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Any News on the Vakyrie?
« on: 06 May 2017, 13:21:24 »
So Phoenixstrom asked last time so I figure I would ask about the Valkyrie this time? Any news on the progress?
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #1 on: 06 May 2017, 23:11:35 »
Release was delayed. Any rationale for it is beyond my pay grade.

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #2 on: 07 May 2017, 02:49:45 »
Bummer, but we still have over a month till the end of the quarter.

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #3 on: 07 May 2017, 09:34:17 »
Strangely, my FLGS has it listed as "sold out" without a back order option. All of the other Q2 and Q3 releases are still categorized as preorders

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #4 on: 08 May 2017, 11:50:34 »
Release was delayed. Any rationale for it is beyond my pay grade.
Well Darn hopefully the delay will lead to something good!  ;)
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #5 on: 22 May 2017, 14:09:41 »
The fact that the Wasp has been pulled along with artwork is a bad omen for future releases of classics.  I hope CGL didn't invest a ton of resources into a box set of plastic minis that are now unable to be released.  CGL should've allowed IWM to produce minis earlier...

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« Reply #6 on: 22 May 2017, 15:14:06 »
The fact that the Wasp has been pulled along with artwork

Can we not elevate to DEFCON-1 just yet? The artwork has not been pulled from the MUL (the Marauder is still there, for instance, and NKestrel in another thread has explicitly confirmed that no pull order has come from CGL requesting the artwork be taken off -- the reason that the Wasp and others haven't been added yet according to the thread is it isn't as highly prioritized as other work on the site) and it looks like the other Classics that IWM has been authorized to sell (the Ostscout and Shadow Hawk) are still available for sale on the IWM site. This *may* be indicative of HG pouncing on the VF-1-derived 'mechs, but it could be something as simple as a contract SNAFU between CGL, Topps and IWM putting the releases on hold for the moment.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #7 on: 22 May 2017, 15:32:54 »
I'm not clamoring for DEFCON 5, just pointing out an alarming connection with the Wasp and expressing my frustration with CGL's lack of transparency and decisions not to let IWM produce the miniatures despite major interest....

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #8 on: 22 May 2017, 15:38:13 »
Can we not elevate to DEFCON-1 just yet?

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #9 on: 22 May 2017, 17:18:40 »
I stopped by IWM late last week to pick up an order, which included a new Wasp. Their place was not being picked over by evil HG flying lawyer-monkeys, and Office Wench's hair was not on fire. I figure that means whatever is going on isn't as dire as you might imagine. More likely it is some sort of run-of-the-mill production snafu. Maybe one of the molds tore out unexpectedly, or maybe they sold out of the stock they had and don't have the time in the production schedule to crank a bunch more out at the moment. Or maybe Speck jumped the gun, and there was supposed to be another week or two of distributor-only sales?

Just calm down a little bit. I agree it's annoying to have to wait so long for the lovely new art to appear in mini form, and for the Wasp to get pulled at the moment, but I wouldn't break out the tinfoil underpants just yet...I like to save those for special occasions.

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #10 on: 22 May 2017, 17:41:18 »
It's possible that the demand for the Wasp dramatically outstripped supply and they needed time to catch up.

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« Reply #11 on: 22 May 2017, 18:07:02 »
It's possible that the demand for the Wasp dramatically outstripped supply and they needed time to catch up.

If so, this would be the first time in 15 years that I can recall such a thing happening.   That would be welcome news indeed!

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #12 on: 22 May 2017, 18:48:47 »
Now that I've seen the new Wasp, I certainly want to order more.  The weapon sprue appears to have optional loadouts for the 1K and 1D along with the 1A - nifty!  (and I'm confident the new Valk will be just as nice).

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #13 on: 23 May 2017, 01:26:36 »
I already got 4 Wasps, was hoping for at least 2 Valkyries, another 2-4 Shadow Hawks, 2 Ostscouts, and another 4 Wasps over the next couple months but...  Might need to hurry up on that Wasp order.

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« Reply #14 on: 23 May 2017, 04:55:14 »
A few things.... Being that the Marauder is still on the MUL as well as the cover of CO, I do think the Wasp and Valkyrie are victims of a tragic farming accident. But.. for all you conspiracy theorists...

