Author Topic: Lets Discuss the Duan Gung (Read 5115 times)

YingJanshi · « **on:** 15 October 2013, 18:12:12 »

I don't know why but I've always been fond of the Duan Gung. I guess I'm also one of the very few that actually thinks it looks cool (sort of a small JagerMech with arms ;D). I haven't used the G10 yet, but have gotten a fair use out of the G9. Like to use it as either ranged support in my scout lances or in harasser lances.

So does anyone else like this little 'Mech or have had success with it? Any favorite tactics? Or just anything else you would like to share about it? :D

Scotty · « **Reply #1 on:** 15 October 2013, 18:33:53 »

I absolutely love this 'Mech. Eats gauss for breakfast and doesn't afraid of... well, it dies after that, but that's why I love it!

As a Marik player, 'Mechs like this are what make me enjoy the Carronade, as you yourself have no doubt noticed.

It's a bit slow for its tonnage. Decent armor (for the weight), but not doing much on offense. 7/11/6 isn't exactly spectacular, since you can't hit that wonderful +4 TMM when jumping.

blitzy · « **Reply #2 on:** 15 October 2013, 20:05:29 »

I think it came a little before it's time. I'd love an official version with stealth armor and a MML, more the MML, but the stock model is pretty nice.

Avimimus · « **Reply #3 on:** 22 October 2013, 17:23:49 »

I too have the urge to tweak the design - my dark-age Taurian/Trinity Alliance production runs:

Small cockpit to allow adding one ton of armour (bringing the total up to five tons). Maybe an XL gyro.

For ambushes, long range support and anti-battle armour use respectively:
- 4x Medium Pulse Lasers
- 2x Light PPC with PPC capacitors and a targeting computer
- 1x Plasma Cannon and a targeting computer

A standard engine can be fitted at the cost of dropping to 5/8/5... which brings the price down for garrison units (2,225,417 C-bills due to using a Standard 125 rated engine).

They can be quite effective in groups of six or more...

JadeHellbringer · « **Reply #4 on:** 22 October 2013, 17:49:35 »

I dig the plasma rifle idea... kind of a Jackal rethought, in a way. And that's not a bad thing at all.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #5 on:** 22 October 2013, 20:13:44 »

Interesting thought . . . did this design make the new tech area in the latest TRO? I could see some of the goodies there making this a more lethal BA/Vehicle hunter.

Avimimus · « **Reply #6 on:** 23 October 2013, 08:39:40 »

Well it would make a lot of sense - the Plasma Rifle is pretty much the Trinity Alliance's signature weapon....

JadeHellbringer · « **Reply #7 on:** 23 October 2013, 16:37:28 »

Quote from: Avimimus on 23 October 2013, 08:39:40

Well it would make a lot of sense - the Plasma Rifle is pretty much the Trinity Alliance's signature weapon....

All the more reason to not want to go anywhere near that part of the Inner Sphere these days. I can't put in writing how much I hate getting hit with Plasma Rifles.

Kotetsu · « **Reply #8 on:** 23 October 2013, 17:37:58 »

Don't go near my merc force then... We apparently bought stock in the Plasma Rifle company. Heck, there are machines toting three of them!

JadeHellbringer · « **Reply #9 on:** 23 October 2013, 17:50:11 »

Quote from: Kotetsu on 23 October 2013, 17:37:58

Don't go near my merc force then... We apparently bought stock in the Plasma Rifle company. Heck, there are machines toting three of them!

Three on an assault Mech is terrifying. One on a super-fast platform like a Jackal (or our hypothetical Duan Gung) is a fantastic little monster able to make Mechs unhappy and EVERYTHING ELSE utterly miserable- and the more you have, the messier they make life. Sure, they need ammo eventually, but until that point that's one ugly little monster of a unit.

Kotetsu · « **Reply #10 on:** 23 October 2013, 18:05:02 »

Quote from: JadeHellbringer on 23 October 2013, 17:50:11

Three on an assault Mech is terrifying. One on a super-fast platform like a Jackal (or our hypothetical Duan Gung) is a fantastic little monster able to make Mechs unhappy and EVERYTHING ELSE utterly miserable- and the more you have, the messier they make life. Sure, they need ammo eventually, but until that point that's one ugly little monster of a unit.

