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Near the end of the Fourth Succession War,   the Federated Suns allowed the Capellan Confederation to steal a formula for a  triple strength myomer which had a hidden flaw,  when exposed to a catalyst gas it exploded into flames.

The Capellans were unaware of this flaw and equipped several battalions with the flawed myomer.   When it finally came to combat,   Davion drop ships fired a salvo of missiles with the catalyst gas in it.    When exposed to the gas a full battalion of Capellan mechs were promptly disabled when their myomer muscles burst into flames.

Cool caper.    And cool that the triple strength myomer was later perfected.

But how did this work?

IIRC the myomer "muscles" of a 'mech are buried deep within it under the armor.   And 'mechs are supposed to be relatively air tight which is why they can operate in a vacuum or underwater.

So how did the booby trapped myomer get exposed to the catalyst gas?

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The Liao mechs worked just fine until weapons fire opened holes in the armor.
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When a Mech's armor is damaged cracks and holes can be formed. This is what can result in flooded locations in underwater combat.

Examples of this occur in Warrior Coupe:

Andrew blasted an Enforcer that barred his way to the Palace 'Mech bay. The Liao 'Mech's autocannon blew a series of craters into the armor over the Marauder's right thigh while the large laser burned a scar across the heavy 'Mech's left arm. Andrew's assault, mixing the PPC and medium laser of his right arm with the torso-mounted autocannon's metal storm, stripped the armor off the Enforcer's right side.

Like a living creature suffering a stroke, the Enforcer shuddered when its right flank ignited. The torso muscles controlling movement of the right arm burned through in an instant, dropping the autocannon's muzzle toward the ground. At the same time, thigh muscle insertions in the abdomen melted away. Robbed of stability and mobility, the Enforcer crashed to the ground.

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Swirling through the green mist, a Liao Crusader charged at Andrew. In an instant he dropped the Marauder's targeting crosshairs on the humanoid 'Mech's outline, then triggered both PPCs. Dancing forks of blue lightning rippled up and down the Crusader's right arm. Glowing gobs of molten armor dripped from the 'Mech like liquid glass. Exposed by the PPC assault, myomer muscles, blacker and heavier than those familiar to Andrew, contracted to bring the arm-mounted laser into play.

Suddenly, the muscles began to smolder. An oily vapor rose from them as the Crusader's pilot struggled to make the limb respond, then the muscles burst into flame. Burning droplets of molten myomer splashed over the Crusader's leg and streamed to the ferrocrete. The limb, engulfed in the fire of its own muscles, swung like a man hanging from a gibbet.

Andrew opened a radio frequency to Morgan. "It works. Exposed to the gas, the myomer they stole from Bethel ignites when they run power through it to make it contract!"



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Sorry.    My account of the battle was mainly from the Fourth Succession War Sourcebook Vol. 2 and it was basically "The House Imarra battlemechs moved forward confidently to deal with the threat and began to burst into flame"

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I seem to recall we had rules for that somewhere....
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Rules for prototype TSM and Green Smoke Missiles are both on page 104 of IntOps.
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I have a question about the development of TSM.

Was the original formula for TSM flawed and later fixed by the Capellans (so it did not burst into flame) or was the original TSM formula what we have now and the Davions deliberately boobytrapped the formula the Capellans stole?

If the former it sounds like the Davions made lemonade out of lemons in getting a tactical advantage out of a dangerously flawed material.

If the latter it sounds like the Capellans were simply idiots.

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The former.
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Of course, if you aren't the Federated Suns and don't have access to Green GasTM then the Capellans will walk all over you.
We never heard from that stuff again, at least not until regular TSM came about. But I've always wondered if the "flawed" formula didn't play a role in the fighting against the Anduriens and Canopians...
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I don't think 'lets use this powerful weapon that makes out battlefield units great except against those guys against whom they are almost useless' is a sensible policy when those guys just conquered half your realm.
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Also TSM-X isn't that useful, unlike normal TSM it doesn't require high heat to work, but it doesn't give increased speed, I'll have to double check the TSM rules but to see if it still ignores the decrease at 6(?) but

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According to IntOps, the Capellans kept small numbers of TSM-P units in service for quite some time, so just about everybody who might have to face them kept small quantities of Green Smoke Missiles in service, just in case. These turned out to be useful, as they had the same effect on Blakist infantry with myomer implants as they did on Mad Max's wondermechs.
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If it weren't for TSM-X's green smoke vulnerability, I'd probably use it more. The increased melee damage was always more important to me than the speed boost I could other attain via a Supercharger.

