WarShips from an AU I read.

[marauder648]

In a rather wonderful AU where a Cameron survives the coup because he's on holiday with his family on Asta resulting in a very different Amaris Civil War involving all the major powers against Amaris and co the space battles are rather vivid.  They also feature some ships that are clearly fanon (and in far larger numbers, the FWL has a 300+ strong fleet, the SLDF features a fleet in the thousands). Some of these are small vessels like the Reprisal Class destroyer, the Sampson class transport dropship (a 70,000 ton brute), the Mako and Merket class fighter and strike bomber respectively, and even a Rim Worlds home made battleship of the Thresher class.  In this story the Combine fleet also is far more complete and not just Hegemony castoffs.  There's a large fleet carrier with about 80 fighters aboard, a home grown cruiser class, as well as home grown battlecruisers and at least two classes of battleships.  The modern Yamato's and the old and singular Mikasa which is the Combine's flagship, seemingly acting like the TAS Dreadnought, an old ship kept in service because of her history etc. 

But i'm just blathering here, what we're here to talk about is the SLDF capital ships that are mentioned.

Th Brilliant and Crusader class escort destroyers are small escorts that were just entering service.  The Brilliant is a missile boat armed with nothing but Killer Whales (8 if they broadside someone) and packed to the gulls with AMS for point defence and escort.  The crusader features large numbers of lasers and is built to engage fighter formations at long range.

There's also two larger vessels that are mentioned but not that well described and thats the point of this thread.

First up - The Alaska Class battlecruiser - Described as a 1.2 megaton warship in mass with a mixture of PPCs, auto-cannons and missiles she sounds like a scaled up Luxor. 

1.2 million tons displacement, lamellar ferro-carbide armor, with a heavy battery of naval PPCs backed up by mid-caliber naval autocannon and a formidable array of capital missile launchers.

I'd guess that for her size she'd be a 4/6 in terms of movement speed making her faster than the cruisers of the time and the battleships.  Probably say 36 fighters with 4 DropShip collars and a good solid mix of weapons to make her a multi-role vessel.

The other is the Richelieu class battlecruiser -

The 940,000 battle-cruiser Richelieu was one of two such ships designed as a prototype ‘fast wing’ for the SLDF battle-cruiser fleet. More of a balanced design than the Black Lion class with a mixed battery of naval autocannon, PPCs, lasers, and heavy naval gauss cannons, they were capable of greater thrust, and were one of the first ships specifically designed to carry a HPG for interstellar communications.

The Richelieu is described as being very fast, so make her a 5/8 craft which is very fast for a ship her size.  The way I see her is more akin to a scaled up Kimagure with that speed.  Protection levels around a Black lions or slightly tougher with a more sturdy hull, less cargo space and less dropships.  18 - 24 fighters, 2 dropships and a HPG are a must.

And for asthetic reasons, 2 x quad HNPPCs in the bow and 3 x quad Medium NPPCs, one aft, and one each on the port aft and port starboard flank.  I'd guess the heavy gauss could go on her front left and right quarters with other weapons on her broadside supporting them. 

The way I look at these is again by looking at the Luxors, there the SLDF was quite clearly going away from having 90000000000000000000000 tons of cargo on a 'warship' and producing a very tight design with enough cargo space so they can go and do their job, not go and set up a colony or carry a super-liner for some unknown reason.  With the Riga II, the Luxor and the McKenna we're seeing more flexible warship designs that are far more focused on the war part of their name.  And I would guess that these would be evolutions of that growing doctrine.  In the story (by Master Arminas) there's only 6 Alaska and 2 Richleieu in service as both classes were brand new.  The Richelieu and her sister was built but then the Alaska's came along and basically stole the building contract.  But it's still an evolution of the designs we started seeing with ships like the Luxor and Riga II. 


So folks want to take a shot at the Alaska and Richelieu?  Any tenders are most welcome.  I'm not looking for perfection and hyper balanced ships, if the Richelieu is a heat hog like the Kimagure, so be it.  If your Alaska has weak stern firing weapons, go for it.  Perfect and uber tuned designs are a bit boring. 

