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Re: The Free Worlds League: Winning with what we've got!
« Reply #870 on: 01 December 2017, 03:13:28 »
The Carronade doesn't get nearly enough credit. It's better than it looks on paper. "Wait, you traded away the second headcapper for LB-X Gauss?"

It works out better this way though, because it means no one Mech in the formation is exclusively responsible for a job. The loss of a Carronade doesn't mean the loss of your entire ranged punch; it probably means you have a GRF-3M somewhere handling the other half of the holepuncher role or so on.

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« Reply #871 on: 01 December 2017, 05:23:00 »
It's all about building to teamwork.  I wonder what you guys think of the Cappie augmented lances, two per company with four of one and two of another - tanks, BA, or 'Mechs in whatever mix you like.  Or do you prefer homogenous lances?

I imagine there aren't many plasma rifles in the League armory either, despite their absolutely fantastic multipurpose nature.  At least PPCs are a thing again!

Also, what's the deal with the Foxes and the Clan Protectorate; just how much realistic access to Clan hardware (not counting Wolf salvage, of which there's not gonna be much) does the FWL have?  So far I see truckloads of SSRM6 racks and their ammo for the Julianos, while the XTRO has a Clan LPL and Targeting Computer for a Hermes.  Chemical lasers for the Red Kite could turn the Ontos into a whole new monstrosity, and the Regulans get several Clan LRM15s and an ERSL for the Sarath, while aerospace gets twin UAC10s for Shikras.  With that latter choice, you could free up three tons on the Anzu alone...

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« Reply #872 on: 01 December 2017, 17:04:16 »
A fair amount, it would seem. Amongst other things:

  • Production of an all Clan weapon variant of the Juliano
  • Retooling a Guillotine line to build the Guillotine IIC
  • Creation of a Clantech variant of the Tempest.
Also, the Carronade might just be the best FWL heavy ever
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« Reply #873 on: 01 December 2017, 17:29:24 »
The Carronade doesn't get nearly enough credit. It's better than it looks on paper. "Wait, you traded away the second headcapper for LB-X Gauss?"
As a fervent believer in the Silver Bullet Gauss rifle, I think the Carronade looks great.

Also, the Carronade might just be the best FWL heavy ever
Hard to argue against that.

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« Reply #874 on: 01 December 2017, 19:54:22 »
  • Production of an all Clan weapon variant of the Juliano
  • Retooling a Guillotine line to build the Guillotine IIC
  • Creation of a Clantech variant of the Tempest.
Oh?  Where are those lovely things mentioned...
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« Reply #875 on: 01 December 2017, 20:39:41 »
TRO: 3150 New Tech, New Upgrades

The Juliano JLN-3B replaces the ER Large and ER Mediums of the 3A with Clan ER Larges and Clan Medium Pulses (no further changes).

The others I'm not as familiar with.
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« Reply #876 on: 01 December 2017, 20:43:26 »
Well, now I no longer feel bad about using heavy mixed-tech customs for a BL-9 refit.
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« Reply #877 on: 01 December 2017, 20:48:44 »
Minor correction to Scotty's post, the JLN-5C is the clan weapons refit model. The -5B replaces the Clan SSRM-6s with Inner Sphere SRM-6s (for fun, load one ton of infernos and use all four SRM-6s firing them. Things shut down fast.)

The Guillotine IIC thing is nice. There IS the question of whether we get IIC Standard or IIC 2 for this unit, though.

The Tempest C we don't have record sheets for, and at this point I've given up on the idea we'll ever see it. Same deal for a lot of our other refits alluded to in TRO 3150 NTNU.

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« Reply #878 on: 02 December 2017, 02:25:15 »
The Guillotine IIC 2 is on the FM3145 RAT, but it's on the Generic list rather then the specific sub-tables. So If nothing else, they have that.
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« Reply #879 on: 02 December 2017, 10:38:28 »
A fair amount, it would seem. Amongst other things:

  • Production of an all Clan weapon variant of the Juliano
  • Retooling a Guillotine line to build the Guillotine IIC
  • Creation of a Clantech variant of the Tempest.
Also, the Carronade might just be the best FWL heavy ever

The Guillotine and Tempest are from after Clan wolf takes those factories?
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« Reply #880 on: 02 December 2017, 14:31:45 »
No . . . the Wolves retooled the Orion/Perseus line (prob) to become the Orion C after they experienced the effectiveness of the mixed tech Tempest C afaik.  The CatSharks converted a factory to produce the Guillotine IIC as part of the Protectorate, again AFAIK.
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« Reply #881 on: 02 December 2017, 19:22:45 »
Guillotine IIC 2 is a fantastic Mech whose only meaningful flaw is slightly low engagement range for clantech (15 hexes for most of its weapons) and a reliance on energy weaponry (I'm calling it a flaw since Reflective armor is now a thing). Neither of which are enough to disqualify it from being a HUGE upgrade over the decades-obsolete GLT-5M.

