Author Topic: Might Before Metal: Home of Clan Hell's Horses III (Read 88330 times)

Nav_Alpha · « **Reply #30 on:** 11 November 2017, 02:33:34 »

Whoops! Just realised I typed 91st when I actually meant the 11th Mechanized Cavalry! My fault!

Kojak · « **Reply #31 on:** 11 November 2017, 02:46:15 »

Ah, well, in that case I'd build it as a standard Mechanized Cavalry Cluster with the newest and most cutting-edge equipment available to the Horses at the time. And I'd compose at least two-thirds of the component Stars of the three 'Mech Trinaries as Novas.

Nav_Alpha · « **Reply #32 on:** 11 November 2017, 02:53:32 »

So, say:

* Nova: medium/heavy OmniMechs plus Elementals
* Nova: as above
* Light/medium fighter trinary
* Straight OmniMech trinary (heavy/assaults)
* Vehicle/conventional infantry supernova

Kojak · « **Reply #33 on:** 11 November 2017, 03:00:59 »

I think I'd do something a bit more like:

Trinary Alpha - Fast heavy/medium Nova, fast medium/light Nova, fast medium/light 'Mech Star
Trinary Beta - Same
Trinary Gamma - Fast assault Nova, fast heavy/medium Nova, fast medium/light 'Mech Star
Trinary Delta - Light/fast medium ASF Star (x3)
Trinary Epsilon - Pure Omni Armor Supernova w/ heavy jump infantry

Nav_Alpha · « **Reply #34 on:** 11 November 2017, 03:02:31 »

Quote from: Kojak on 11 November 2017, 03:00:59

I think I'd do something a bit more like:

Trinary Alpha - Fast heavy/medium Nova, fast medium/light Nova, fast medium/light 'Mech Star
Trinary Beta - Same
Trinary Gamma - Fast assault Nova, fast heavy/medium Nova, fast medium/light 'Mech Star
Trinary Delta - Light/fast medium ASF Star (x3)
Trinary Epsilon - Pure Omni Armor Supernova w/ heavy jump infantry

This... this I like a lot. Particularly excited about Bearhunter AC equipped jump infantry.

truetanker · « **Reply #35 on:** 11 November 2017, 13:55:26 »

@ Nav Alpha: Project considered on the To-do list!

Nav buddy, I'll have them done by Monday at the least, check your PMs.

@ Armond: IIC / Klondike means just that, secondline mechs and those leftover from Operation: Klondike. When the formation of the clans started, this includes any Royals that may still be around and before early clantech came about.

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Armond · « **Reply #36 on:** 11 November 2017, 16:06:39 »

But you recommend adding a Star's worth to my current Supernova and turn it into a Trinary/whatever 2 Novas + Star of Mechs equals?

I love IICs and other Clan standard battlemechs, just curious as to why add a Star of Secondline to this?

Maelwys · « **Reply #37 on:** 11 November 2017, 17:22:55 »

Don't forget by Scour the Horses are using ProtoMechs (atleast I believe so), so those are possible for use as well.

How exactly the Horses were deploying them is still sort of up in the air (as part of a Mech Star? As part of Nova, etc).

truetanker · « **Reply #38 on:** 11 November 2017, 19:04:37 »

For the humiliations of others, of course! Imagine being beaten by a lowly Hunchback IIC, or the Hoplite-4Cb or even an Warhammer- 7A / Marauder-2R!

These are some good ones you can use!

Hope these help!

Basic idea is most people never consider these. Which should allow you some leeway. " It's only a Secondliner... so I'll assign a lesser mech to counter it. " But when it takes that mech out....

To be honest, I'd assign a Binary of Mech, making one them a Nova, assign another separate Star as support, adding a single Nova Tank Star as support, finally assigning a complete Aero Star and a Rouge Artillery Point as backup. I'd also would assign them transport in the way of a Carrier, an a Sassanid and a Lion WD dropper with a single Odyssey jumper. Last Star of BA is considered Support for the grounded droppers. If you don't need the Huey / Mars then they'd be there too, ready for that fire mission. If you need to add Proto's, well other than the Arcadia, no other transport has them... so maybe you could run a modified Broadsword as transport.

Again, hope these leave you wanting more.

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Armond · « **Reply #39 on:** 11 November 2017, 21:25:43 »

Are you describing a way to a Cluster here?

Binary:
Nova (Mech and BA)
Star (Mech)
Star (Support)

Trinary:
Nova (Armor and Infantry/BA)
Star (BA)
Star (Aero)

So in regards to mechs to use, I have a pretty extensive amount of mechs at my disposal. What about the Corvis? I think it is a great mech as a support brawler. UAC10 plus two medium pulse lasers. That's pretty nasty.

truetanker · « **Reply #40 on:** 11 November 2017, 22:08:14 »

No.

