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« on: 18 June 2017, 15:15:34 »
Been reading a little more today, and there is a full-page story on p.22 titled "The Minnesota Tribe." It is a report from 3130 about them, and while the entire page just sort of goes over the theory that they were clan Wolverine remnants, and how now they think it is more likely a clan scouting unit or possibly remnants escaping after operation Klondike.

It goes through the whole page of this, and then at the very bottom there is one-and-a-half line footnote from Gunslinger Eli Sender that is FRIGGIN' REDACTED!!! Just a big, black bar! I feel like I am being trolled so hard right now. It looks exactly like the hidden text bars that show up on this site, and my brain about locked up trying figure out how to select the text so I could see what it said! I don't know whose idea it was to put that in, but curse you for teasing me like that!

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« Reply #1 on: 18 June 2017, 15:22:24 »
Been reading a little more today, and there is a full-page story on p.22 titled "The Minnesota Tribe." It is a report from 3130 about them, and while the entire page just sort of goes over the theory that they were clan Wolverine remnants, and how now they think it is more likely a clan scouting unit or possibly remnants escaping after operation Klondike.

It goes through the whole page of this, and then at the very bottom there is one-and-a-half line footnote from Gunslinger Eli Sender that is FRIGGIN' REDACTED!!! Just a big, black bar! I feel like I am being trolled so hard right now. It looks exactly like the hidden text bars that show up on this site, and my brain about locked up trying figure out how to select the text so I could see what it said! I don't know whose idea it was to put that in, but curse you for teasing me like that!

Heh, maybe that text is selectable in the soft copy format.  Deliciously evil.  I wouldn't support trolling real book buyers, and I suspect their .pdf sales are pretty good anyway if only because that's the format first available for most fans. 

But if for whatever reason book sales are cannibalizing .pdf sales, they could be evil geniuses and have little things like that to reward soft-copy purchasers.

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« Reply #2 on: 18 June 2017, 15:40:22 »
You do realize that someone is going to take you seriously when you post that, and there's a very real chance this is going to be the wild theory that the devs are going to spend the next six months denying?
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« Reply #3 on: 18 June 2017, 15:53:56 »
the wild theory that the devs are going to spend the next six months years unsuccessfully denying?
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« Reply #4 on: 18 June 2017, 15:59:35 »
I mean, there's a real quick and definitive way to put a bullet in that sort of speculation and rumormongering.

Give us an authoritative source on what happened. End the teasing and vacillation, lay it out solid and concrete.
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« Reply #5 on: 18 June 2017, 16:21:33 »
You do realize that someone is going to take you seriously when you post that, and there's a very real chance this is going to be the wild theory that the devs are going to spend the next six months denying?
Then maybe they should stop playing these sorts of games? Whats that phrase, play stupid games, win stupid prizes?

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« Reply #6 on: 18 June 2017, 16:23:46 »
That's not the rumormongering he's referring to. He meant that PDF buyers get information the hardcopy buyers don't. Which is incorrect.

The speculation and rumormongering on the Wolverines is intentional and perfectly fine. Rumor away.
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« Reply #7 on: 18 June 2017, 16:37:27 »
That's not the rumormongering he's referring to. He meant that it'd have been hilarious had we been so devious as to provide info in pdfs that's not in the hard copy books.  If, of course, it wouldn't have been unfair to book buyers, that is.

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« Reply #8 on: 18 June 2017, 16:53:54 »
Devin Stone is really a Clan Wolverine operative!

There, I said that...

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« Reply #9 on: 18 June 2017, 17:53:59 »
I mean, there's a real quick and definitive way to put a bullet in that sort of speculation and rumormongering.

Give us an authoritative source on what happened. End the teasing and vacillation, lay it out solid and concrete.

I would prefer tha tthey didn't--the more that happens, the less room there is for campaign-specific stories.  I don't mind a battletech version of the mystery of Roanoke island.

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« Reply #10 on: 18 June 2017, 19:33:47 »
Depending on what we (don't) learn in ilClan, the guilty party behind Grey Monday may be the next Minnesota Tribe.

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« Reply #11 on: 18 June 2017, 19:41:46 »
Some mysteries left unresolved are nice, but Battletech is reaching L O S T levels of unanswered questions. And let's be honest, we don't need decade-old mysteries going around to create our stories, we have recent plot hooks as good or even better than Wolverines

And IMO they will answer the Wolverine mystery soon. that's why they are being used so much since Jihad.

