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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #270 on: 21 January 2018, 22:30:44 »
Sorry, I hate this arguement. Kickstarter isn't an investment, you don't get any ownership.  The only thing it can possibly be is a pre-order service. The problem is that it's a very risky one.  But that is what it is, unless you want to call it a charity...

It’s a pledge. But it acts like an investment in which the returns on investment are your personal enjoyment.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #271 on: 21 January 2018, 22:45:17 »
I'll admit, I backed the game primarily to get the bomber jacket.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #272 on: 21 January 2018, 23:55:13 »
It’s a pledge. But it acts like an investment in which the returns on investment are your personal enjoyment.
No it's not an investment, but it's not a pre-order either. It's crowdfunding, which is sort of the middle ground between the two (all the risks of investment without the ownership). It's a gamble and a risk, you are buying in early on the word of the KS creator that they will be able to deliver what they promised, when they promised it. That is inherently different than pre-ordering, which is at most reserving a copy of something to get it at the earliest possible time.
One view is a legal truth (not a pre-order) and I'm not denying that's the actual truth.  But it's not how kickstarters sell themselves.
Kickstarters sell themsevles are pre-orders.  You spend several pages and fancy videos selling what awesome rewards backers are going to get, followed by a paragraph at the end with "or maybe you get nothing and we took your money".  The fine print isn't what's being sold.   Saying it's not a pre-order is too much like victim blaming IMO.  That's why I object to it.  As a warning to somebody thinking about backing a project, yes. Please warn them.  As a response to somebody complaining about a failed kickstarter, I think you are letting kickstarter off the hook far too easily.

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #273 on: 22 January 2018, 00:13:18 »
Eh. Hype and snake oil are as old as human civilization. I don’t blame software developers from using every trick they have to get funded. I also don’t. Blame Kickstarter all that much. They’ll usually shut down outright fraudsters and make the occasional change when something becomes egregious. But I regard their service as a net human good when I take into account artists and tinkers finding their way to an audience or community.

I guess I’m mostly sanguine about this whole thing in a caveat emptor way. I can caution people to be careful. I can give advice for avoiding hucksters. I can educate people on the economic realities of game design, even the near desperation and over promising starving-artist developers will use to get a project funded. But not much past that. I mean, I know what Bitcoin is (beanie babies with math that has a useful purpose for a very small subgroup) and I can’t stop people from being idiots about it.

It’s just prudence and caution. It’s about governing yourself and arming yourself against emotional decision making, or at least recognizing when you’re engaged in hype. These are virtues worth learning, but I can’t force them on people.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #274 on: 25 January 2018, 16:13:11 »
I mean, I know what Bitcoin is (beanie babies with math that has a useful purpose for a very small subgroup) and I can’t stop people from being idiots about it.

Then you are lot smarter than me, as I still have ZERO clue as to what Bitcoin or any other crypto currency is.
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« Reply #275 on: 25 January 2018, 16:33:06 »
Then you are lot smarter than me, as I still have ZERO clue as to what Bitcoin or any other crypto currency is.

A really good primer: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/how-bitcoin-works/
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #276 on: 21 February 2018, 16:05:32 »
No official release date yet... but game might be coming out in April 2018.

https://community.battletechgame.com/forums/threads/11055

Somebody at HBS or Paradox accidentally enabled pre-orders on Stream for a Steam Exclusive Shadow Hawk pack (exclusive skin and wallpaper) and also listed a April 2018 release date. All removed now, but people have screenshots...





Mitch at HBS has its an oops and pre-orders were not meant to drop until later in the month. He hasn't confirmed the release date, but has confirmed that pre-existing Recruit level and above backers will also get the Shadow Hawk stuff free of charge too.



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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #277 on: 21 February 2018, 16:15:51 »
Haha, oops!

That is a cool looking scheme though.

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #278 on: 21 February 2018, 17:27:56 »
I hope kickstarter backers count as preordering.  Or is this something we were getting anyway?  Been so long I can't remember what all I'm getting.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #279 on: 21 February 2018, 17:34:00 »
Per this comment: https://community.battletechgame.com/forums/threads/11055/comments/216968

backers at "recruit" or higher level will be getting the Shadow Hawk skin.

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« Reply #280 on: 21 February 2018, 17:36:06 »
Per this comment: https://community.battletechgame.com/forums/threads/11055/comments/216968

backers at "recruit" or higher level will be getting the Shadow Hawk skin.
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EDIT:  hah! it was mentioned in Cyc's post too.   [face palm] Sorry, long day at work.   #P
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #281 on: 21 February 2018, 21:35:21 »
I pray i get mine. I went in at the 35 dollar rate coming Humble. I'm worried i won't get mine.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #282 on: 22 February 2018, 08:59:57 »
I pray i get mine. I went in at the 35 dollar rate coming Humble. I'm worried i won't get mine.

Recruit on the Kickstarter was $25US so you seem to have exceeded that. There hasn't been any mention about any restrictions on if it will be Steam keys only for gifting to existing owners, the only additional info has been Mitch at HBS confirming those missed the Kickstarter but contributed via Backerkit will receive it too - https://community.battletechgame.com/forums/threads/11055/comments/217218

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #283 on: 27 February 2018, 15:14:16 »
The next volume of the ebook dropped in BackerKit today. As well as a code to access the new forums.