A single Binary that has a Nova in it, with an additional Star for support. Adding a Tank Nova, a single Aero Star and a single Artillery Tank Point.

Quote from: Armond on 11 November 2017, 21:25:43

Are you describing a way to a Cluster here?

This:

Binary:
Nova (Mech and BA)
Star (Support)

Support:
Nova (Armor and Infantry/BA)
Star (Aero)
Point Artillery

Dropship: when grounded
Security Star (BA)

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Armond · « **Reply #41 on:** 11 November 2017, 23:13:47 »

So with a Nova of 5 Grendels and 25 BA, what would you suggest for their Support Star?

A combination of mech and armor maybe? A Mad Dog, Corvis, Thunder Stallion, 2 Hachiman, and maybe a point of BA?

-Mad Dog - Star Commander, plenty of Missile Support and some additional direct support as well for med-short ranges. Seems an appropriate ride for a COmmander of a Support Star.
-Corvis - The only Brawler in here, mostly meant as a deterrent; UAC10 and MPLs are nice. Jump capability does a body good too.
-Thunder Stallion - Totem mech with quad-LRM15s and a short ranged Flak weapon, that LB20-X AC though...
-Hachiman x2 - more long ranged back-up for this star, dual LRM-20s and some short ranged defense in the form of ERMLs and SRMs. Has the right speed to keep up too.
-Glass Spider/Kraken - A pair of battlemechs which can really piss off some ASF, especially the Kraken. BTW I have both of these in Unseen form, so would love to add one of them.

truetanker · « **Reply #42 on:** 11 November 2017, 23:27:08 »

More like Highlander IIC, Urbanmech IIC, Wyvern IIC, Jenner IIC and possible a Firefly-3SLE or Corvis.

Just to see your opponents brown pants themselvs.

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Armond · « **Reply #43 on:** 11 November 2017, 23:29:54 »

Hmmm I have every one of those... Seem a bit of a mismatch of things, but they all jump I think too.

So how to justify my 5 Grendel Nova. Command formation? Got the 5 in purchase from Clan Diamond Shark in 3053, kind of a test of their variants? Always fun to come up with a story.

When you said support I was considering Fire Support.

***I edited my reply that you responded to, a little more thought out in terms of what I was thinking above your last post.

truetanker · « **Reply #44 on:** 12 November 2017, 14:07:51 »

Stravag, your contradictions are terrible! ( ;) )

Bane 3 as Star Commander.
Bowman as artillery support.
Corvis as mobile defense.
Point of Mars XL as bodyguard.
Point of Asshur for the TAG / recon.

Idea behind these is to make a really cool unit that can provide limited AAA : Artillery / Assault / Area deniability purposes.

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( These are just suggestions. )

Armond · « **Reply #45 on:** 12 November 2017, 17:23:27 »

Contradictions?

Oh dear, Bane 3 is just covered in LRMs. My only issue here is most of that Star I would have to track down and purchase! The Mars make sense seeing as they are the same speed as those mechs, so can provide that bodyguard role. I love the Corvis...

truetanker · « **Reply #46 on:** 12 November 2017, 17:27:38 »

Quote from: Armond on 12 November 2017, 17:23:27

Contradictions?

Clan thread, clan names... Kraken is IS name for Bane 3.

Well what do you have of?

Also proxies can be used if agreed upon before hand.

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Armond · « **Reply #47 on:** 13 November 2017, 04:25:22 »

Ah sorry for that, I play both IS and Clan.

I have a decent amount of stuff that can fulfill different types of support roles(Scout, Direct Fire, Indirect Fire, etc.) I can probably list some of it out...

Commando IIC
Locust IIC
Incubus
Jenner IIC
Urbanmech IIC
Clint IIC
Corvis
Griffin IIC
Shadow Hawk IIC
Wyvern IIC
Goshawk
Glass Spider
Thresher
Rifleman IIC
Grizzly
Thunder Stallion
Highlander IIC
Nightstar

That list excludes Omnis.

Shamash
Indra
Svantovit
Zorya
Epona
Ares (inbound)
Hachiman
Ku
Oro
Ishtar
Rhino
Huey
Mars

Those are the vehicles I have off the top of my head.

So taking your template:

Binary:
Nova (Mech and BA) - 5x Grendels and 5x BA
Star (Support) - So Direct or Indirect? Or maybe a mix of both? This has the potential to be an all around Support Star for Alpha Strike, or a type of Fire Lance if they meet the requirements, usually having a mix of Sniper and Missile Boat for 75% of the formation.