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« Reply #882 on: 04 December 2017, 07:23:15 »
Does someone know what happened to several Atrean Dragoons regiments during SW as there are only mentioned 1st, 11th and 12th. Didn't find much info (FR: 2675 FWLM & ER: 2750) about them.
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« Reply #883 on: 04 December 2017, 08:30:41 »
The Guillotine and Tempest are from after Clan wolf takes those factories?

Ah, I'm (fortunately) wrong.  Both the Guillotine IIC 2 and Tempest 4C are Angel II from when the Protectorate takes over there.  Need to update the MUL's Guillotine IIC 2 faction availability...
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« Reply #884 on: 04 December 2017, 10:18:25 »
Does someone know what happened to several Atrean Dragoons regiments during SW as there are only mentioned 1st, 11th and 12th. Didn't find much info (FR: 2675 FWLM & ER: 2750) about them.

The info you want is in the First and Second Succession War sourcebooks respectively. The 13th Atrean died in the First, the others in the Second. I'll let you check out the details for yourself.
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« Reply #885 on: 04 December 2017, 12:31:25 »
Some of the regiment's individual actions were not included in the Succession Wars sourcebooks.  It does have a table in the back saying what their strength, starting and ending of the conflict, where they were for when war started and when it finished if it did survive. 
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« Reply #886 on: 05 December 2017, 00:07:26 »
So what do you guys think of Thomas' Knights of the Inner Sphere?  I never liked Ideal War and their introduction, but by 3150 they've been dead a while.  Anyone want to give a postmortem on them or even a suggestion they be brought back somehow?  At least the concept, if not the very same knights.

I've been rereading/rewatching Five Star Stories.  I have giant mech knights on the brain.
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« Reply #887 on: 05 December 2017, 00:26:46 »
I believe the Knights of the Inner Sphere eventually became, in some form, the Republic's Knights, somehow.

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« Reply #888 on: 05 December 2017, 01:06:35 »
The Knights were all killed IIRC . . . one group got bombed and the other gas'd in their barracks.  The same ideals Fake Tom fostered in their creation were in the formation of the Republic's Knights though they went further with the Paladins being something like a group of warlords since each had lots of political power and ties to military power.  What kept them in check was the structure of the Republic . . . and when it cracked is when you saw that equivalent come about since Thad set up a number of micro-kingdoms.
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« Reply #889 on: 05 December 2017, 01:14:58 »
"Thomas Marik had a dream once.  He may not have been the Captain-General the League chose, but he was the Captain-General the League needed.  Today the Free Worlds League stands once more.  Perhaps it's time to bring back his dream, as well."
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« Reply #890 on: 05 December 2017, 01:49:10 »
The Knights were portrayed at inception like Ye Olde Renaissance Faire attendees. Which might have been a jab at Battletech nobility, but given the rest of the novel I doubt the author was capable of that level of subtlety.

They didn't achieve much in their lifetime, other than to fight the Clans and piss off the WOB. It was made clear that they were loyal to the FWL first and chivalry second, which gives the lie to their founding principles. TPTB even decided to kill them off ignominiously, mostly being gassed to death on parade on the cover of JHS 3070...

The same ideals Fake Tom fostered in their creation were in the formation of the Republic's Knights though they went further with the Paladins being something like a group of warlords since each had lots of political power and ties to military power.  What kept them in check was the structure of the Republic . . . and when it cracked is when you saw that equivalent come about since Thad set up a number of micro-kingdoms.
The Republic Knights, unlike the FWL, never pretended to put chivalry first and Republic second - it was most firmly the other way. Most of the paladins and knights stayed true to the Republic, Thaddeus Marik and Ezekiel Crow being significant outliers.

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« Reply #891 on: 05 December 2017, 09:51:47 »
Marik's Knights were meant to be symbols first and warriors second, whereas Stone's Knights are the other way around. Both are meant to be an ideal that other soldiers(and the citizenry) could aspire to and hopefully emulate, and also provide the state with a small force of elite warriors that can be called upon in times of need.