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« Reply #12 on: 19 June 2017, 18:35:52 »
I would prefer tha tthey didn't--the more that happens, the less room there is for campaign-specific stories.  I don't mind a battletech version of the mystery of Roanoke island.

Conclusive Answers do nothing to preclude room for whatever you want in your campaigns. People are telling me all the time "do whatever works for your own game" and there's no reason that shouldn't hold true in the face of a clear, factual, reliable narration. The mystery finally being solved does nothing to prevent someone from running a campaign in which their preferred interpretation is the truth.

Additionally, leaving a mystery unsolved is one thing. Simply never providing answers on a subject leaves a gap that can be filled. providing contradictory, unreliable or untrue information is another matter entirely, and that is exactly what has happened with the wolverines.
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« Reply #13 on: 19 June 2017, 20:43:09 »
Additionally, leaving a mystery unsolved is one thing. Simply never providing answers on a subject leaves a gap that can be filled. providing contradictory, unreliable or untrue information is another matter entirely.

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« Reply #14 on: 19 June 2017, 21:08:12 »
Yup, that never happens in Real Life. Darned author fiat ...  8)

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« Reply #15 on: 19 June 2017, 21:44:05 »
Conclusive Answers do nothing to preclude room for whatever you want in your campaigns. People are telling me all the time "do whatever works for your own game" and there's no reason that shouldn't hold true in the face of a clear, factual, reliable narration. The mystery finally being solved does nothing to prevent someone from running a campaign in which their preferred interpretation is the truth.

Additionally, leaving a mystery unsolved is one thing. Simply never providing answers on a subject leaves a gap that can be filled. providing contradictory, unreliable or untrue information is another matter entirely, and that is exactly what has happened with the wolverines.

But as soon as CGL provides a definitive explanation, everyone's homebrew campaign to hunt down the Minnesota Tribe remnants is suddenly an alternate universe.  As long as the mystery stays unanswered, it can be interpreted however you want and still not directly conflict with canon. 

I mean, I understand what you mean.  A definite answer would be nice.  What would it change, though?  Nothing.  It isn't going to move the timeline forward.  It isn't going to convince the Clans to uninvade or the Word to send out Sorry For the Nukes cards to everyone with gift cards to Space Home Depot to cover repair costs. 

The Battletech universe is big.  It needs some unresolved mysteries. 
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« Reply #16 on: 19 June 2017, 21:50:18 »
But as soon as CGL provides a definitive explanation, everyone's homebrew campaign to hunt down the Minnesota Tribe remnants is suddenly an alternate universe.  As long as the mystery stays unanswered, it can be interpreted however you want and still not directly conflict with canon. 


So? Why is not contradicting canon so hot?

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« Reply #17 on: 19 June 2017, 23:34:35 »
So? Why is not contradicting canon so hot?
Well to be nitpicky every campaign is pretty much an alternate take on canonicity, unless you're one of those strict players who sticks with the ending no matter what happens at the table. If that's the case then there's a loss of agency in my opinion.

However I'll address and support the second part of ActionButler's statement.
I like having unresolved mysteries, because if CGL were to go through every unknown out there and cross it out like a laundry list then the game's history feels less like a sprawling tapestry of events and more of an FAQ someone can access.

Can the Minnesota Tribe be answered? Well it is a work of fiction so yes in theory. Should it be answered completely? Personally I don't think it should, because a little mystery adds to a sense of depth and realism (or at least an organic sense of history crafting) in the Universe. Then again I could be outlier. I do enjoy the idea that the game history is written by some unreliable narrators or just flat out wrong based on the evidence provided this era or that era.

Still in the grand scheme of things I don't see the Tribe's answer moving the main storyline in any significant way. So it is a loose thread, big deal.
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« Reply #18 on: 20 June 2017, 06:11:44 »
So? Why is not contradicting canon so hot?

It isn't.  To me anyway.  I'm sure that there are some BT fans out there who are big on sticking to canon events, though. 

I think it depends on how you approach the game universe.  Is your force a major player that helps cause faction-altering ripples? Or is your force just another nameless, facelesss group of soldiers just trying to survive the ripples of the first group and reach retirement. 