[Cryhavok101]

At work now, will get to this later.

[Ice Hellion]

So folks want to take a shot at the Alaska and Richelieu?  Any tenders are most welcome.  I'm not looking for perfection and hyper balanced ships, if the Richelieu is a heat hog like the Kimagure, so be it.  If your Alaska has weak stern firing weapons, go for it.  Perfect and uber tuned designs are a bit boring. 

Richelieu? I wonder why I know this name?  O:-)
To tell you the truth, I fluffed it and made the general specifications and Knightmare designed it for me.
I am curious to see what people come up with.

[Red Pins]

Where'd you read it?  I'm bored...

[Cryhavok101]

Alaska Battle Cruiser

Code: [Select]

Class/Model/Name:  Alaska
C-Bills:           $22,764,069,600.00
Magazine:          $385,592,800.00
BV2:               203,568
Tech:              Inner Sphere
Vessel Type:       WarShip

Mass:              1,200,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  Compact
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-Carbide
Armament:         
    48 Medium Naval PPCs
    28 Light Naval PPCs
    16 Naval Autocannon class 30
    12 Naval Autocannon class 10
     4 Kraken-T Launchers
     8 Barracuda Launchers
    48 Light PPCs with PPC Capacitors
    40 Medium Range Missile 40 racks with Apollo FCS
    40 LB 10-X AC
    32 Anti-Missile Systems
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Alaska
Mass:              1,200,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass
Engine:                                                               288,000.00
Controls:                                                             3,000.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
K-F Drive: Integrity: 25                                              543,000.00
Jump Sail: Integrity: 6                                               38.00
Structural Integrity: 90                                              108,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:     5,466 (10,932) Double                           4,663.00
Fire Control:                                                         228.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                    2,040.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-Carbide (2,160 total armor pts)            2,160.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 369
   Fore-Left/Right:                    369/369
   Aft-Left/Right:                     369/369
   Aft:                                  369

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (36) (10 Doors)                                    5,400.00
           Small Craft (8)                                             1,600.00
   Bay 2:  Cargo (26,903 Tons) (2 Door)                                26,903.00



Crew and Passengers:
     4 Docking Collars                                                 4,000.00
     69 Officers (1st Class Quarters)                                  690.00
     344 Enlisted, Gunners (2nd Class Quarters)                        1,608.00
     112 Bay Personnel                                                 0.00
     30 Escape Pods                                                    210.00
     30 Life Boats                                                     210.00