Worst Case - HG decided that the Wasp and Valkyrie still look too much like their RT counterparts. If this IS the case then the artwork for both should also have been removed from the PDF/Print copies of the books they have been seen in. While the Wasp image isn't on the MUL that does not indicate anything. Removal of classic art from the released books is where the proof will be. As the Catalyst store does not have my BC orders containing 1st SW, CM:Mercs, or nearly anything else from last year I cannot download a new copy of any of those books. Someone will need to download a new copy to verify.

Next Worst Case - Tragic farming accident. Somewhere in the production room someone slipped on a banana peel and broke both molds. Some type of production accident is most likely unless the best case comes up (below).

Next Next Worse case OR Worst Worst case (your call) - The wonderful staff and IWM all suddenly got sick/fired/won some vacation/quit/died/(insert some other snafu here). This may also be likely, at least in the case of the staff all getting sick (passing the flu back and forth or some such).

Middle Case - Likely, but kinda dumb. Production holdups. Huge orders came in for other minis so most everything else is on hold for awhile.

Best Case (Wasp) - Someone got a wild hair up their rump and decided to redo the mold so the Wasp (and hence the Valkyrie and Stinger) wont look so beefy and more closely match the new art.

Best Best Case - Someone got a wild hair up their rump and decided to redo the mold to include a second SRM pack so that they can include the 1L variant in the pack. This became a higher priority than pushing the Valkyrie.

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« Reply #15 on: 23 May 2017, 06:43:10 »
Best Best Best Case Scenario - IWM have been given "weapons free" status on all the new Classic battlemechs designs. IWM are frantically running the mold and the production rooms 24/7 trying to stockpile enough Classic Warhammers, Classic Marauders, Classic Thunderbolts, Classic Rifleman, Classic Wolverines and Classic Valkyries to meet the anticipated demand at Gencon. There are no production slots available to produce extra Classic Wasps to meet the demand so IWM have reserved all stocks of the Classic Wasp-1A for BV Traders to sell at the IWM Origins and Gencon booths. So the Classic Wasp has been quietly removed from the IWM webstore as a result  ^-^

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #16 on: 23 May 2017, 07:47:39 »
There could be some truth to that, at least for the Wasp and Valkyrie. Or perhaps the other Q2 releases as they might have been lagging behind on the production schedule and needed a higher production time.

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« Reply #17 on: 23 May 2017, 08:13:47 »
Next Worst Case - Tragic farming accident. Somewhere in the production room someone slipped on a banana peel and broke both molds. Some type of production accident is most likely unless the best case comes up (below).

Impossible, given that the Valkyrie hasn't been molded yet.

Best Case (Wasp) - Someone got a wild hair up their rump and decided to redo the mold so the Wasp (and hence the Valkyrie and Stinger) wont look so beefy and more closely match the new art.

Pressing a master to try to reduce the size of the final mini has proven to be a bad idea. Changing the Wasp would have no effect on the Stinger and Valkyrie.

Best Best Case - Someone got a wild hair up their rump and decided to redo the mold to include a second SRM pack so that they can include the 1L variant in the pack. This became a higher priority than pushing the Valkyrie.

Releasing a new mini will always take priority over increasing the production costs of an already released mini. Having extra variants is great - that's why they're in there to begin with - but for a fourth variant, making the weapon sprue available for purchase separately would be the logical route.

Just trying to keep discussion close to reality. No point getting lost or worked up over speculation. I know this is the internet, and someone will go way too far anyway, but at least I've tried.  :)

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« Reply #18 on: 23 May 2017, 17:28:38 »
Worst Case - HG decided that the Wasp and Valkyrie still look too much like their RT counterparts. If this IS the case then the artwork for both should also have been removed from the PDF/Print copies of the books they have been seen in. While the Wasp image isn't on the MUL that does not indicate anything. Removal of classic art from the released books is where the proof will be. As the Catalyst store does not have my BC orders containing 1st SW, CM:Mercs, or nearly anything else from last year I cannot download a new copy of any of those books. Someone will need to download a new copy to verify.

I highly doubt it, as that would have affected the production schedule of 2SW, forcing a delay or outright shelving as they'd have to scramble to redo a lot of the artwork, including the cover.