Maybe 'because comflicting canon' wasn't the best way to describe it (I was super tired when I posted last).  The Minnesote Tribe, left unanswered, is a hook that anyone can ise in any of their games.  By officially answering the story, it becomes hugely less useful for generating campaigns. 
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« Reply #19 on: 20 June 2017, 06:43:59 »
The Minnesote Tribe, left unanswered, is a hook that anyone can ise in any of their games.  By officially answering the story, it becomes hugely less useful for generating campaigns.

Which could explain why CGL introduced the Green Ghosts. Minnesota Tribe 2.0.

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« Reply #20 on: 20 June 2017, 07:28:23 »
However I'll address and support the second part of ActionButler's statement.
I like having unresolved mysteries, because if CGL were to go through every unknown out there and cross it out like a laundry list then the game's history feels less like a sprawling tapestry of events and more of an FAQ someone can access.

I don't think people are calling for every unknown in the Battletech universe to be solved however. What people are having an issue with is a mystery that's continually teased about and dangled infront of them.

If it had just been the original mystery from House Kurita, I doubt anyone would think that it would HAVE to be answered. If you included an extra possible plot point or two, then people would have just included those into plotlines. But with the Minnesota Tribe/Wolverines etc, they keep poking. You get writeups on an organization that goes around following the Minnesota Tribe. You have the entire WoB/Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe connection from the Jihad. I mean, including record sheets, I think Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents is about 160 pages long. 20+ of those are dedicated to WoB/Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe. Its not an insignificant amount. If you believe the Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe link, then you've also got a story that rewrites the history of the Clans and shows off the Wolverines in a favorable light.

And once the storyline gets out of the Jihad, and you sort of say "Okay, that was really big lie crafted by Uncle Chandy to get the Ghost Bears to fight the WoB," and people can relax and do their thing with it...and then you get another book where the opening fiction is once again talking about the Minnesota Tribe and the Blakists.

And now instead of just a simple report on them from Succession Wars, there's apparently yet another little twist/jab involving them.

So yeah. Mysteries are fine, but for some apparently, they dislike mysteries that are poked and prodded every 5 minutes without anything concrete being resolved :)

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« Reply #21 on: 20 June 2017, 10:46:19 »
So yeah. Mysteries are fine, but for some apparently, they dislike mysteries that are poked and prodded every 5 minutes without anything concrete being resolved :)

Yep, this describes my position.  I love mysteries and do not want everything solved or told at all.  But, the Minnesota Tribe/Clan Wolverine/WoB connection mystery (or mysteries) has been around for decades now.  Might be time to release a pdf product that answers some of the questions solidly.

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« Reply #22 on: 20 June 2017, 10:59:37 »
There's isn't a final answer to the Minnesota Tribe. And as long as it's relevant (such as in the Second Succession War—in a sidebar mind you), they're going to come up.
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« Reply #23 on: 21 June 2017, 17:59:01 »
Yup, that never happens in Real Life. Darned author fiat ...  8)

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Well, we go too far down that "Real Life" rabbithole and suddenly giant robots become ineffective combat platforms. We go too far down the road of what's realistic and what's not, and theres the whole gigantic FASAnomics nightmare. Let's not go that way, I'm not necessarily shopping for Real Life here.

Real Life also isn't very entertaining, or I wouldn't be foaming at the mouth, going barking mad waiting for a fictional setting to break the rust off and groan forward for the first time in half a decade.

But as soon as CGL provides a definitive explanation, everyone's homebrew campaign to hunt down the Minnesota Tribe remnants is suddenly an alternate universe.  As long as the mystery stays unanswered, it can be interpreted however you want and still not directly conflict with canon. 

They already ARE non-canon. Not Conflicting With Canon (a standard I respect adherence to) is not the same as Being Canon. No matter what we do, by virtue of not drawing a paycheck for publishing our work, makes it all unofficial.


I mean, I understand what you mean.  A definite answer would be nice.  What would it change, though?  Nothing.  It isn't going to move the timeline forward.  It isn't going to convince the Clans to uninvade or the Word to send out Sorry For the Nukes cards to everyone with gift cards to Space Home Depot to cover repair costs. 

The Battletech universe is big.  It needs some unresolved mysteries.

This isn't necessarily my grouse.

