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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #120 on: 21 August 2017, 13:07:34 »
The damage.




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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #121 on: 21 August 2017, 13:37:09 »
The blog, CDR Salamander has a link to the Preliminary Inquiry that Carrier Strike Wing Five conducted on FITZ.

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #122 on: 21 August 2017, 14:38:38 »
The blog, CDR Salamander has a link to the Preliminary Inquiry that Carrier Strike Wing Five conducted on FITZ.
Excellent read, looks like the sailors all did an excellent job in a sudden and frankly terrifying situation.

Went on to read a few articles in the rest of the blog which caught my eye; wow, the comments threads are cancerous ::)

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« Reply #123 on: 21 August 2017, 17:35:31 »
It strikes me as a little early for the PI for the FITZGERALD to be published...

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #124 on: 21 August 2017, 18:16:50 »
Excellent read, looks like the sailors all did an excellent job in a sudden and frankly terrifying situation.

Went on to read a few articles in the rest of the blog which caught my eye; wow, the comments threads are cancerous ::)
They can be on certain subjects. I'm a regular on there...

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The general feeling seems to be along the lines of what VADM Beatty said at Jutland.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #125 on: 21 August 2017, 19:20:19 »
They can be on certain subjects. I'm a regular on there...

(Rule of cautious judgement applies here)

The general feeling seems to be along the lines of what VADM Beatty said at Jutland.

To paraphrase:

"There seems to be something wrong with our bloody destroyers lately!"

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #126 on: 21 August 2017, 19:32:08 »
@Kidd

wow, i'm surprised the ship wasn't cut in half with that sort damage.  How heck did they get the ship pulled out?
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« Reply #127 on: 22 August 2017, 03:04:55 »
got curious.. when did the US navy retire its last (non-battleship, non-carrier) warships that had fought in ww2?
it is easy to find info on carriers and of course the Iowa's soldiered on for a long time. i'm curious how long they kept using the Cruisers, destroyers and frigates.

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« Reply #128 on: 22 August 2017, 05:31:51 »
got curious.. when did the US navy retire its last (non-battleship, non-carrier) warships that had fought in ww2?
it is easy to find info on carriers and of course the Iowa's soldiered on for a long time. i'm curious how long they kept using the Cruisers, destroyers and frigates.


Other than Old Ironsides? I would guess it would be some of the transports or oilers. The other thing is that there are hulls well over 100 years old being used as things like oil jetties and pontoons in various harbours and ports - this is what happened to HMS Warrior for example.


To paraphrase:

"There seems to be something wrong with our bloody destroyers lately!"

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #129 on: 22 August 2017, 06:23:23 »
I narrowed this down to ships that were commissioned before the ned of the War in the Pacific

Heavy Cruiser: USS Columbus decommissioned on Jan 31, 1975 after conversion to a guided missile cruiser in the 1960s
Light Cruiser: USS Oklahoma City was decommissioned on Dec 15, 1979 after conversion to a guided missile cruiser in the 1960s
Destroyer: Both Allen M. Sumner and Gearing class destroyers had multiple vessels serve the USN well into the 1970s due to FRAM upgrades.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #131 on: 22 August 2017, 10:05:51 »
I narrowed this down to ships that were commissioned before the ned of the War in the Pacific

Heavy Cruiser: USS Columbus decommissioned on Jan 31, 1975 after conversion to a guided missile cruiser in the 1960s
Light Cruiser: USS Oklahoma City was decommissioned on Dec 15, 1979 after conversion to a guided missile cruiser in the 1960s
Destroyer: Both Allen M. Sumner and Gearing class destroyers had multiple vessels serve the USN well into the 1970s due to FRAM upgrades.
USS Chicago (CG-11, ex CA-136) was converted in the same fashion as Columbus (CG-12, ex CA-74), and was decommissioned following survey in 1980. Their unmodified sister St. Paul (CA-73) was decommissioned in 1971, but retained until 1980. Both Chicago and St. Paul had credible war service

The last FRAM modified destroyer, the USS William C. Lawe (DD-763) was not commissioned until 1946 due to reduction gear issues. She was decommissioned in 1983.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #132 on: 22 August 2017, 11:42:30 »
Other than Old Ironsides? I would guess it would be some of the transports or oilers. The other thing is that there are hulls well over 100 years old being used as things like oil jetties and pontoons in various harbours and ports - this is what happened to HMS Warrior for example.
Couple years ago there were still dozens of old C3/C4 transports at Suisun and James River in the reserve fleets. The last of these were as far as i know scrapped over the last five years - all that remains is ships built in the 60s for Vietnam.

USS Chicago (CG-11, ex CA-136) was converted in the same fashion as Columbus (CG-12, ex CA-74), and was decommissioned following survey in 1980.
USS Chicago remained in reserve until 1991 afterwards.

The last WW2 ship decommissioned from active service (other than carriers and battleships) was probably - and definitely the last pre-war ship decommissioned - was USS Prairie (AD-15), a destroyer tender built in 1939 and decommissioned in 1993.