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat   Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 MNPPC                    Nose       36-C   36-C   36-C   36-C 540    7,200.00
4 MNPPC                    Nose       36-C   36-C   36-C   36-C 540    7,200.00
2 NAC 30                   Nose       60-C   60-C   60-C   --   200    7,000.00
2 NAC 30                   Nose       60-C   60-C   60-C   --   200    7,000.00
2 Kraken-T Launcher        Nose       20-C   20-C   20-C   20-C 100    440.00
6 LPPC W/Cap               Nose       60 (6) 60 (6) --     --    60    24.00
5 MRM 40 W/Apollo          Nose     120 (12) 120 (12) --   --    60    65.00
5 LB 10-X AC               Nose       30 (3) 30 (3) --     --    10    55.00
4 AMS                      Nose       12 (1.2) PDS                4    2.00
4 MNPPC                    FR/L       36-C   36-C   36-C   36-C 540    14,400.00
2 NAC 30                   FR/L       60-C   60-C   60-C   --   200    14,000.00
6 LPPC W/Cap               FR/L       60 (6) 60 (6) --     --    60    48.00
5 MRM 40 W/Apollo          FR/L     120 (12) 120 (12) --   --    60    130.00
5 LB 10-X AC               FR/L       30 (3) 30 (3) --     --    10    120.00
4 AMS                      FR/L       12 (1.2) PDS                4    4.00
7 LNPPC                    R/LBS      49-C   49-C   49-C   --   735    19,600.00
7 LNPPC                    R/LBS      49-C   49-C   49-C   --   735    19,600.00
3 NAC 20                   R/LBS      60-C   60-C   60-C   --   180    15,000.00
3 NAC 20                   R/LBS      60-C   60-C   60-C   --   180    15,000.00
4 Baraccuda Launchers      R/LBS       8-C    8-C    8-C    8-C  40    360.00
6 LPPC W/Cap               R/LBS      60 (6) 60 (6) --     --    60    48.00
5 MRM 40 W/Apollo          R/LBS    120 (12) 120 (12) --   --    60    130.00
5 LB 10-X AC               R/LBS      30 (3) 30 (3) --     --    10    120.00
4 AMS                      R/LBS      12 (1.2) PDS                4    4.00
4 MNPPC                    AR/L       36-C   36-C   36-C   36-C 540    14,400.00
2 NAC 30                   AR/L       60-C   60-C   60-C   --   200    14,000.00
6 LPPC W/Cap               AR/L       60 (6) 60 (6) --     --    60    48.00
5 MRM 40 W/Apollo          AR/L     120 (12) 120 (12) --   --    60    130.00
5 LB 10-X AC               AR/L       30 (3) 30 (3) --     --    10    120.00
4 AMS                      AR/L       12 (1.2) PDS                4    4.00
4 MNPPC                    Aft        36-C   36-C   36-C   36-C 540    7,200.00
4 MNPPC                    Aft        36-C   36-C   36-C   36-C 540    7,200.00
2 NAC 30                   Aft        60-C   60-C   60-C   --   200    7,000.00
2 NAC 30                   Aft        60-C   60-C   60-C   --   200    7,000.00
2 Kraken-T Launcher        Aft        20-C   20-C   20-C   20-C 100    440.00
6 LPPC W/Cap               Aft        60 (6) 60 (6) --     --    60    24.00
5 MRM 40 W/Apollo          Aft      120 (12) 120 (12) --   --    60    65.00
5 LB 10-X AC               Aft        30 (3) 30 (3) --     --    10    55.00
4 AMS                      Aft        12 (1.2) PDS                4    2.00

Ammunition                                                             Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MRM 40+Apollo 420 Ammo                                                 70.00
AMS (IS) 3840 Ammo                                                     320.00
AC 10 LB-X (IS) 4000 Ammo                                              400.00
Naval AC 30 3600 Ammo                                                  2,880.00
Naval AC 20 4800 Ammo                                                  1,920.00
Capital Launcher Kraken-T 40 Ammo                                      4,000.00
Capital Launcher Barracuda 80 Ammo                                     2,400.00



Edits: Forgot to transfer certain numbers over to this sheet

[Cryhavok101]

Richelieu

Code: [Select]

Class/Model/Name:  Richelieu
C-Bills:           $18,599,056,000.00
Magazine:          $43,920,000.00
BV2:               147,835
Tech:              Inner Sphere
Vessel Type:       WarShip

Mass:              940,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  Compact
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-Carbide
Armament:         
    12 Medium Naval PPCs
     8 Heavy Naval PPCs
    16 Naval Autocannon class 10
     4 Heavy Naval Gauss
    48 ER PPCs
    48 Improved Heavy Gauss Rifle
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Richelieu
Mass:              940,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass
Engine:                                                               282,000.00
Controls:                                                             2,350.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
K-F Drive: Integrity: 20                                              434,750.00
Jump Sail: Integrity: 5                                               77.00
Structural Integrity: 75                                              70,500.00
Total Heat Sinks:     3,023 (6,046) Double                            2,228.00
Fire Control:                                                         0.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                    2,040.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-Carbide (1,410 total armor pts)            1,410.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 243
   Fore-Left/Right:                    243/243
   Aft-Left/Right:                     243/243
   Aft:                                  243

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (24) (3 Doors)                                     5,400.00
   Bay 2:  Cargo (11,368 Tons) (1 Door)                                11,368.00



