brace of ER Medium lasers and finally a MML-5 with 2 tons of ammo. Unfortunately, the design has only 11 double heatsinks and is a serious heat hog when pushed. 

GLD-5R – The somewhat saner version of the Keller that was produced after the Jihad by StarCorps the 5R retains the same engine and improved jump jets as the Keller model, but strips out the more advanced and expensive equipment.
Armour was beefed up to the maximum the hull can carry with 12 tons of standard plate whilst the Xl gyro was also retained although the StarCorps engineers did increase the cooling system to 13 double heatsinks instead of the Keller’s 11. A standard C3 slave was installed as they were far more common and easier to maintain than the C3i system after the Jihad.  Firepower is similar to the Keller with the punch coming from a snub-nosed PPC, although it lacks the capacitor.  The MML-5 is updated to feature Artemis fire control whilst the ER Mediums are back on the left arm. 

Thoughts about the Gladiator.

The Gladiator isn’t actually that bad, the 3 and 4R are not bad designs and would do well in a Succession Wars environment. The Keller/5R are a bit weird, slow for a Mech their size but agile thanks to the IJJ’s with a weapons mix that screams SKIRMISHER.  Whilst the R1 is a dogs egg, it’s a  prototype and should be expected to be a poo pavlova.  Save for its lore being against it, you won’t do wrong with having a Gladiator in a Lance.  Not the 1R though, that things outgunned by EVERYTHING now days. But at its time, it was just fine.

The Von Rohrs/Hebi – Aka “This seems familiar…”

Designed to wash away the disgrace of the Gladiator, the Von Rohrs (named after the ruling family of the Combine at the time) was again going to show the might and strength of the Combine with a new Mech, one that would hopefully not embarrass itself.  The Von Rohrs incorporated all the latest developments and featured no ‘primitive’ equipment in its construction, also showing off the Dragon’s economic strength.

Unfortunately fate had it in for the Von Rohrs and the family that bore its name, and the entire family line was purged during the McAllister Rebellion which saw Martin McAllister take the title of Coordinator, and he in turn gave rise to the Kurita line claiming the throne as their own.  One of McAllister’s decrees was to cancel the production of the Von Rohrs and to rename it Hebi, or serpent.  Furthermore, any destroyed Hebi’s were not to be salvaged or repaired and those that broke down were to then be scrapped.

Thus, the Von Rohrs/Hebi slowly faded from service, and was barely mentioned in the history books with the Hebi totally gone by 2518.  Fortunately though, the peace that reigned at the time allowed the Combine to phase out what was in essence an exceptionally sound design without any undue trouble.  The economic problems this caused with the Combine having to produce yet another new design was then also blamed on the Von Rohr’s family, not the McAllister regime.

Design

It’s a Dragon, no seriously, this this is basically a 65-ton Grand Dragon.  Its that simple. This is a very solid Mech, built around a 325-rated engine that will let it hit 86kph, its got a generous 15 heatsinks which lets it use its armament without undue issue and 9 tons of armour give it a solid it not mega impressive armoured hide, the weight of the engine drawing away from the protection.

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Variants

VON-4RH-5 – So yeah..its a Grand Dragon, armed with a PPC and LRM-10 the H-5 is built to engage at long range and has the firepower and heatsinks to do so, as you can fire both PPC and LRM and walk without affecting your heat scale.  For close in defence the H-5 only has a flamer to call upon, making it worse at defending itself than the Dragon/Grand Dragon but more capable of dealing with infantry attacks.  Although the armour package is not exactly stellar, the H-5’s speed and long range firepower would have let it set the pace of a battle against other Houses Mechs and outgun those that were able to close with it.

VON-4RH-6 – Built seemingly to cover the H-5’s short range defence problems, the H-6 replaces the LRM-10 and its ammo with a pair of SRM-4s drawing from a shared ammo bin and gains an extra heatsink, bringing it to 16.  Its unknown if the H-6 ever left the factory though as it was on the drawingboard at the same time as the end of the Von Rohr’s bloodline.  Some MAY have been completed as prototypes but they are all gone now, as dead as the family that the Mech was named after. 

