Mars rising: The Marian Hegemony III

[Col.Hengist]

Or just downloading it all. Leave the computers so you can keep up producing.

[Adacas]

I always said it was the best option to download the blueprints and technical data from computers on the factory, always clear the possibility of false data particularly very modern things, but much technicians Marian Hegemony could identify them, I calculate that data and some techs and engineers could work, also have our own scientists, engineers and techs

[Nerroth]

There's an article posted on The Guardian's website (there is potential for NSFW language in the comments section) about a set of recently-translated textbooks dating from the 2nd-6th centuries CE, which had originally been used by Greek-speakers in the eastern half of the Roman Empire when learning some of the more... "colloquial" forms of Latin. The book featuring such translations will be published over in the UK next month.

Given the efforts at a Latin revival across Marian space in modern times, it would be interesting if these translations, or ones like them, were used to help people try and resurrect a more quotidian form of the language.

[worktroll]

Quick questions re Marian force-building. I'm looking to do a Jihad-era Cohort - battalion-equivalent. At this point I'm looking a three Maniples:

- First Maniple, 'Mechs - two centuries, one heavy, one medium - the main weight.
- Second Maniple  - one Century of light 'Mechs, one of light vehicles
- Third Maniple - the generalists, a Century of medium-heavy vees, a Century of BA

Questions:
1) Does this sound reasonable?
2) Do the MHAF mix BA in Centuries? From a mini perspective I can easily deploy 5 bases of Ravagers, just wondering if "mix and match" was an option
3) Are there any Legio who use camo schemes? Otherwise 1 Legio it'll be.

Thanks in advance,

W.

[Weirdo]

Sounds like a pretty good mix to me.

As for BA centuries, I'm really not sure. I don't think anything has been said about mixed centuries, but I also don't think anything has been said saying they don't do it...and the Hegemony is still a periphery nation, and not one of the top tier ones, either.

I don't think any of the Legions use camo for their official schemes. Maybe turn the colors of one legion or another into a funky camo?

[worktroll]

I Legio it is then ;) Black prime, blue drybrush, grey banding, very small red & white details.

[Weirdo]

Can't wait to see 'em. :)

[worktroll]

Well, just finishing RotS Standing Guard - waiting on two vees; just starter Ryuken-Ni; they might slip in after that, or behind Deneb Light Cav.

Yes, my mini backlog is of Davion Magic Warehouse proportions, but I'm working on it.

[Giovanni Blasini]

Yeah, but we ARE starting from scratch. Short of direct annexation of Niops and its knowledge base, this is the next best option at present...

Tried that... Fail.

It's also worth noting that the Niopians who had the institutional knowledge are pretty much dead by 3145, that Niops can't get their act together enough to rebuild their own Workshops, making them a pretty pointless acquisition in 3145-3150.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Niops had people with the highest IQ outside of Terra post-Star League. I would imagine smart people keep backup copies of the sum of their knowledge in the event of contingencies.

[Archangel]

Niops had people with the highest IQ outside of Terra post-Star League. I would imagine smart people keep backup copies of the sum of their knowledge in the event of contingencies.

They probably did have contingency plans but none of which prepared them for the overwhelming fury of the Blakist assault who had decades to learn from their 4SW failure.  After all they were a minor power supposedly beneath the notice of the Word of Blake and, as far as they were aware, had done nothing to earn the Blakists' ire.

[Adacas]

After passing both MHAF in 3077 and the subsequent attack WoB I imagine that most of the projects Nyops fell dramatically for the destruction of equipment, technical death and destruction and looting of warehouses

[ArkRoyalRavager]

After passing both MHAF in 3077 and the subsequent attack WoB I imagine that most of the projects Nyops fell dramatically for the destruction of equipment, technical death and destruction and looting of warehouses

They can always make a Memory Core and stash it away in a hidden location.

[snakespinner]

But you need people who are educated enough to use the info and teach others.
Are there enough left.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

There won't be a lot, but surely the Hegemony has its own intelligentsia, as with all other viable nations.

[Archangel]

They can always make a Memory Core and stash it away in a hidden location.

If they had the foresight to do that.  You are talking from the perspective of hindsight.  None of the Inner Sphere powers did that in the lead-up to the Succession Wars so why should the scientists on Niops, whose biggest threats were the Marian Hegemony and some internal issues, consider there was any need.  Their plan to deal with the Succession Wars was to disable their HPG, build military units from scratch and otherwise dig their heads in the ground and hope they would go unnoticed.  They probably didn't think they needed to do more than maintain copies at the various work shops under the assumption that at least one (probably more) would survive a heavy attack.  Not to mention that for security reasons one would need to limit the knowledge of such a plan to a handful of scientists and all could very easily have been killed in the Blakist attack.  Even the vaunted NAIS likely didn't create copies of their memory core until after the Blakist assault on the NAIS campus.

[Col.Hengist]

They might have but comstar deliberately set about to destroy all of that knowledge and kill scientists and engineers who knew anything about it.