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« Reply #19 on: 23 May 2017, 19:33:04 »
Unless 2SW contains the P Hawk or Stinger I see no reason why it would get held up. I don't recall either the Wasp or Valkyrie on the cover of 2SW when they showed both of them off. The Marauder and Warhammer have the same profile as the RT mecha but has a completely different look. The Archer as well, though I don't remember if they showed off the P Hawk or not which leaves the Rifleman and Longbow as well as the Stinger and Crusader.

As I said though, the proof would be in the current 1SW PDF. It would take no more than 30 minutes to remove the Wasp/Valkyrie art from said book. There is no reason these two would hold up any of the other images or any future books.

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« Reply #20 on: 24 May 2017, 14:18:43 »
For the already released Wasp, production issues seem most likely, although I suppose something more nefarious is possible.

For the Valkyrie... I don't know. Anything is possible, but having IWM Battletech releases slip from one quarter to the next is not uncommon.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #21 on: 24 May 2017, 23:50:31 »
Miniatures don't get pulled from the store, even when stock is out.  This has got to be some kind of IP thing. 

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« Reply #22 on: 25 May 2017, 00:05:59 »
Or something else entirely, that we are not privy to since we are not actually employees of IWM or CGL.

I know jumping to conclusions is this forum's stock in trade, but that doesn't mean it's called for here.
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« Reply #23 on: 25 May 2017, 01:14:41 »
good thing I came here to actually find out what is going on than listening to all the whining and bitching from the battletech international group on facebook. God those guys just say everything about CGL and IWM in a negative way that they should just stick to MWO and not play the board game itself

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« Reply #24 on: 25 May 2017, 02:04:28 »
good thing I came here to actually find out what is going on than listening to all the whining and bitching from the battletech international group on facebook. God those guys just say everything about CGL and IWM in a negative way that they should just stick to MWO and not play the board game itself

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« Reply #25 on: 25 May 2017, 02:30:11 »
Well the only we do know so far is that the Valkyrie has no mold, so that is a big issue holding that particular mini up. Would be nice if Speck could give us SOMETHING. Better to have a little than have nothing and run around screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"

Besides, doesn't look like anyone wants to check the 1st SW book to see if the art is still in the PDF. Does that mean that gossip is more enjoyable with no proof???

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« Reply #26 on: 25 May 2017, 07:52:46 »
Well the only we do know so far is that the Valkyrie has no mold, so that is a big issue holding that particular mini up.

It would be if the target release date was now or very shortly. It's not. The release was pushed back earlier, and is on target now. No "big issue" and no "holding up" to be had here.

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« Reply #27 on: 25 May 2017, 09:52:45 »
Would be nice if Speck could give us SOMETHING. Better to have a little than have nothing and run around screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"

speck is giving us something, he is trying to give us a fan funded Hellspawn HSN-7D Resculpt. We are currently US$25 short of the US$800 to fully fund Stinger to work on resculpting the Hellspawn. So instead of run around screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!", we can help bring a new miniature to life  O0
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #28 on: 25 May 2017, 10:21:32 »
Well the only we do know so far is that the Valkyrie has no mold, so that is a big issue holding that particular mini up. Would be nice if Speck could give us SOMETHING. Better to have a little than have nothing and run around screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"

Besides, doesn't look like anyone wants to check the 1st SW book to see if the art is still in the PDF. Does that mean that gossip is more enjoyable with no proof???

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« Reply #29 on: 25 May 2017, 10:44:16 »
Would be nice if Speck could give us SOMETHING. Better to have a little than have nothing and run around screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!"
Yeah... tell us something or we're going to start spreading malicious lies. That's a good approach.

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« Reply #30 on: 26 May 2017, 18:29:19 »
[face palm] Oh my. Calm down. Everything will be 'A' okay... Speck is an excellent guy. Please, give him some respect (for all he continues to do for us).

Things will not calm down IAMCLANWOLF. They will in fact calm up.

Well we know what happened with the Valkyrie now as it missed its original Q2 release, but is back on track. Now all we need is someone to share info on the Wasp :) Once complete, we can go back to the new and upcoming releases thread and spread doom n gloom there once again :crazy2:

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« Reply #31 on: 26 May 2017, 18:32:55 »
Things will not calm down IAMCLANWOLF. They will in fact calm up.