Thoughts on the Von Rohrs

If you like Grand Dragons, you’ll like this, can’t go wrong with a fast PPC/LRM weapon mix that outpaces most early heavies and lets you keep up with mediums and act in a cavalry role.  Yes it can’t get too close because of the 3/6 minimum ranges for its weapons but that’s why you can move at 86kph.  It’s a Grand Dragon that put on a few pounds, but its still basically a Grand Dragon, use and treat it as one.




A Gladiator



Another Gladiator, this one seemingly visually modified to make it look a bit more Combiney.



A Hebi/Von Rohrs/Grand Dragon.


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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #1 on: 05 December 2017, 07:42:06 »


GLD-3R – A Merryweather made variant, the 3R was, somewhat confusingly produced after the later 4R and based on its hull.  Using modern construction materials, the 3R could move at 86kph and featured a full array of Jump jets allowing for 150 meter leaps.  Firepower was greatly increased with a pair of LRM-10s being installed, each with their own ammo bin.  The large laser, most of the extra heatsinks and a chunk of armour was removed to account for the weight difference, whilst the paired medium lasers were split up, with one being moved to each arm.  The result is basically a faster Whitworth.  Unfortunately, this seems to have just been a testbed and was never produced outside of a handful of prototypes.

GLD-4R – Merryweather’s design that was to be sold to the Inner Sphere was actually a very solid 55-ton design.  Armed with a pair of medium lasers, a single large laser and a SRM-6 the 4R also retains the jump jets and protection of the 3R.  The arms are breached by a gauss rifle slug whilst the side torsos and legs just fail the AC-20 test, but this still isn’t bad.  The 4R also has 14 heatsinks, allowing it to use its firepower although it will start overheating if pushed.  Unfortunately, producing the 4R nearly bankrupted Merryweather as they did the project off their own back and thus the 4R wasn’t produced in great numbers and quietly disappeared when Merryweather pulled the plug on their Mech production wing to try save their firm.

Pretty sure you have it the wrong way around with 3R and 4R. It says in the text the company stopped production midway through the 4R's production run... and the MUL has the 3R predating the 4R by 5 years.

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« Reply #2 on: 05 December 2017, 07:46:32 »
I was confused by it too, the TRO says the 4R is the Large/med/SRM one and the 3R's the LRM boat as does Mega-mek. Its confusing as the 3R is descrbied as a testbed yet its got the earlier number :s
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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #3 on: 05 December 2017, 09:47:37 »
I was confused by it too, the TRO says the 4R is the Large/med/SRM one and the 3R's the LRM boat as does Mega-mek. Its confusing as the 3R is descrbied as a testbed yet its got the earlier number :s

It isn't described as a testbed. It just says they did a significant re-engineering on the design before building the 3R... and THEN went and built the 4R.

Honestly, it sounds like they got their hands on the 1R's plans... and had to basically re-engineer it up to modern standards (essentially recreate the 2R) before building the 3R.

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« Reply #4 on: 05 December 2017, 18:11:30 »
i have to wonder if the GLD-2R wasn't part of the inspiration for the PHX-1K.. weapons load is pretty close (LL+2ML vs LL+2ML+SL), and while the Gladiator has a couple more tons of armor (185  points vs 153, and difference by locations is fairly small) the -1K P-hawk is a touch faster (Gladiator -2R is 5/8, PHX-1K is 6/9)

the PHX-1K might well have been developed to replace the dwindling stock of GLD-2R's.
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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #5 on: 06 December 2017, 10:57:42 »
Doesn't the GLD-4R have a PPC instead of a Large Laser, or have I acquired a case of the stupids again?
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« Reply #6 on: 06 December 2017, 12:41:25 »
I'm still waiting for either fan financing to open up for the Von Rohrs or announcement of its release.   :D

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« Reply #7 on: 06 December 2017, 13:54:26 »
Doesn't the GLD-4R have a PPC instead of a Large Laser, or have I acquired a case of the stupids again?