[Adacas]

I guess something can be, but as Arcangel says there are too many variables, if they knew where it was stored knowledge are in the same situation, apart must think first had their mini civil war, then spent the MHAF and then pulling step WoB nukes, lacking only Roman general Scipio or another for plowing and salting.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

They might have but comstar deliberately set about to destroy all of that knowledge and kill scientists and engineers who knew anything about it.

I guess something can be, but as Arcangel says there are too many variables, if they knew where it was stored knowledge are in the same situation, apart must think first had their mini civil war, then spent the MHAF and then pulling step WoB nukes, lacking only Roman general Scipio or another for plowing and salting.

Well they, like ComStar and the Clans, are the only factions to have truly inherited the Terran tech base, and build from there, instead of everyone else which had to start from zero or 0.5.

They are also a technocracy, and so like other factions with tech fetishes(WoB) they would have reams of data sitting somewhere with superhard encryption, remembering to make a memory core or two. It was mentioned in FM:U that they had centuries of civilian scientific data, so that definitely means they have some kind of server farm/memory core to store all that.

[Adacas]

Well they, like ComStar and the Clans, are the only factions to have truly inherited the Terran tech base, and build from there, instead of everyone else which had to start from zero or 0.5.

They are also a technocracy, and so like other factions with tech fetishes(WoB) they would have reams of data sitting somewhere with superhard encryption, remembering to make a memory core or two. It was mentioned in FM:U that they had centuries of civilian scientific data, so that definitely means they have some kind of server farm/memory core to store all that.

But remember Periphery FM 3067 Update is step too Nyops until 3145, civil war, invasion and sacking of more Nukes MHAF and Invasion of WOB, may have lost too much material only for attacks / capture personnel and destruction of stocks or databases, some somewhat become but the staff knew where dead until I read what FM 3145 Nyops apparently are not building anything or maybe some basic things but not care about Mechs local factories

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Having a memory core hidden somewhere doesn't mean Niops still has the capability to use it and rebuild if their intelligentsia has been wiped out during the Jihad.

[Adacas]

Having a memory core hidden somewhere doesn't mean Niops still has the capability to use it and rebuild if their intelligentsia has been wiped out during the Jihad.

That's another point if the memory core lacks people who can interpret and bring improvements or models to build a good end of it had better negotiate with any neighboring state and into good terms this

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Which is where the Hegemony steps in and offers aid.

[Adacas]

The Marian Hegemony could offer help, I think it sells mechs do not know if anything more, I always said you could ask habitable data systems in exchange for some help in construction of factories is not an idea

[ArkRoyalRavager]

More like providing aid in exchange for that information/personnel that can uplift Marian society.

[Adacas]

Not if they can raise both the Society Marian Hegemony, in social terms the Hegemony is much more stable than Nyops in scientific terms can improve some things in certain areas, and as we know too the technological level of the Marian Hegemony in 3145 we know it has several factories mechs, tanks, and Battlearmor Aero Fighters so you can not exactly improve hegemonic society, perhaps as I said in astronomical research or communications technology (if any of those survived)

[Archangel]

Well they, like ComStar and the Clans, are the only factions to have truly inherited the Terran tech base, and build from there, instead of everyone else which had to start from zero or 0.5.

They are also a technocracy, and so like other factions with tech fetishes(WoB) they would have reams of data sitting somewhere with superhard encryption, remembering to make a memory core or two. It was mentioned in FM:U that they had centuries of civilian scientific data, so that definitely means they have some kind of server farm/memory core to store all that.

They may be a technocracy but they are a highly focused technocracy.  Their primary focus has always been astronomy with everything else coming in a distant second.  Their research gave them a purpose.  Just look at their military-industrial production.  After over two centuries they were still building BattleMechs by hand.  Not to mention their egos and the misplaced priorities that comes from being intellectuals.   :D  It wasn't until the non-intellectuals started acting violently that they realized that they might actually want some power to govern themselves.  As long as some copies had been made it would have been easy for them to set aside other potential concerns so that they could return their focus to their research.

They would have been extremely resistant to allowing the Marian Hegemony in, even more than giving up some powers to their lower classes.

[Adacas]

They may be a technocracy but they are a highly focused technocracy.  Their primary focus has always been astronomy with everything else coming in a distant second.  Their research gave them a purpose.  Just look at their military-industrial production.  After over two centuries they were still building BattleMechs by hand.  Not to mention their egos and the misplaced priorities that comes from being intellectuals.   :D  It wasn't until the non-intellectuals started acting violently that they realized that they might actually want some power to govern themselves.  As long as some copies had been made it would have been easy for them to set aside other potential concerns so that they could return their focus to their research.

They would have been extremely resistant to allowing the Marian Hegemony in, even more than giving up some powers to their lower classes.

Therefore, in 3145 to Nyops would suit if you want to trade the astronomical data that interest the Marian Hegemony in exchange for a factory or a few lines d emontaje to give them some autonomy, because arming hand, suffer wear and downs as any other, and sooner or later those who arm hand may die or worse migrate in search of new horizons

[jimdigris]

It's not clear to me that the Hegemony has that much to offer to Niops in terms of technical support.  Bear in mind that their military factories produce a great deal of retrotech, and they were the national priority.

[Kit deSummersville]

You will be strategically short of togas unless you work more closely with the Hegemony.