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Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« on: 16 March 2017, 19:55:57 »
Quick question. By 3130, the Capellan Confederation had captured three worlds from the Taurians, Laconis, Brisbane and Bromhead (The latter of which was taken from the FedSuns by the Taurians during the Jihad). Is there any information as to when this happened? The three worlds are still in the Concordat as of the Victoria war, but there's no maps of the region between 3103 and 3130. If there's some reference as to when this happened, I seem to have missed this.
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Re: Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« Reply #1 on: 04 April 2017, 18:01:41 »
I researched this quite heavily a few years back when I did a TtS-esque writeup of Laconis for one of my campaigns, and the short answer is no, there doesn't appear to be any canon explanation. Given the apparent timing, though, I surmised it might have been a chastened Daoshen, fresh off the humiliation of his defeat in the Capellan Crusades, choosing to lash out at a weakened neighbor to demonstrate his strength to his foes, lest they smell weakness. But obviously that is 100% conjecture on my part.
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Re: Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« Reply #2 on: 19 April 2017, 14:51:41 »
Quick question. By 3130, the Capellan Confederation had captured three worlds from the Taurians, Laconis, Brisbane and Bromhead (The latter of which was taken from the FedSuns by the Taurians during the Jihad). Is there any information as to when this happened? The three worlds are still in the Concordat as of the Victoria war, but there's no maps of the region between 3103 and 3130. If there's some reference as to when this happened, I seem to have missed this.

I researched this quite heavily a few years back when I did a TtS-esque writeup of Laconis for one of my campaigns, and the short answer is no, there doesn't appear to be any canon explanation. Given the apparent timing, though, I surmised it might have been a chastened Daoshen, fresh off the humiliation of his defeat in the Capellan Crusades, choosing to lash out at a weakened neighbor to demonstrate his strength to his foes, lest they smell weakness. But obviously that is 100% conjecture on my part.

Actually, if you check Kaff Doru's profile in ER 3145...

Well, it says in ER3145 that he lied about his age to see service against the Capellan encroachment on the Concordat. Thats PROBABLY Laconis and it's nearby worlds.

In 3145 he is 56 years old. That means the events occurred around ~40 years prior. Which means... its probably right after the Victoria War, not the Capellan Crusades.

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Re: Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« Reply #3 on: 22 April 2017, 12:59:24 »
"From the 3090s to 3128, the Concordat saw a gradual loss of worlds from its sphere of influence. The Capellan Confederation preyed upon its former ally, capturing the worlds of the “Laconis Front”." (FM3145 p185)

"From 3122 to 3137, the Second Highlanders were deployed on the Capellan worlds of Brisbane, Bromhead, and Laconis. As each of these worlds was formerly a part of the Taurian Concordat, they were continually raided by forces from the TDF." (FM3145 p193)

The map on WotRE p62 shows the three worlds are still part of the TauCon after the end of the Victoria War in Jan 3105.

So from the above we can deduce that the CapCon invaded Brisbane, Bromhead, and Laconis after Jan 3105 and before 3122, making it very likely indeed that this is the CapCon aggression VhenRa points out in Kaff's fluff. There aren't any other TauCon worlds conquered by the CapCon during this time frame, nor any mention of worlds conquered, but then re-taken.

It could be argued that Kaff joined the TDF in response to the loss of the three worlds, not that he actually fought in their defense, but the wording in his fluff in ER3145 strongly implies he fought during the actual invasion.

"Kaff entered the Taurian Defense Force even before he was old enough, lying about his age in order to see service against the Capellan encroachment on Taurian space" (ER3145 p112)

Given that Kaff fought the CapCon prior to his 18th birthday, which was when his two year conscription in the TDF should have begun by TauCon law, then the date range for at least one invasion, if not all three, can be fine tuned to between Jan 3105 and sometime in 3107, depending upon which month Kaff was born.

Arguably, Kaff could have signed up due to CapCon raiding mentioned in FM3145, but the FedSuns were also raiding, so if it was just raiding that spurred him into action, then why specifically mention the CapCon? The CapCon invasion of Brisbane, Bromhead, and Laconis is a much more likely motivator.

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Re: Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« Reply #4 on: 23 April 2017, 01:49:59 »
The word, "encroachment", is interesting. It implies moving in without violence. And why "raiding" instead of counter-invasion? No mention of any battles at all for these planets, just Taurian irritation.

This is interesting too:
"The carelessness with which Protector Urratia used the TDF wore the force down to less than three regiments of active units by the time Marshal Doru removed Urratia from office. The most recent reports from the Concordat show that the TDF is just now recovering its strength to the levels seen just after the end of the Jihad.
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So the TDF poked a semi-insane Chancellor and got proportionally punished? The article also mentions the Fronc Reaches hitting them too.
What are the odds these planets rebelled against the Concordat and made a deal with the CapCon for protection?
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Re: Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« Reply #5 on: 23 April 2017, 14:54:32 »
I'd say that the odds are remote. Note the second sentence of the first quote I posted:

"The Capellan Confederation preyed upon its former ally, capturing the worlds of the “Laconis Front”." (FM3145 p185)

If we're going to get into the game of analyzing the words used, then "preyed" and "capturing" imply aggression against an unwilling target.

As for why the TDF are just raiding and not counter-invading: raiding keeps their hand in the game without provoking a response from the CCAF that they would not be able to handle.

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Re: Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« Reply #6 on: 24 April 2017, 00:57:16 »
Of course when you are talking about Daoshen Liao even simply raiding might be too much.  He just might decide to have the 3rd MAC or the Death Commandos pay them a visit.  ;)
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Re: Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« Reply #7 on: 24 April 2017, 11:24:38 »
Very true, with Daoshen in charge there's always the possibility that whistling on a Tuesday is going to earn you a regimental-scale assault drop, but a counter-invasion would change a possibility to a certainty.

The CapCon is really, really possessive about territory it owns, visited on vacation or saw on a postcard, and I've no doubt that in many Capellan minds Brisbane, Bromhead and Laconis are now Capellan! and somehow have always been Capellan, with any claims to the contrary just filthy enemy propaganda.

Amusingly for any outside observers of the CapCon/TauCon confrontation, the Taurians have kind of the same mentality, maybe a little more rational, but still very clingy about what they see as theirs. Both factions can hold a grudge to the heat death of the universe, so these three worlds have the potential of being the focus of a lot of future conflict.

It's about time that these two factions butted heads, in my opinion. They had a major conflict at the start of the Age of War that was heavily watered down in a retcon, but after that it's been too quiet.

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Re: Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« Reply #8 on: 24 April 2017, 15:20:04 »
They had a major conflict at the start of the Age of War that was heavily watered down in a retcon, but after that it's been too quiet.

That could have been a fun read.

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Re: Taurian worlds lost to the Capellans
« Reply #9 on: 24 April 2017, 15:41:07 »
That could have been a fun read.

Wish I could've done it justice in ED: Age of War, but the second edition of The Periphery threw the baby out with the bathwater in trying to "fix" the first version.
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