Yup. PPC, 2xMLs and a SRM6.

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« Reply #8 on: 07 December 2017, 14:08:31 »
for some reason i really like the 3r version of the glad from merry weather when it was first seen in battletechoniy many years ago and the write on it was cool and then a little while later found a mini of the mech also. I for some reason have never really used it much in battle for some reason. not sure why though.

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« Reply #9 on: 08 December 2017, 01:08:37 »
With the Gladiator around, what was the point of the Wolverine?
(Now, I know that the Wolvie has smarter weapon placement, it doesn't become toothless if it loses its arms.)

And I wonder what happened to the first DCMS trooper who remarked that the (Grand) Dragon bore an uncanny similarity to the Combine's own must-not-be-named 'Mech...

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« Reply #10 on: 08 December 2017, 03:02:34 »
With the Gladiator around, what was the point of the Wolverine?
(Now, I know that the Wolvie has smarter weapon placement, it doesn't become toothless if it loses its arms.)

Gladiator was a failed DC design, Wolverine was a FS design.

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« Reply #11 on: 12 December 2017, 09:34:04 »
except for the weird placement of the SRM-6, I've a liking for the Gladiator.
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« Reply #12 on: 12 December 2017, 23:39:19 »
Gladiator was a failed DC design, Wolverine was a FS design.

I think you know what I meant--they fill exactly the same combat niche and the Gladiator does it that little bit better than the primitive and -6R Wolverines (weapon placement aside).  The Wolvie may have originated as a FS design, but it's the Marik variants that really made it shine.

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« Reply #13 on: 18 December 2017, 19:05:37 »
The original Battletechnology Gladiator was a 55 ton 5/8/5, with decent armor, 2 LRM10s, 2 Medium Lasers. I have one of the RAFM miniatures.

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« Reply #14 on: 18 December 2017, 19:45:19 »
The original Battletechnology Gladiator was a 55 ton 5/8/5, with decent armor, 2 LRM10s, 2 Medium Lasers. I have one of the RAFM miniatures.
so basically a faster but thinner skinned Apollo APL-2S?
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« Reply #15 on: 18 December 2017, 19:50:03 »
The original Battletechnology Gladiator was a 55 ton 5/8/5, with decent armor, 2 LRM10s, 2 Medium Lasers. I have one of the RAFM miniatures.

I've always been fond of that version. I was deeply saddened when it was established that it never made it to widespread production.
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« Reply #16 on: 18 December 2017, 23:17:40 »
so basically a faster but thinner skinned Apollo APL-2S?

More like a thicker-skinned, less punchy Dervish, IMO.

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« Reply #17 on: 22 January 2021, 09:39:20 »
I recently used both versions of the Gladiator, 3R and 4R, in Megamek and swear by both. A solid mech and like the Cronus a challenger to the Classic 55s. I have not tried the Von Rohrs but it looks good and I plan on trying it over the next couple of days.

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« Reply #18 on: 22 January 2021, 19:29:59 »
if i had Any pull at all with the devs, i would spend it all to being back production of the Von Rhors to fill out militas.......somewhere in marik space.  ;D

it's got everything i could ask for in a 'mech, hands, fire, and range.
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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #19 on: 22 January 2021, 21:39:12 »
As the primary contributor to the Von Rohrs fan funding, I also would like to see it back

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« Reply #20 on: 23 January 2021, 04:21:26 »
I was writing head cannon for a mercenary campaign for against the bot to see if an all PPC unit would work as well as my all LRM unit. The idea was to have a nominally loyal merc unit in Kurita employ getting caught up in the death to mercenaries order, and only a companies worth or so survive. They make a break for the the Commonwealth and try to rebuild finding the remains of four Gladiators(Merryweather) designs and some Von Rohrs that had been salvaged and discarded by the Lyrans, enough for two lances. They pick up some more common designs to round out the unit and rebuild the Von Rohrs and Gladiators to the plans they managed to find.