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #133 on: 22 August 2017, 12:54:45 »
I honestly wonder if anything in mothballs can be reactivated...






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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #134 on: 22 August 2017, 13:02:37 »
That's the entire point of mothballs- if it couldn't be reactivated, why would you keep it around at all?

Now, it's not a matter of just running a flag up the mast and saying "Let's go!". Any ship in mothballs needs a lot of work, even if it was only recently retired. Engines need to be re-lubricated, seals need to be removed, watertight checks done, every system on board tested, upgrades to electronics and such made... it's not a fast process. You're looking at months of work, bare minimum, to get just about anything put back in service- probably more, the larger and more complex the vessel.

But, as we saw with the Iowas, it CAN be done. Note that in that case, the length of the refit was a few years each, but that also involved far more than simply recommissioning the ship as above- they got fairly extensive upgrades that involved the removal of older weapons, installation of newer ones, etc.- something like that Iwo Jima-class ship at the back in the first photo wouldn't need anything that extensive, one would think.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #135 on: 22 August 2017, 14:36:00 »
Another thing...3 of the 4 carriers in that picture have either been scrapped or are being scrapped, so ensure not coming back.

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #136 on: 22 August 2017, 17:00:36 »
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #137 on: 22 August 2017, 21:03:12 »
Some of those ships look like they need the scrapers.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #138 on: 22 August 2017, 21:10:04 »
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #139 on: 23 August 2017, 06:14:26 »
Some of those ships look like they need the scrapers.
More needs a transfer of metal.  Their more rust than steel now.  Some of them. These are old.

I'm not certain which ship this came from, but mothballs varies i guess.  I know the Wisconsin while in semi-mothballs in Norfolk did fantastic job maintaining preservation while displaying the ship in downtown Norfolk.

Here some more mothballs ships.


The Tennessee isn't in so hot shape in this photo.  I know she long gone. :-[

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #140 on: 23 August 2017, 06:32:27 »
Some will end up like this once stripped of hazardous materials.  While some would say this is a bad way to go but I don't you sink something as a target you add to the training of future sailors and potentially create a habitat for future marine life
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« Reply #141 on: 23 August 2017, 07:39:41 »
There's sometimes different levels of mothballs, to be fair. In the case of the Tennessee above, she and her sisters of the Big Five semi-class were kept in reserve through much of the 1950s, but realistically there was never any intention to ever reactivate them again- the battleship's day was done, and certainly if that was the case there was no interest in reactivating battle-scarred, three-decade-old dinosaurs in particular. Had those ships been slated to go back on active duty, it would have meant a calamity had befallen the U.S. far beyond anything imaginable at the time.

The result? Ships that are maintained, but not exactly kept in perfect shape. After all, these aren't even manned by skeleton crews- they're inspected on a rotation basis, with no one really aboard full-time, so rust and undergrowth will happen far faster- partly due to lack of a crew to maintain, partly because they aren't moving about anymore.

Note however that in comparison, the Iowas at this same point were still considered possible to reactivate (though with no concrete plans to do so- even the New Jersey's Vietnam reactivation was a sudden and ad-hoc process), and were maintained far better as a result- after all, the better condition the ship is in, the faster it can be reactivated, so some ships like these got better treatment as a result. (One can expect that was a major factor in the reactivation of the class in the 1980s- after all, if they were in wretched shape like the Tennessee up there was, why bother at all?)

One other minor factor to consider, looking at the 'modern' reserve ships earlier in the thread- color camera shots show rust and wear far better than a black and white image does, so those famous shots of reserve fleets postwar in San Diego, Suisun Bay, Philadelphia, etc. look a lot more trim and clean than those ships above- because we can't see brown rust and such as easily. I know that sounds stupid, but it really does end up being the case- looking at images of the ruins of Japanese ships postwar at Kure, a B&W shot of the carrier Amagi on its side shows a ship laying on its side bombed out- but a color shot shows the extent that a year of that condition has done in terms of rust and decay far better.
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« Reply #142 on: 23 August 2017, 12:34:24 »
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« Reply #143 on: 23 August 2017, 12:56:47 »
Some will end up like this once stripped of hazardous materials.  While some would say this is a bad way to go but I don't you sink something as a target you add to the training of future sailors and potentially create a habitat for future marine life
Being used in a SINKEX is not much worse than being broken up for scrap, and as you say, at least it contributes to the training of the next generation.

However, it's a pity the USS America (CV-65? 66? can't quite recall) went that way, if only because of the name.

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« Reply #144 on: 23 August 2017, 13:11:52 »
cool shot
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« Reply #145 on: 23 August 2017, 13:26:03 »


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« Reply #146 on: 23 August 2017, 13:43:01 »
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #147 on: 23 August 2017, 14:24:37 »
They should paint a big eye on each side of it... ^-^

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« Reply #148 on: 23 August 2017, 14:41:05 »
They should paint a big eye on each side of it... ^-^
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« Reply #149 on: 23 August 2017, 14:44:55 »
They should paint a big eye on each side of it... ^-^

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