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It's only vulnerable if the other guy remembers to bring the green stuff...and I'm pretty certain nobody will have it the first time you have that TSM, at least. >:D
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According to IntOps, the Capellans kept small numbers of TSM-P units in service for quite some time, so just about everybody who might have to face them kept small quantities of Green Smoke Missiles in service, just in case. These turned out to be useful, as they had the same effect on Blakist infantry with myomer implants as they did on Mad Max's wondermechs.

Now I'm imagining Tau Zombies screaming "What a world! What a world!" as they melt like the Wicked Witch of the West.
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Hanse hated the Cappies enough that he probability put up the formula for green gas on the Successor Lord message boards the moment ComStar lifted their interdiction, lest Max go after the FWL to try and regain ground.

Had it been hushed up, it would be funny to see the Liaos trading their TSM tech to the Combine and League, neglecting to share its fatal flaw. Would have made both Andurian and the War of 39 quite difrent.  That that didn't take place hints that knowledge of the tech and its vulnerability became commonly known.
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According to IntOps, the Capellans kept small numbers of TSM-P units in service for quite some time, so just about everybody who might have to face them kept small quantities of Green Smoke Missiles in service, just in case. These turned out to be useful, as they had the same effect on Blakist infantry with myomer implants as they did on Mad Max's wondermechs.

IIRC the mention of the cappies keeping some of the prototype TSM units in use was in the 2nd clan invasion novel, when the new yen-Lo-Wang's version was being described. apparently they kept them mainly on airless worlds and the like where the missiles wouldn't work. so the Cappies can be smart when they need to.

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According to IntOps, the Capellans kept small numbers of TSM-P units in service for quite some time, so just about everybody who might have to face them kept small quantities of Green Smoke Missiles in service, just in case. These turned out to be useful, as they had the same effect on Blakist infantry with myomer implants as they did on Mad Max's wondermechs.

Does IntOps actually state that the 'catalytic' munitions used by the Capellans/Canopians against the MD during the Jihad is the same as that used against House Imarra on Sian during the 4SW or are you merely assuming it is the same?  The reasons I ask is that not only JS:Blake Docs (p104) state that the Capellans used "tailored" chemical weapons, such as "'catalytic' munitions" designed to ignite myomer implants and that they were unwilling to share the technology but TRO3075 (p20) clearly states that the "catalytic munitions" were experimental.  Not to mention that both sources refer to munitions rather than gas.

I have read no indication that the MD utilized the same TSM in their TSM implants as House Imarra used in their 'Mechs instead of more modern variants of TSM that were no longer susceptible to the gas.  After all it was the Capellan Confederation who first pioneered the TSM implants and they certainly would have been loathe to re-use the same TSM that caused them such humiliation especially when they had TSM that wasn't so volatile available.
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IntOps is very specific in that the missiles that melted Mad Max's parade are the same that melted MDs.
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so the Cappies claimed to have used special experimental gases instead of admitting they used a formula half the innersphere would have have access to.

a wonderful bit of maskirovka. :)

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I have read no indication that the MD utilized the same TSM in their TSM implants as House Imarra used in their 'Mechs instead of more modern variants of TSM that were no longer susceptible to the gas.  After all it was the Capellan Confederation who first pioneered the TSM implants and they certainly would have been loathe to re-use the same TSM that caused them such humiliation especially when they had TSM that wasn't so volatile available.
I know the Beta IO document explicitly stated that the TSM used in implants vulnerable, haven't checked the later stuff yet.

 

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