My problem isn't with a question going unanswered. They want to never answer the question? Superb, let's never answer the question. But That's not what's going on here. We've GOT an answer to the question, an answer that LOOKS perfectly legitimate, but then we get told that the answer we're given isn't necessarily true. There's nothing in the sourcebook to warn someone that it's non-authoritative. It's not in a tabloid sourcebook like the one with the hyperspace squids, it's in a legit sourcebook. But apparently, you can't trust it.

THAT is what I have a massive problem with.

THAT is why I think we need a definitive answer on THIS particular mystery, because we've been (apparently) misled once already on the issue.
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« Reply #24 on: 21 June 2017, 20:13:49 »
They already ARE non-canon. Not Conflicting With Canon (a standard I respect adherence to) is not the same as Being Canon. No matter what we do, by virtue of not drawing a paycheck for publishing our work, makes it all unofficial.

Granted.  But I would argue that something being non-canon because it hasn't been published in a sourcebook and something being non-canon because it explicitly defies what has been published in a sourcebook are two completely different somethings.  A homebrew campaign where my mercenaries fight a bunch of pirates on the FWL periphery border during the Invasion and they turn out to be some wayward Diamond Sharks monitoring the situation from afar is a very different scenario from a campaign where my mercenaries fight a bunch of pirates on the FWL periphery border and OMG ITS THE SPEARHEAD OF A SURPRISE INVASION FROM CLAN SPANIEL AND THE LEAGUE IS COLLAPSING ALL AROUND US!!!!!!

It is, of course, a matter of opinion. 

This isn't necessarily my grouse.

My problem isn't with a question going unanswered. They want to never answer the question? Superb, let's never answer the question. But That's not what's going on here. We've GOT an answer to the question, an answer that LOOKS perfectly legitimate, but then we get told that the answer we're given isn't necessarily true. There's nothing in the sourcebook to warn someone that it's non-authoritative. It's not in a tabloid sourcebook like the one with the hyperspace squids, it's in a legit sourcebook. But apparently, you can't trust it.

THAT is what I have a massive problem with.

THAT is why I think we need a definitive answer on THIS particular mystery, because we've been (apparently) misled once already on the issue.

Again, granted.  But it still comes back around to the question of what we are losing from the teased answers.  You're right, we do have a perfectly viable for the Tribe.  But what is the downside to that very good answer mayyyyyybe not being THE answer? 

Besides, it becomes a slippery slope, doesn't it?  Say we get THE answer to the Tribe.  Then what?  Do we insist in THE answer to Stone?  Or Morgan's killer?  Or the Walls?  Do we keep demanding THE answer until the only mystery left in the BT universe is whether Kerensky turned left or right when he left the parking lot after telling the House Lords that he was moving out? 

You aren't wrong.  Is it a frustrating thing?  Absolutely.  Is it a frustrating thing that I can overlook?  I think so. 
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« Reply #25 on: 21 June 2017, 20:32:09 »
There's isn't a final answer to the Minnesota Tribe.
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« Reply #26 on: 21 June 2017, 20:48:05 »
There's isn't a final answer to the Minnesota Tribe. And as long as it's relevant (such as in the Second Succession War—in a sidebar mind you), they're going to come up.

I think the first thing most new contributors do when granted access to the work groups is comb them for an answer to the Wolverine question. As Ray said, there isn't one. That's not why the Wolverines/Minnesota Tribe/Blood and the more-recent Green Ghosts exist, especially with the Blakist connections. They're in the story to encourage more unusual games. There are factions in BattleTech that have never faced each other, but with such groups in the "canon," you can justify such games. So better to think of the snippets about them not as "teasing," but instead as "justifications."

Anyway, that's my hot take. Does 2SW include the rules for interdictions?
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« Reply #27 on: 24 June 2017, 11:49:05 »
Granted.  But I would argue that something being non-canon because it hasn't been published in a sourcebook and something being non-canon because it explicitly defies what has been published in a sourcebook are two completely different somethings.  A homebrew campaign where my mercenaries fight a bunch of pirates on the FWL periphery border during the Invasion and they turn out to be some wayward Diamond Sharks monitoring the situation from afar is a very different scenario from a campaign where my mercenaries fight a bunch of pirates on the FWL periphery border and OMG ITS THE SPEARHEAD OF A SURPRISE INVASION FROM CLAN SPANIEL AND THE LEAGUE IS COLLAPSING ALL AROUND US!!!!!!

