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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #30 on: 20 May 2013, 19:52:47 »
Sorry if I seem rude, but can someone explain the distaste for jumper's so I can at least see someone else's point of view.


Some people consider it overdone (too many times), others don't like them because they are not really usable on the gaming table and more for painting and looking awesome.

Then again, if they really sell as well as the past suggests, those people are clearly in the minority.
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #31 on: 20 May 2013, 20:00:21 »
Word, I guess that's why they are considered the vocal minority. I guess I just consider jumping LE's rather organic for reason's stated earlier. On a side not I know some of these guys in real life and some people have to realize That this is hobby and 2nd job to most and a little more respect should be given for what they do.

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #32 on: 20 May 2013, 20:15:52 »
The jumpers are perceived by some as not useful for tabletop play, as they're large, exceed a hexbase, complicate rules based on physical line of site to minis & terrain, and/or are awkward to assemble (pick some from column A, some from column B). Others consider the variants chosen to be too specific or unique, again mainly coming from the tabletop game. Lastly, others object to the limited availability of the minis - initially only at conventions attended by IWM or their agents, before becoming online available a year or so later.

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #33 on: 20 May 2013, 20:42:51 »
Again, I don't have any problem with them, but I don't see why anyone would consider gaming with one of them either.   :-\  If you're going to complain about the "LOS Issue" from using them, DON'T game with them.  It's not like that's your ONLY sculpt of that mini available.  ::)  I'm not a painter myself, but I enjoy seeing some of the Artwork people post on various BT sites, that they've done with the various jumping minis.   O0
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #34 on: 20 May 2013, 20:56:17 »
For me, it's one of those 'been there, done that' things. They've done it every year for the past few years, and I'm ready to do something fresh. The Jade Hawk was a no-brainer for me (I'm a Jade Falcon player, did you know?), but... to be honest, it's sat half-finished on my shelf for several years now. The Hatchetman was at least short enough that I can use it at a gaming table without it falling over all the time (even then, I have two other Hatchetman miniatures to use instead), but the Thunderbolt was the same problem as the Jade Hawk- too tall, no real use at the table. I never picked up the Rifleman, Rifleman IIC, and only did last year's Atlas as a commission piece for GhostBear (who politely didn't laugh at my shoddy work!).

I'd love to see something new and in a new direction- I think I can speak for the majority when I say that the Catapult from 2007 (was it '07?) was an awesome piece of work, one that is still sought by many to work on and which I've now done four of (one of each flavor for my own collection, one of each flavor for Slade and his son) and would love to do more of. The 28mm Hauberk looked like a great piece as well (haven't picked one up, sadly), and I'd love to see more of that done. Someone mentioned the Salamander- how great would THAT look in 28mm? Or the Fenrir? Again, not really useful for the table, but something new at least.

Lest anyone take that wrong, that's not me hating on IWM, sculptors, etc., and shouldn't be taken as a Catalyst minion talking bad about them at all- rather, as a fan who has just burned out on the jumping Mech idea, and would like to see new ideas rather than seeing what else can be put on a jump stand.

...Unless it's an Urbanmech. Again, I'd buy the hell out of that, mostly so I can photograph every mini I paint from now on with an Urbie doing a DFA on it. ;)
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #35 on: 20 May 2013, 22:23:30 »

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #37 on: 20 May 2013, 23:07:04 »
Someone said jumping urbanmech. Now if it were accompanied my a re-vamped/re-imagined sculpt I would be all over that.

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #38 on: 20 May 2013, 23:29:57 »
Ascetically they are unpleasing to look at.  This is not to say they are bad sculpts, but there is only so much that you can do to make a jumping brick look cool.  The best way I can describe it is being on the stage hand side of a Peter Pan musical watching flight, it is unspectacular.

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #39 on: 20 May 2013, 23:33:18 »
Let it be a crossover year.  A jumping LAM.  That goes from superheavy Mech...to Leviathan.


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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #40 on: 20 May 2013, 23:48:32 »

OK, I actually only meant that for those that don't like the Jumpers. I don't mind them myself, but I know there's a lot of people that are sick of them, and I've also heard that this year's LE/CE mini Will Be another Jumper.   "Because they Sell."
It could be they sell because they are Con Exclusives. Rarity brings out buyers. Aesthetic appeal is not the only inducemet to buy, perhaps not even the major one
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #41 on: 20 May 2013, 23:54:34 »
Let it be a crossover year.  A jumping LAM.  That goes from superheavy Mech...to Leviathan.

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #42 on: 21 May 2013, 00:03:44 »
Yeah...pretty much, the reason I am not fond of the jumping minis is the "OK..so..um..how about doing something
different now?" aspect of it. They never did a Jumping Catapult K2, which is a Con Exclusive. Why can't they do
stuff like that? Variants that are noticeably different that people have to kit-bash normally to do?
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #43 on: 21 May 2013, 00:15:13 »
Jumping mechs are overdone, do a jumping Kanga instead!
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #44 on: 21 May 2013, 00:39:21 »
Yeah...pretty much, the reason I am not fond of the jumping minis is the "OK..so..um..how about doing something
different now?" aspect of it. They never did a Jumping Catapult K2, which is a Con Exclusive. Why can't they do
stuff like that? Variants that are noticeably different that people have to kit-bash normally to do?

Purely my personal POV, but the Con Exclusive pieces are not aimed at the tabletop gamers at all. They're meant to be displays of IWM's technical proficiency, and to offer something the highly skilled painters can show their best on. In other words, they're semi-promotional.

Look at Reaper; they do their "Sophie" succubus each year in a new costume. Totally irrelevant to any game, but they're keenly collected by painters & collectors.