With all the sturm and drang over what is almost assuredly nothing (where's Stanislav Petrov when you need him?), I'd even settle for merely having things clam up.  ;D

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« Reply #32 on: 26 May 2017, 21:25:56 »
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« Reply #33 on: 28 May 2017, 11:53:54 »
So instead of run around screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!", we can help bring a new miniature to life  O0

Except a Resculpt doesn't really qualify as a "New" mini.  :-X
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« Reply #34 on: 28 May 2017, 14:58:22 »
Besides, doesn't look like anyone wants to check the 1st SW book to see if the art is still in the PDF.

I just re-downloaded the 1SW PDF from DriveThruRPG, and the Valkyrie art is still there. According to their system, the PDF is the same one that came out in 2016. Happy now?

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« Reply #35 on: 28 May 2017, 20:00:03 »
And the Wasp? We already know that some snafu held up the creation of the Valkyrie mold but the removal of the Wasp from the IWM site as well as the lack of Wasps currently for sale is still a mystery. Unlike some I do not think this is something to do with HG and a repeat of the unseen issue. Maybe something between IWM and CGL, but most likely some other production issue. I just want the HQ rumors to die a horrible death.

So long as the Wasp art is still in the 1SW PDF we can be certain that it is dead. If only the same were true of HG itself...

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« Reply #36 on: 28 May 2017, 20:01:43 »
So long as the Wasp art is still in the 1SW PDF we can be certain that it is dead.
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« Reply #37 on: 28 May 2017, 20:17:37 »
The Wasp is still there as well. It is, literally, the same version of the PDF that was released last year. I also re-downloaded CM: Kurita. Both the Wasp and Phoenix Hawk are still in it as well, and that PDF is also from 2016. All the art is still there, so I'd say it's pretty safe to calm down now. The flying lawyer-monkeys are safely asleep in their lair.
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« Reply #38 on: 28 May 2017, 22:04:55 »
Referring to the laughable claim someone made that HG could be having a hissy fit over the new Wasp art. Since it is still in the latest books we can put to rest the thought that HG is trying to take our Wasp away again.

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« Reply #39 on: 28 May 2017, 22:39:59 »
Got you now, Phoenixstorm - just lost track of what "it" was.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #40 on: 29 May 2017, 20:35:29 »
Sorry for not posting sooner about this, but was waiting to hear back from Mike, then forums stopped working, and then we are at the weekend and it was my wife birthday.

Below is all that I am able to say for now, when I have more information to post about it I will do so.
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« Reply #41 on: 29 May 2017, 21:25:08 »
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #42 on: 30 May 2017, 00:17:22 »
Sorry for not posting sooner about this, but was waiting to hear back from Mike, then forums stopped working, and then we are at the weekend and it was my wife birthday.

Below is all that I am able to say for now, when I have more information to post about it I will do so.

Thanks for the information, but are there any news on the other classics / un-unseens / whatever? There is still no information which classic is going to be released in Q3, let alone in Q4 or in 2018. Hopefully, the release of the other classics is still on schedule?
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« Reply #43 on: 30 May 2017, 13:16:41 »
I have a very bad feeling about this.   [legal]

I admit, this doesn't bode well... but I'm not yet sold that it's an IP fight. Only as HG has had over a year already to pitch a hissy-fit over the Wasp (1SW was released on May 2, 2016), it seems a bit johnny-come-lately for them to only start flinging the C&Ds now (with as litigious as that company is and as public as CGL's Classics announcement was, I can't imagine someone there NOT taking a long and critical look at the designs from the get-go).

OTOH, I can't think of any other good explanations to why IWM started selling the minis then pulled them relatively quickly. If it were a pending announcement from CGL about new PlasTech Classics, I don't see them pulling the rug out from under IWM by telling IWM to basically eat the investment in the making of the expensive molds then not letting them use them. That's a jerk move that CGL just is not capable of from what I've seen of them. 

Also, this is probably not "Things Don't Always Work Out" territory. Speck, if you are able and allowed to confirm, the embargo (or whatever) only extends (publicly, at least, as they're the only two other announced minis at the time) to the Wasp and Valkyrie, right? Can we take it as understood that it doesn't extend to the already-released-and-still-on-the-site Shadow Hawk and OstScout?