Crew and Passengers:
     2 Docking Hardpoints                                              2,000.00
     53 Officers (1st Class Quarters)                                  530.00
     267 Enlisted, Gunners (2nd Class Quarters)                        1,869.00
     48 Bay Personnel                                                  0.00
     20 Escape Pods                                                    140.00
     20 Life Boats                                                     140.00

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat   Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 HNPPC                    Nose       60-C   60-C   60-C   60-C 900    12,000.00
4 HNPPC                    Nose       60-C   60-C   60-C   60-C 900    12,000.00
6 ER PPC                   Nose       60 (6) 60 (6) 60 (6) --    90    42.00
6 Improved Heavy Gauss     Nose      132(13)132(13)132(13) --    12    120.00
2 Heavy NGR                FR/L       60-C   60-C   60-C   60-C  36    28,000.00
4 NAC 10                   FR/L       40-C   40-C   40-C   --   120    8,000.00
6 ER PPC                   FR/L       60 (6) 60 (6) 60 (6) --    90    84.00
6 Improved Heavy Gauss     FR/L      132(13)132(13)132(13) --    12    240.00
8 NL-55                    R/LBS      44-C   44-C   44-C   44-C 680    17,600.00
4 NAC 10                   R/LBS      40-C   40-C   40-C   --   120    16,000.00
4 MNPPC                    AR/L       36-C   36-C   36-C   36-C 540    14,400.00
6 ER PPC                   AR/L       60 (6) 60 (6) 60 (6) --    90    84.00
6 Improved Heavy Gauss     AR/L      132(13)132(13)132(13) --    12    240.00
4 MNPPC                    Aft        36-C   36-C   36-C   36-C 540    7,200.00
6 ER PPC                   Aft        60 (6) 60 (6) 60 (6) --    90    42.00
6 Improved Heavy Gauss     Aft       132(13)132(13)132(13) --    12    120.00

Ammunition                                                             Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gauss Rifle Heavy Improved 7680 Ammo                                   1,920.00
Naval AC 10 320 Ammo                                                   64.00
Naval Gauss Rifle Heavy 80 Ammo                                        40.00

Equipment                                                              Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mobile HPG                                                             50.00




[marauder648]

Very nice :) But these are SLDF era ships so they'd not have the heavy batteries of point defences (sadly :( ) It just wasn't their doctrine to do so even though common sense says PUT MECH SCALE WEAPONS ON THEM FOR GODS SAKE!!!!

If ya gonna put some Mech scale weapons on them, go for weapons of the times, so probably a mix of large lasers (which were one of the few common weapons you see on SLDF ships) backed up by some LRMs.  Or none at all.

[Cryhavok101]

Ah okay. The way your post was worded it sounded like the SLDF was still around in the modern era (or maybe just my misinterpretation of it), and I was thinking design philosophies might have progressed as well.

I'll see about changing them up tomorrow evening... unless someone else wants to step in and offer their own designs.

I think I might end up replacing all those fighter scale weapons with capital missiles, rather than moving the weight over to cargo.

I assume sub-capital stuff is out as well? Did the SLDF era have teleoperated missiles or should I switch those Kraken-Ts out too?

[Vition2]

I assume sub-capital stuff is out as well? Did the SLDF era have teleoperated missiles or should I switch those Kraken-Ts out too?

Sub-cap stuff was introduced in the 3070s, while the teleoperated missiles (which were a bit tough to track down) were introduced in the 3050s.

[Dragon Cat]

How's this for the Alaska?

[marauder648]

I would assume that the SLDF would have seen Tele-operated missiles as a thing but not chased the idea due to their tech advantage.  If the Hegemony had survived (as happened in the story in the end) and the SLDF remained a force then sure they would have adapted over time, the Amaris War would have shown them that they needed better anti-fighter defences, the escort DD's they were starting to launch were a step in the right direction.  But the author also says that WarShips themselves have point defences and anti-missile defences themselves (as well as having proximity fuses for NAC's turning them into huge flak guns which makes sense).