Support:
Nova (Armor and Infantry/BA) - 2x Ares, 2x Epona-A, 2x Epona-Prime, 2x Badger C-C, 1x Huey Assault Tank, 1x Mars Assault Tank, and 5x BA
Star (Aero) - I need to think on this one, especially since we don't play Aero right now, I have time.
Point Artillery - A Bowman? A pair of Hueys?

Dropship: ???
Security Star (BA): Star of Elementals?

truetanker · « **Reply #48 on:** 13 November 2017, 15:08:18 »

You can use the Mars / Huey point as your Artillery Support. This should allow you to free up a space in your Tank Nova. I know it sounds weird, but most clan engagements wouldn't use them unless they were called in specifically. And then you have one, also you could simple add them to your Support Star as a Rouge unit. ( Rouge being just a name with no connections. )

What I was trying to state with the Dropper is if you do run with one on the map, you'd at least have defense support. The extra Star really is just listed on the TO&E, non-playable, unless you really need it.

Hope this helps,
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wantec · « **Reply #49 on:** 25 November 2017, 16:24:24 »

Quote from: Natasha Kerensky on 08 November 2017, 10:57:30

For more Horse flavor, I'd go with Novas, Stormcrows, and (maybe) Hellbringers.

It's too bad the E is the only jumping Hellbringer, with all that crit space and 5/8 speed you can have lots of fun

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=5875.msg131145#msg131145

truetanker · « **Reply #50 on:** 26 November 2017, 18:27:26 »

Yeah, but if you look at how it can be deployed with a reasonable support, it provides a stable anchor.

Such as, we Horses, usage of Tanks, Protos and Infantry, both Conventional and Battle Armored. Otherwise, others would just see it as lacklustered!

Try it with Summoner HH, Parash, paired Hadurs, a Roc 4, paired Procyon Quads, a Boggart 2, a Svartalfa 2 and by adding a single Point of Enhanced Sylph, a pair of Buraq support Points, a Point of Fast Recon and a LRM Gnome Point for supporting fire.

Now add another mech Star to make a Binary, and don't forget to get a Rouge Point or two of Aero to flesh this up a bit!

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truetanker · « **Reply #51 on:** 28 November 2017, 22:47:02 »

Back to you Armond~

I was thinking of what I said about the Aero Star. You could replace it with a VTOL unit.

Let's see here what the clans use:

Donar
Donar Recon
Donar BA Support
Anhur
Anhur BA
Balac
Balac Recon

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Armond · « **Reply #52 on:** 29 November 2017, 06:46:36 »

What about an Aero/VTOL hybrid? I have a pair of Batus and Jagatais.

truetanker · « **Reply #53 on:** 29 November 2017, 08:00:53 »

Just ideas... but yeah, I can see these.

Batu D
Batu D

Jagatai C or E
Jagatai C or E

Donar
Donar Recon

Anhur w/ Point Heavy Jump Infantry
Anhur BA w/ 2x Point Heavy Jump Infantry

Donar
Anhur BA w/ 2 Point Heavy Jump Infantry

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truetanker · « **Reply #54 on:** 17 December 2017, 22:35:42 »

Oh Christmas tree, oh Christmas tree...

What will I find under thee?

( Crosses fingers for a new tank star! )

It's almost time, what have you been up too?

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Armond · « **Reply #55 on:** 18 December 2017, 05:36:04 »

Unfortunately I have been going through a school so my time is not my own right now. Almost over, then back to Battletech!

Just waiting for an opportunity to work on stuff.

Also, going to drop the Star of Grendels and go with a more normal mix of mechs seen in CHHs, all Omnis of course.

truetanker · « **Reply #56 on:** 06 January 2018, 20:25:53 »

Got ten Toads, two old school Rhinos, and four Odins for Christmas. WOOT!

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Drewbacca · « **Reply #57 on:** 28 January 2018, 11:51:28 »

Quote from: truetanker on 06 January 2018, 20:25:53

Got ten Toads, two old school Rhinos, and four Odins for Christmas. WOOT!

TT

Nice haul!

Drewbacca · « **Reply #58 on:** 28 January 2018, 11:52:58 »

Quick question: Do Quad- Vees follow mech or vehicle star organization?

jklantern · « **Reply #59 on:** 28 January 2018, 12:01:07 »

Quote from: Drewbacca on 28 January 2018, 11:52:58

Quick question: Do Quad- Vees follow mech or vehicle star organization?

I believe they fall under vehicle (which I believe greatly irks the Falcons).