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #44 on: 30 May 2017, 16:36:44 »
If Harmony Gold was going after the Wasp and Valkyrie, then they would have gone after the Shadow Hawk as well.  I suspect it's not a copyright issue.

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« Reply #45 on: 30 May 2017, 16:41:36 »
Ostscout and Shadow Hawk still available on IWM store.

The Shad is similar to a Dougram design not a HG design. However Ostscout is similar to HG design . . .
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« Reply #46 on: 30 May 2017, 17:18:03 »
How long has the Primitive Wasp been out now?
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« Reply #47 on: 30 May 2017, 18:44:27 »
Ostscout and Shadow Hawk still available on IWM store.

The Shad is similar to a Dougram design not a HG design. However Ostscout is similar to HG design . . .

HG can't really say anything about the Shad, as like you said it's from Dougram and so they have no copyright stake in it. As for the OstScout, while it was based off the Regult, it's been so changed that you'd need to squint while on LSD to discern the any Regult influences with the Classic.

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« Reply #48 on: 30 May 2017, 20:56:26 »
HG can't really say anything about the Shad, as like you said it's from Dougram and so they have no copyright stake in it. As for the OstScout, while it was based off the Regult, it's been so changed that you'd need to squint while on LSD to discern the any Regult influences with the Classic.

Agree with you on the classic Ostscout being "similiar" to the Regult (my one uni post-grad level unit of contract law brain says that if we use the words "based on" then we are not helping CGL/IWM's cause in any potential discussions with HG).

Without inside knowledge and based solely on the art that has been published I would expect that the work on re-imaging the classic mechs would stand up to a legal challenge as being original work but that does not stop somebody from at least trying to test that if they so desire. The message that speck does have me leaning toward a legal issue but there is nothing that we can really do but provide moral support and think positively for CGL and IWM and hope for a speedy and successful resolution to whatever the issue is.
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« Reply #49 on: 30 May 2017, 21:12:21 »
At this juncture, I would think CGL would have made an effort not to cross paths with HG again.  They have proven such a headache, you would think CGL might even sent them copies so they could pitch a fit before any printing began.


Plus, how big is HG's property in the US these days?  From my observations they've always acted like there was a huge market here, and frankly, it seems like even more of niche than Battletech.  I do see some stuff on Amazon now and again, but I find far more Battletech merchandise there.  Not to mention it was the worst soap opera ever   [metalhealth] .
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« Reply #50 on: 30 May 2017, 22:08:33 »
I wonder if CGL has nothing to do with this? Catalyst and Iron Wind Metals are two different companies, and I think the license to produce art (and plastic miniatures) is separate from the license to produce metal miniatures.

Heck, if we're going to go with whimsical speculation, maybe it's Palladium Books that's actually our secret, mustache twirling adversary. They were the ones turning out Robotech miniatures.  They could be upset that iron wind metals is turning out passable alternatives at reasonable prices that aren't unnecessarily complicated to assemble. :D

(and yes, I know there's not enough information to go naming boogeymen. Everyone was doing it, I just wanted to be popular!)
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« Reply #51 on: 31 May 2017, 00:34:54 »
Are they still making those minis?? Haven't seen much selection around anywhere.

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« Reply #52 on: 31 May 2017, 01:46:56 »
Are they still making those minis?? Haven't seen much selection around anywhere.

I honestly don't know. I don't recall Palladium officially discontinuing them, but then again, it's Palladium Books, the Patron Saint of unkeepable promises.
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« Reply #53 on: 31 May 2017, 09:51:58 »
Are they still making those minis?? Haven't seen much selection around anywhere.

They are still in retail, but I am skeptical of any new production. The saga of Palladium's Robotech minis is a subject for its own thread.
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« Reply #54 on: 31 May 2017, 16:45:04 »
With all the sturm and drang

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« Reply #56 on: 02 June 2017, 00:37:12 »
My paranoia has been triggered. The backer beta of the Battletech computer game (released today) contains no Robotech derived mechs in it. No Warhammers, Marauders, Archers, Phoenix Hawks, Stingers or Wasps.

Others who have dug through the files have found a larger list of mechs, presumably mechs to be included in the final game. Still no robotech derived mechs  (there are former unseens, but none that came from Robotech).

Maybe it means nothing. Maybe it doesn't reflect on the unspecified problems with the wasp and valkyrie minis, and yet...