I'll note that the one with three Plasmas is a Lancelot refit...

JadeHellbringer · « **Reply #11 on:** 23 October 2013, 23:53:43 »

Quote from: Kotetsu on 23 October 2013, 18:05:02

I'll note that the one with three Plasmas is a Lancelot refit...

*stares blankly*

That ain't right.

ScannerError · « **Reply #12 on:** 26 October 2013, 14:47:40 »

It's a nice and fast little thing, though the armor's light and it's missing the 7th jump jet (just like its relatives, the Sling, Mist Lynx, and Koshi). Vaughn's Duan Gung fixes the armor problem, but just a LRM 10 or LPPC on all the variants isn't much for firepower. I wish there was a MML variant, or one with something like twin LPPCs (Replacing the Mlas) and a Rocket Launcher in the CT.

Rothgar · « **Reply #13 on:** 26 October 2013, 16:05:28 »

I love the -10 with the light ppc and stealth armor for the better defensive numbers and being able to snipe without fear of an ammo crit. Plus the ECM you get in order to activate the stealth is just juicy.

YingJanshi · « **Reply #14 on:** 26 October 2013, 16:25:08 »

Quote from: Rothgar on 26 October 2013, 16:05:28

I love the -10 with the light ppc and stealth armor for the better defensive numbers and being able to snipe without fear of an ammo crit. Plus the ECM you get in order to activate the stealth is just juicy.

Except you can't use the ECM when you have your stealth active. In fact it puts you under the effects of ECM. :P
Oh well...stealth is still fun.

Trailblazer · « **Reply #15 on:** 26 October 2013, 16:25:54 »

Like most (perhaps all) Xin Sheng designs, this 'Mech looks like absolute butt. It's too lightly armored to be especially good, but it has a role as a fast equivalent to the Valkyrie.

YingJanshi · « **Reply #16 on:** 26 October 2013, 17:07:30 »

Quote from: Trailblazer on 26 October 2013, 16:25:54

Like most (perhaps all) Xin Sheng designs, this 'Mech looks like absolute butt. It's too lightly armored to be especially good, but it has a role as a fast equivalent to the Valkyrie.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree about that. ;D

Rothgar · « **Reply #17 on:** 26 October 2013, 17:10:01 »

I think the DG is everything the Urbanmech wanted to be and more :P

Sabelkatten · « **Reply #18 on:** 27 October 2013, 05:19:44 »

Quote from: YingJanshi on 26 October 2013, 16:25:08

Except you can't use the ECM when you have your stealth active. In fact it puts you under the effects of ECM. :P
Oh well...stealth is still fun.

???

I'm fairly sure you generate standard ECM effects with active stealth? AFAIK the effects of activating stealth armor are 1) Enemy TN modifier, 2) You get jammed yourself, 3) your ECM is fixed in jamming mode.

YingJanshi · « **Reply #19 on:** 27 October 2013, 10:53:44 »

Quote from: Sabelkatten on 27 October 2013, 05:19:44

???

I'm fairly sure you generate standard ECM effects with active stealth? AFAIK the effects of activating stealth armor are 1) Enemy TN modifier, 2) You get jammed yourself, 3) your ECM is fixed in jamming mode.

Changed it under the latest errata. Only against yourself. As long as your stealth is active, your ECM doesn't provide any effects on the table against anyone else.

ScannerError · « **Reply #20 on:** 27 October 2013, 10:54:44 »

Quote from: Sabelkatten on 27 October 2013, 05:19:44

I'm fairly sure you generate standard ECM effects with active stealth? AFAIK the effects of activating stealth armor are 1) Enemy TN modifier, 2) You get jammed yourself, 3) your ECM is fixed in jamming mode.

Check the most recent Total Warfare Errata. Stealth armor now turns off your ECM suite when running, and you still suffer the localized hostile ECM effect. On the other hand, now ARAD missiles don't get bonuses against an armor intended to minimize your emissions, which never made much sense.

UnLimiTeD · « **Reply #21 on:** 27 October 2013, 10:55:33 »

Does that go for all ECM, or just a single?