A bit of a stretch, I know.

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« Reply #21 on: 23 January 2021, 16:45:55 »
depends on how canon-compliant you want to be.

i'd just pretend instead of expunging the von rohrs altogether they just changed the name. the other option is the ole reliable "look what we found in this long-forgotten bunker." you're not writing official product so you have no obligations to adhere to the MUL

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« Reply #22 on: 23 January 2021, 17:48:56 »
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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #23 on: 23 January 2021, 19:08:45 »
depends on how canon-compliant you want to be.

i'd just pretend instead of expunging the von rohrs altogether they just changed the name. the other option is the ole reliable "look what we found in this long-forgotten bunker." you're not writing official product so you have no obligations to adhere to the MUL

I played that my mercs found a old Koschei in a collapsed underground parking lot in a abandoned SL city.  Canon would have the city in a habitable zone when the Star League was around, but with the 1SW destroying things and the habitable zones were receding when a CC/FS/FWL battle in the city made the surviving inhabitants pack up to move north.  Roll around to 3060s and the mercs set up a forward base in the city, excavating the collapsed ramp for more sheltered mech & vehicle repair area . . . and find a Koshei with it's engine shot out.  No sign of the pilot or previous discovery since this was in one of the earliest abandoned cities.

Another fun trope is finding the holed dropship . . . rapid unexpected depressurization leaves a ghost ship sailing on a comet-like path around a star.
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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #24 on: 24 January 2021, 03:58:55 »
Gladiators would be easy to find because the fluff is ambiguous enough as to the construction and what was produced Von Rohrs on the other hand specifically states that the McAllister's stopped prodution and even ordered that they not be salvaged, making them truly extinct.

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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #25 on: 24 January 2021, 04:49:09 »
Gladiators would be easy to find because the fluff is ambiguous enough as to the construction and what was produced Von Rohrs on the other hand specifically states that the McAllister's stopped prodution and even ordered that they not be salvaged, making them truly extinct.

Which does not mean for the purposes of your story some could not have been lost on a forlorn hope . . . or even better stored in the deepest level of some Lyran bunker on a base nuked in 1SW.

Honestly, the whole thing with New Dallas makes sense when you consider how even now nearly 80 years later they find caches of equipment that was never properly recorded or 'lost' for reasons.

Are you a Drac commander who in your last evaluation had a comment about how many Von Rohrs still exist in your ranks?  With a hint that your superior really wants them gone and you will not be promoted if you do not lose a some soon?

Well . . . you are going on a raid in a few weeks . . . and you know there is a decommissioned Age of War storage bunker way out on the other side of the training areas.  Dump four of those things out there and report them as 'combat loss' . . . might get you in good with the boss next promotion cycle.

Think it does not happen?  Look at the tanks and planes dumped off ships in WWII on their way back.



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Unfortunately I cannot find the stills of Brit ships shoving Lend-Lease equipment overboard after the war.
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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #26 on: 24 January 2021, 14:54:21 »
could also have been something abandoned during a retreat. space needed on a dropship for more valuable cargo and passenger space when bugging out from a world in the process of being lost perhaps. leaving a few less popular mechs in an old base the attackers never discovered.


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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #27 on: 24 January 2021, 17:29:09 »
Heck, I really like the 3r gladiator and have used it in a few fights over the years.

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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #28 on: 24 January 2021, 21:58:56 »
Good to see the Gladiator getting it's fair due. 

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Re: (Late) Mech(s) of the week - Gladiator and Von Rohrs
« Reply #29 on: 25 January 2021, 10:07:57 »
3R & 4 are good troopers for certain.  Not sure about 5 since main firepower comes in 9 hex bracket for good numbers to hit.

Im surprised it was in production during the Dark Age only fact Mech production would likely fous on expensive solid machines to make coin.
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