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« Reply #57 on: 02 June 2017, 01:09:44 »
I thought the exact same thing Liam. Considering HBS is using PGI assets and the Marauder/Warhammer/Phoenix Hawk art already is out there. It just smells fishy.
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« Reply #58 on: 02 June 2017, 03:24:28 »
Are the Warhammers, Marauders, P. Hawks still in MWO??

And when did MWO get the Stinger and Wasp anyway??

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« Reply #59 on: 02 June 2017, 05:48:57 »
Are the Warhammers, Marauders, P. Hawks still in MWO??

Yes, still there. But for example the PGI Marauder isn't as closer as the CGL Classic was to the Unseen....

And when did MWO get the Stinger and Wasp anyway??

Nope, timeline jump to 3067 incoming for MWO so they are moving towards other designs :(

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« Reply #60 on: 02 June 2017, 08:09:00 »
Bloody hell. HG must pulled something then.  If their missing from the HBS Game, Iron winds pulls most of the Macross related  miniatures. Then it's likely now.  LORD i wish someone buy Harmony Gold liquidate them.  They are worst trolls of properties.  They can't even get their stuff they own going.

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« Reply #61 on: 02 June 2017, 11:11:37 »
*wonders if jets or mechanical boosters or even K-F drives are being used to reach these conclusions*

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« Reply #62 on: 02 June 2017, 11:26:55 »
Well, the Warhammer, Marauder, Archer, and P-Hawk were all released a while after HBS initially announced they had made a deal and were using PGI's game models. It is eintrely possible these newer models were not part of the deal. I mean, if I was PGI, I wouldn't make a deal for all the IS mechs I've got plus any others I might make in the future for set terms. I'd make a deal for what I had, and then if they wanted new stuff later, that would be a separate deal.

As further evidence of this, the Assassin and the Javelin are both NOT unseen, and I don't believe either currently appears in the HBS mech list, even though they are correct for the time period and PGI has models for them.

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« Reply #63 on: 02 June 2017, 11:48:08 »
*wonders if jets or mechanical boosters or even K-F drives are being used to reach these conclusions*

We don't know doesn't mean the reason is bad.

We don't know doesn't mean the reason is good.

We don't know means we don't know.

I agree, its too early to jump to conclusions, but if life teached me something, its to wait (and prepare) for the worst.
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« Reply #64 on: 02 June 2017, 11:59:41 »
Well, the Warhammer, Marauder, Archer, and P-Hawk were all released a while after HBS initially announced they had made a deal and were using PGI's game models. It is eintrely possible these newer models were not part of the deal. I mean, if I was PGI, I wouldn't make a deal for all the IS mechs I've got plus any others I might make in the future for set terms. I'd make a deal for what I had, and then if they wanted new stuff later, that would be a separate deal.

As further evidence of this, the Assassin and the Javelin are both NOT unseen, and I don't believe either currently appears in the HBS mech list, even though they are correct for the time period and PGI has models for them.
The last two are too new. Indeed, there are others as well (like the Cyclops, i think). I figure these might get patched in or included in expansions if any will be made for HBS BT. While HBS does use PGI's models, they need to be rigged for melee animations, and possibly some other stuff. Takes time and money.

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« Reply #65 on: 02 June 2017, 14:19:59 »
As further evidence of this, the Assassin and the Javelin are both NOT unseen, and I don't believe either currently appears in the HBS mech list, even though they are correct for the time period and PGI has models for them.

I´m sure Paradox threw a temper tantrum like "Me wants contents for teh DLCs! Give me regular stuff I can sellz as specioul contentz maximisn teh profits!"

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« Reply #66 on: 02 June 2017, 15:15:59 »
Do we know for sure that it is Harmony Gold pulling this c**p or is this just idle speculation?
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« Reply #67 on: 02 June 2017, 15:38:12 »
Do we know for sure that it is Harmony Gold pulling this c**p or is this just idle speculation?

For now, only especulation. There is no information on the cause of all this problem.
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« Reply #68 on: 02 June 2017, 15:58:58 »
Yeah, that's why we shouldn't promote doom, only gloom >:D

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« Reply #69 on: 02 June 2017, 17:55:53 »
Yeah, that's why we shouldn't promote doom, only gloom >:D

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« Reply #70 on: 02 June 2017, 18:45:40 »
Do we know for sure that it is Harmony Gold pulling this c**p or is this just idle speculation?