Then look at a Whitworth, or a Vindicator - even though I love the old Badger of Tikonov, it's nothing to compete detail-wise with a fantasy, or even a W40K, figure. Yes, the Jade Hawk & some of the new designs are flashier, but they're less detail-rich - no textures, no fabrics, no flesh tones, none of the usual things the painters can go to town on.

(Which makes the appearance of BT minis in the winners of con painting contests each year an amazing testament to the skills of the painters who still love their mechs!

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #45 on: 21 May 2013, 02:07:34 »
Whether you like the jumping sculpts or not, I would encourage you to stay tuned.  8)

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #46 on: 21 May 2013, 04:48:23 »
Didn't they do the omega as a con exclusive, that was different and people still complained.

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #47 on: 21 May 2013, 05:16:24 »
Didn't they do the omega as a con exclusive, that was different and people still complained.
True, but they dared have a jumper as well ... ;)

I agree with worktroll here - the jumpers are not necessarily aimed at the gamers and I for one like that something is done for the collectors and painters. Besides posing the jumpers is a breeze, whether it is an action pose in-flight or a non-jumping pose.

Reaper has their Sophie, IWM has the jumpers. Even though the theme is not 100% mine I like that they stick to it. And I don't think it would be fair to say they don't listen to the fans. Sure there was a jumper last year, but also the Omega, the Hauberk, the pre-releases ...

To echo Dak ... stay tuned!

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #48 on: 21 May 2013, 08:39:36 »
Of the jumpers released so far, my favorite has to be the Hatchetman. The tall, thin jump plumes don't always look quite right to me, but the Hatchetman just has attitude, enhanced by the jumping pose.


Of course, I'm still waiting for my jumping Highlander. Maybe it'll be this year.  8)

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« Reply #49 on: 21 May 2013, 11:36:05 »
Didn't they do the omega as a con exclusive, that was different and people still complained.

Oh. Yeah, I forgot about that being a Con exclusive for a while as well. Sorry!

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #50 on: 21 May 2013, 12:06:55 »
I'm disappointed by the fact IWM does not attend any of the West coast conventions.  But then again gaming cons here tend to be much smaller affairs than what IWM would probably consider going to.

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« Reply #51 on: 21 May 2013, 13:11:49 »
Didn't they do the omega as a con exclusive, that was different and people still complained.


Considering the Omega was available as an Online Exclusive by Christmas, can it Really be called a "Con Exclusive" ?   ???   Seems to me more like it simply "Debuted" at the Cons more than anything else.  I'm still considering buying one and commissioning a certain painter to make me a "Hello Omega Kitty!"  >:D    I LOVE my Hello Kitty Thunderbolt IIC, even if I'm less than satisfied with the mini itself.  :D
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #52 on: 21 May 2013, 13:24:03 »

Considering the Omega was available as an Online Exclusive by Christmas, can it Really be called a "Con Exclusive" ?   ???   Seems to me more like it simply "Debuted" at the Cons more than anything else.  I'm still considering buying one and commissioning a certain painter to make me a "Hello Omega Kitty!"  >:D    I LOVE my Hello Kitty Thunderbolt IIC, even if I'm less than satisfied with the mini itself.  :D

The GenCon Omega's were cast off the original master mold, so they're a bit larger than the production mold minis
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #53 on: 21 May 2013, 13:40:59 »
The GenCon Omega's were cast off the original master mold, so they're a bit larger than the production mold minis

Even larger? My production version is already a big monster.

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« Reply #54 on: 21 May 2013, 15:55:26 »
Just putting this out there.  I think that many of the anit-jumping crowd could be appeased if it were able to pose the mini without the jump jet exhaust pieces.  That way it could be either a really cool jumping mini or a really cool standing mini.  I don't know if this would be practical; but I would much rather provide a possible solution as opposed to crapping in IWM's backyard like a drunken alley cat.

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #55 on: 21 May 2013, 16:44:20 »
It's a jumping Leviathan II?
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #56 on: 21 May 2013, 17:17:07 »
I like the jumpers, have most/all but I would love to see a few exotic or extreme variants in place of the jumpers.
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #57 on: 21 May 2013, 17:20:27 »
Given the note in the recent BattleChat about the "Fall of Terra" event needing IWM minis for the appropriate TRO:3145 units before they can be added in, I would hope for the likes of the Colossi, the Warwolf, or any other Clan or Republic units one might expect to see in such a battle show up.

Perhaps one of the mysterious QuadVees? (But then, only the Horses seem interested in experimenting with those, and they would be in no hurry to fight alongside Alaric.)

But then, it's not like I'd be able to make it to GenCon myself, so the opinion of someone who would actually be in a postion to go might carry more weight at this point.
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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #58 on: 21 May 2013, 18:51:51 »
Just putting this out there.  I think that many of the anit-jumping crowd could be appeased if it were able to pose the mini without the jump jet exhaust pieces.  That way it could be either a really cool jumping mini or a really cool standing mini.  I don't know if this would be practical; but I would much rather provide a possible solution as opposed to crapping in IWM's backyard like a drunken alley cat.

Of course that is just my opinion, the statistics I've developed over my lifetime indicate that I probably got it wrong.

The Rifleman, Rifleman IIC, and Atlas could quite easily be posed without the jump plumes. T-Bolt too (see the -10M variant). The Atlas even comes with the regular back, so if you don't want the jump pack, or want to use it with something else, it's still all good.

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Re: 2013 Gencon exclusive
« Reply #59 on: 21 May 2013, 22:46:20 »
Jumping mechs are overdone, do a jumping Kanga instead!


That would be cool

 

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