But in this case the Alaska and Richelieu are both 2755 era vessels the SLDF as it was right at the start of the coup.  The Alaska's were all captured on the slips by Amaris forces and completed whilst the two Richelieus were complete in the Richelieus case and Jean Bart was 86% complete and both managed to flee the Sol System.  The Richelieu had also been fitted with luxurious quarters for her passengers, and might have served as SLDF-1 as the First Lords personal transport (he took an interest in her and spent 1 billion upgrading her quarters because she shared the first 4 letters of her name with his). 

So 2755 tech only please :)


And Dragon Cat I really like that take on the Alaska, you've made her like a larger scale Luxor and it works well, I couldn't see her armour stats anywhere though and she's a bit slow at 3/5 but she makes up for it with a wallop.  More a replacement for the Monsoon and a 'light' battleship than battlecruiser.

[Dragon Cat]

A bit slow?  Same as the Black Lion and Faster than the Cameron 4/6 is overated  ;D :D

[marauder648]

A bit slow?  Same as the Black Lion and Faster than the Cameron 4/6 is overated  ;D :D

Okay good point :p  Still part of me goes "Battlecruisers should be fast..."  and then I look at the Kimagure and go "Why didn't the SLDF build more of these things..they are lovely!" :p

3/5 is fine for a 1.2 million ton lady, she can still pick up her skirt and run if needs be.

I assume she's got a LF battery?

[Dragon Cat]

Yup in the techbase section

[Dragon Cat]

And the Richelieu-class Battle-cruiser

[marauder648]

Very nice! a suped up Kimagure, pretty spot on really :)

[master arminas]

Well, glad that ya'll enjoyed the story (Kerensky and Kurita; in three parts).  About the ships, some of them I "borrowed".  The Richelieu (for example) was a concept of Ice Hellion.  The others?  I pretty much just made up.

At one point in time, all of them were posted here on the BT boards.  Now, whether or not they still exist . . . your guess is as good as mine.  But I know that my version of the Alaska, Mikasa (incidentally, not a singular ship, but the first ship of the first BB class that House Kurita constructed; about half of their battle-line during the story-line of K&K consisted of the Mikasa class), Kongo (a version of the Mikasa with increased thrust, at the cost of weapons and armor), Brilliant, and Crusader were posted here.

Found one:

Mikasa-class

MA

[marauder648]

The story is a superb what if, its damn well written, it fits the universe perfectly, there's a great cast of characters too :)

Your Story helped inspire some of the Warship art I had done in this thread. - http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=52472.0

[Red Pins]

>Snort.<

That's MA for you; almost makes you wish he was the line developer/premiere novelist.

I thought I'd dl'ed the Cameron Legacy series at some point, but I guess not.  (BTW, the downloads page for ourbattletech is down.)

So - MA - still busy at work?  Any upcoming work to distract us from the lack of headway on new plot books?  Pretty please?

[mikecj]

Well, glad that ya'll enjoyed the story (Kerensky and Kurita; in three parts).  About the ships, some of them I "borrowed".  The Richelieu (for example) was a concept of Ice Hellion.  The others?  I pretty much just made up.

At one point in time, all of them were posted here on the BT boards.  Now, whether or not they still exist . . . your guess is as good as mine.  But I know that my version of the Alaska, Mikasa (incidentally, not a singular ship, but the first ship of the first BB class that House Kurita constructed; about half of their battle-line during the story-line of K&K consisted of the Mikasa class), Kongo (a version of the Mikasa with increased thrust, at the cost of weapons and armor), Brilliant, and Crusader were posted here.

Found one:

Mikasa-class

MA

Thanks!  I downloaded the stories but not the ships.

[master arminas]

And the full story:

The Cameron Legacy:  The Fall of the Star League

MA

[mikecj]

I always loved the first scene, it set the tone so well.

[wolfcannon]

i believe i have them stored.  MA.