Pure speculation. Even in my case I was careful to frame it purely as paranoia with an amusing cat picture.

I look forward to that paranoia being proven unjustified.
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« Reply #71 on: 02 June 2017, 22:17:09 »
Pure speculation. Even in my case I was careful to frame it purely as paranoia with an amusing cat picture.

I look forward to that paranoia being proven unjustified.
Me too. I want be wrong with my hunch on this. The pull of all the Classics is what steering my gut feelings about it.
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« Reply #72 on: 02 June 2017, 23:39:35 »
You can't base that paranoia solely on the fact that those TWO minis are not in distribution. CGL and to some extent PGI would both get hit with a polite letter (or nasty gram C&D) before IWM would. The fact that only the minis have been affected means something else. Paranoia is good, but don't be so narrow minded with said paranoia ^-^

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« Reply #73 on: 03 June 2017, 07:49:28 »
Have we eliminated the possibility that TPTB heard our complaints about the Wasp mini, agreed with us, and pulled the mini for re-sculpting?

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« Reply #74 on: 03 June 2017, 08:49:32 »
Have we eliminated the possibility that TPTB heard our complaints about the Wasp mini, agreed with us, and pulled the mini for re-sculpting?
Now that would just be foolish to think, especially considering the new assistant line dev's involvement with the miniatures side of the game.  :D

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« Reply #75 on: 03 June 2017, 09:41:48 »
Now that would just be foolish to think, especially considering the new assistant line dev's involvement with the miniatures side of the game.  :D

Some people just liking stepping on everyone's toes for the fun of it. It's a good plan to knock the new LD, ALD, three artists who contributed, and several other individuals involved all in one post, right?

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« Reply #76 on: 03 June 2017, 20:50:54 »
I haven't had a chance to see this artwork in question. PM me if you have details that could lead to it's arres...I mean viewing. :))

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« Reply #77 on: 03 June 2017, 21:17:36 »
Have we eliminated the possibility that TPTB heard our complaints about the Wasp mini, agreed with us, and pulled the mini for re-sculpting?

Has Iron Wind Metals ever done that in the history of ever? If they were going to do a re-sculpt, they wouldn't pull the original before the re-sculpt was ready. Heck, some minis have gotten a re-sculpt long ago, and their original sculpts are still for sale alongside the re-sculpt.
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« Reply #78 on: 04 June 2017, 13:08:08 »
[face palm] Oh my. Calm down. Everything will be 'A' okay... Speck is an excellent guy. Please, give him some respect (for all he continues to do for us).

Fully endorse this.  Look, this area is one of my favorite places on the board to come relax.  More knowledge and talent here than in any other part of the board, IMO.  O0

That being said, take a breath, there may be a reason and I'm sure it will come out in due time.  I have an idea - go see Wonder Woman pay out some smack down on bad guys and relax.  [watch]

I'm getting twitchy just reading some of this... #P


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« Reply #79 on: 04 June 2017, 23:13:46 »
Of all the nuSeens to get delayed or whatnot, why'd it have to be the one I'm actually interested in?

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« Reply #80 on: 04 June 2017, 23:35:02 »
Of all the nuSeens to get delayed or whatnot, why'd it have to be the one I'm actually interested in?

Murphy's Law... #P

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« Reply #81 on: 05 June 2017, 01:59:14 »
Murphy's Law... #P
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« Reply #82 on: 05 June 2017, 11:25:07 »
Has anyone checked to make sure it wasn't gremlins?  [##]
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« Reply #83 on: 05 June 2017, 12:04:29 »
You can't base that paranoia solely on the fact that those TWO minis are not in distribution.

You don't have much experience with paranoia, do you?  O:-)
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« Reply #84 on: 05 June 2017, 16:16:08 »
Enough to look at the bigger picture :D

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« Reply #85 on: 05 June 2017, 18:02:02 »
They are still in retail, but I am skeptical of any new production. The saga of Palladium's Robotech minis is a subject for its own thread.

Basically, HG badly overproduced Wave One, so there's a LOT of that available, and they haven't been able to even begin producing Wave Two because they overspent so much on Wave One. They can't proceed with anything else until they get Wave Two out.

 

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