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #284 on: 27 February 2018, 16:13:30 »
Yep - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/2123741?ref=backer_project_update Backer Update #48

Leak wasn't that early - April Release confirmed and game is available for pre-order at Steam, Good Old Games and the Paradox store

http://store.steampowered.com/app/637090/BATTLETECH/

https://www.gog.com/game/battletech

https://www.paradoxplaza.com/battletech/BTBT01GSK-MASTER.html?utm_source=forum&utm_medium=social&utm_content=banner&utm_campaign=batt_bt_forum-banner_all_2018227_pre

price seems to be $39.95USD for standard and $49.95 for the digital deluxe version - The Shadow Hawk Exclusive also appears for pre-orders at GOG, so looks to be a standard pre-order offering not Steam exclusive after all. Again if you've backed the Kickstarter at Recruit level you get this already.

Of course with release soon, HBS is asking you to spam your socials - they have a new pre-orders are live trailer and are offering high-rez wallpapers of the store art

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Paradox Forums also give you badges for owning games and earning in game achievements, the old exclusive icons have been migrated over, as YingJanshi mentioned the codes to enable are on Backerkit along with a 10% off the Paradox store voucher as a welcome gift.


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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #285 on: 27 February 2018, 16:51:24 »
Huh. Did not know they were moving forums.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #286 on: 27 February 2018, 17:04:47 »
Huh. Did not know they were moving forums.

As Cyc said, the Paradox forums are very clunky. Kind of 50/50: some cool features, some annoyances. One of the biggest of which is that inputting codes can not work even when it said they did. So some people (me included) can't access the avatars yet. (Also, their forums don't allow custom avatars.)

I do wonder why they decided they had to move.

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« Reply #287 on: 27 February 2018, 17:10:55 »
As Cyc said, the Paradox forums are very clunky. Kind of 50/50: some cool features, some annoyances. One of the biggest of which is that inputting codes can not work even when it said they did. So some people (me included) can't access the avatars yet. (Also, their forums don't allow custom avatars.)

I do wonder why they decided they had to move.
Most likely to save the cost of community manager hours. And by extension a cash flow measure for a small studio in the Puget Sound area (and I couldn't possibly speculate further than that).
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« Reply #288 on: 27 February 2018, 17:18:07 »
Most likely to save the cost of community manager hours. And by extension a cash flow measure for a small studio in the Puget Sound area (and I couldn't possibly speculate further than that).

There was at least one post on their forums taking about why. Apparently keeping their forums working was much more difficult that the users see. And they’re expecting a lot more traffic once the game launches and are barely keeping up with moderating as is.
Ie. They needed help.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #289 on: 27 February 2018, 17:26:57 »
As Cyc said, the Paradox forums are very clunky. Kind of 50/50: some cool features, some annoyances. One of the biggest of which is that inputting codes can not work even when it said they did. So some people (me included) can't access the avatars yet. (Also, their forums don't allow custom avatars.)

I do wonder why they decided they had to move.

Actually, yes their forums DO cover custom Avatars ;)

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #290 on: 27 February 2018, 17:46:25 »
Actually, yes their forums DO cover custom Avatars ;)

I Had the Walking Marauder Avatar from a while back and got this message from a Mod when the Whole ugly HG issue came up:

So I switched to a LEGO DRAGON:

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The old HBS forum did. The Paradox Interactive forums do not (and a lot of people migrating over are rather upset about it).


(The post you quote, I was specifically talking about Paradox's forums.)

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« Reply #291 on: 27 February 2018, 18:13:20 »
The old HBS forum did. The Paradox Interactive forums do not (and a lot of people migrating over are rather upset about it).


(The post you quote, I was specifically talking about Paradox's forums.)

I misread then. I thought you had implied the old forums had issues and the new ones did not, not the reverse.

Again, my apologies.
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« Reply #292 on: 27 February 2018, 19:48:39 »
Already not a fan of their forums.   First, I thought I already had an account with them but I couldn't remember the password.  Tried the retrieval option, but never got a response.  Tried creating an account with the same e-mail address and it let me so apparently I didn't have the account already.  Or maybe I did because now I'm not getting the verification e-mail or even an option for a user name on the new account.

EDIT:  And i'm in.  Still, not a great first impression.
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« Reply #293 on: 27 February 2018, 20:47:38 »
Wow, what dumpy forums they have.  It feels like it's after thought to put them there. I guess running forums was too much for them.
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« Reply #294 on: 27 February 2018, 21:19:36 »
Found the battletech avatars, but weren't there supposed to be some Valhalla ones?
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« Reply #295 on: 27 February 2018, 21:39:01 »
Found the battletech avatars, but weren't there supposed to be some Valhalla ones?

YOu have to go to www.backerkit.com and under the digital rewards for your pledge level will be a code for PDX Valhalla or something like that.  Copy that code.
Go to the Paradox Forums and log in. Click on your username (upper right of forums) and select the Redeem tab and paste your code into the Redeem Code box.
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« Reply #296 on: 27 February 2018, 21:56:57 »
Did that.  I see faction avatars and a couple atlas heads.  Is that all we're supposed to get?

EDIT: To be more specific, there's 9 options under" BATTLETECH - Initiate of the Order"
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #297 on: 27 February 2018, 22:03:53 »
Did that.  I see faction avatars and a couple atlas heads.  Is that all we're supposed to get?

EDIT: To be more specific, there's 9 options under" BATTLETECH - Initiate of the Order"

Yep. The five House, what looks like Canopus and the three Atlas heads. Maybe get more in the future?
(To be honest I was hoping to see more like they did on the old forum: one for backers of different levels, beta testers...so on...)

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #298 on: 28 February 2018, 01:34:03 »
Devs have already said many more are coming, but they don't know when.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #299 on: 28 February 2018, 06:54:05 »
Not sound bad about Harebrain, but i kinda felt weird being on forum for a pc game. It's because i didn't think it would be self-staining for the maker itself and it was most likely going disappear after couple of years.

What does Paradox have anything to do with HBS? Do they publish games are they holding coming? They going distribute the game itself?
Personally i get bad vibe from the place.
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