It is, of course, a matter of opinion. 

Again, granted.  But it still comes back around to the question of what we are losing from the teased answers.  You're right, we do have a perfectly viable for the Tribe.  But what is the downside to that very good answer mayyyyyybe not being THE answer? 

Besides, it becomes a slippery slope, doesn't it?  Say we get THE answer to the Tribe.  Then what?  Do we insist in THE answer to Stone?  Or Morgan's killer?  Or the Walls?  Do we keep demanding THE answer until the only mystery left in the BT universe is whether Kerensky turned left or right when he left the parking lot after telling the House Lords that he was moving out? 

You aren't wrong.  Is it a frustrating thing?  Absolutely.  Is it a frustrating thing that I can overlook?  I think so.

I agree that they are different things, and I think this is why it's ideal that mysteries that are never going to get a concrete answer, should be voids within the canon, rather than filled with contradictory material.  If we get one sourcebook that says  "The Wolverines were the masterminds behind Oldschool Comstar/Word of Blake" and one sourcebook that says "Uncle Chandy made all of that up" it becomes impossible to touch the issue at all without contradicting canon. The way things are, I can't do ANYTHING with the mystery without stepping over the line.

Ironically, I think it was a bad move filling in the Star League and Early Succession Wars in such detail. I preferred when those were left vague and talked about only in broad strokes, that it left more room to work with when they were just foggy backstory that didn't have hard facts. I liked that, because it left more room to invent new units and events, to establish the ruins of the long past, for use in the present. Now, that's a lot harder.

I was perfectly happy never really knowing what became of the Wolverines, leaving the question unanswered. but it undermines my faith in every sourcebook before and after, to be given an answer and then have that answer directly contradicted. Something like "what is the fortress wall and how does it work" is a pretty important, and I will be severely let down if the question is never resolved. Too big a deal has been made of it, and it's too game-changing to feel like anything but a cop-out to never answer. We've already HAD the answer to "Who was stone" at least as far as things went under Herb's watch, I just saw the screenshot I took for posterity last night. (answer: nobody special.) And having the answer to what he intended as the 5 hidden worlds was both satisfying and useful to me as a GM. I came across the screenshot I made for that too.

Something like morgan's killer is a far narrower topic. There's no bloodhouses to be created if his killer is found, but if you kill a wolverine descendant, you get to found your own bloodname. If you figure out who stone is, you scratch an itch, have a piece of trivia. If I knew what the nature of the Fortress Wall was, I could justify bypassing it and continuing my campaign despite the plot-drought. If knowing the answer to something is going to enable me to accomplish something, yes, I'm going to want to know the answer.

There's also Empires Aflame. Proves that there's interest, that there's a place for telling different stories by establishing different settings, rather than through omission of facts.

Bottom line is, I can't avoid crossing the line, if it's made impossible to tell where the line even IS.
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Re: 2nd Succession Wars Spoilers: The Minnesota REDACTED
« Reply #28 on: 24 June 2017, 12:05:11 »
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I agree with you to an extent about the entire Wolverine/ComStar thing, simply because it did become such a major plot point during the Jihad. That's the one plot that's been teased the most. Even more than the mystery of who Stone was. So it does kind of bother me from a storytelling point: constantly teasing something and then not delivering on it can only antagonize your readers. (If it had only had a couple references like the original Minnesota stuff or things like the Vandenburg White Wings, thats cool, thats leaving little story hooks scattered about.)




That said...what line is there to cross? Every game you play, every story you and your fellow players create is, by definition, non-canon. Canon is only the jumping off point, it's not the rails that force you along a single, unforgiving path.
Put another way, canon is an open-world to play around in, not an on-rails shooter.

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Re: 2nd Succession Wars Spoilers: The Minnesota REDACTED
« Reply #29 on: 24 June 2017, 12:09:36 »
That said...what line is there to cross? Every game you play, every story you and your fellow players create is, by definition, non-canon. Canon is only the jumping off point, it's not the rails that force you along a single, unforgiving path.
Put another way, canon is an open-world to play around in, not an on-rails shooter.

I said virtually the same thing earlier, every fan game IS non canon. But by that logic, why not give definitive answers? Every fan-game is going to diverge, so what is there to preserve by NOT giving us the answers to key plot points?
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