I think a lot of it has to do with the leaders that founded them. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that whoever Stone is, his birth and early childhood would have been in the years of relative peace after the Fourth Succession War, while his teens would have seen the arrival of the Clans. On the other hand, Thomas Marik's formative years were in the depths of the Third Succession War. Both knew war from an early age, but when Marik was forming his worldviews, there was real concern that humanity was in the midst of a decline that might truly be irreversible and that the end of spacefaring civilization as we knew it wasn't all that far off. I believe he wanted his Knights to be a force against that entropy, to prove that humanity could aspire to more than just scavenging among the wastelands of our past glories.

Honestly, the thing I respect the most about the Knights of the Inner Sphere is that despite being primarily a cultural unit vs a military one, they never became a true parade unit. Sure, their mechs were all shiny and new and even the sticks up their butts were recovered tech plated in gold, but when the time came to throw down, they retained the skills to cash the checks their attitudes wrote.
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« Reply #892 on: 05 December 2017, 10:54:54 »
The Knights were portrayed at inception like Ye Olde Renaissance Faire attendees. Which might have been a jab at Battletech nobility, but given the rest of the novel I doubt the author was capable of that level of subtlety.

They didn't achieve much in their lifetime, other than to fight the Clans and piss off the WOB. It was made clear that they were loyal to the FWL first and chivalry second, which gives the lie to their founding principles. TPTB even decided to kill them off ignominiously, mostly being gassed to death on parade on the cover of JHS 3070...
The Republic Knights, unlike the FWL, never pretended to put chivalry first and Republic second - it was most firmly the other way. Most of the paladins and knights stayed true to the Republic, Thaddeus Marik and Ezekiel Crow being significant outliers.
Crow died out of loyalty for the Republic. Marik's decision was very logical in the context of the events. He showed loyalty to worlds that would have otherwise been a warzone. Remember, Exarch Levin approved of the pocket fortress idea. Likewise, it looked like the older ideals of the Republic really were crumbling. The Scorpian Jar and Sword of Sedition are excellent novels for gaining context.
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« Reply #893 on: 06 December 2017, 01:26:27 »
So what do you guys think of Thomas' Knights of the Inner Sphere?  I never liked Ideal War and their introduction, but by 3150 they've been dead a while.  Anyone want to give a postmortem on them or even a suggestion they be brought back somehow?  At least the concept, if not the very same knights.

The Knights, when handled by competent authors, were fun. Even bad authors occasionally got some good lines out of them. Rod Trane in Star Lord stood out. When being offered the chance to break laws without consequence since nobody would know he did it, he remarked, "I would know, and that's enough. If I can't be honest to myself, how can I be honest to others?" (paraphrased). Good line.

Same deal Masters arguing with Kingston on Huntress about where to go in response to a Jaguar counter-offensive; Kingston wanted them to set up cordons in a nearby city. Masters balked, noting this would put civilians there at risk. "So what? They're jags." "They're PEOPLE, Kingston."

I found it funny the Knights, during JTP Atreus, basically went on a Let's Play of Oregon Trail. Lots of river fording in their Mechs.

Honestly, I would like to see them come back in a new form. Perhaps something more specifically loyal to the League than to its current leader(s).

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« Reply #894 on: 06 December 2017, 03:47:32 »
Best time to do it is perhaps 3150, as the Wolves turn to Terra and the League reunifies.  Failing that, post-Jihad as a Marik-Stewart Commonwealth, maybe strip some elements of the 11th Atrean and 1st FWL Guards to form a cadre, make them a demi- or full battalion size unit for simplicity and transport.  Could do the same with the 1st Guards in 3150.  First Expeditionary Marik Chevaliers, bringing back at least some of the ideas of the old Knights without going so far as the full name.  Be interesting to see how they'd play out in the Succession Wars In Miniature between Oriente, M-S, Andurien, Regulus, and Those Other Schmoes.  Alternatively maybe something similar coming out of the 2nd SW, same size, just kinda been around doing a thing like a knightly order and gave Thomas the idea to go big with it.

Believability?  If you guys like it I'll fluff it out further and throw a first draft of the idea in Non-Canon Units, if it sucks then skip it.
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« Reply #895 on: 06 December 2017, 06:51:27 »
Remember, beside the famous Knights we had also the Romanov's Crusaders. That mercs never got the attention they deserved. They left their homes to join Thomas dream ... and couldn't be accepted in the ranks of the Knights because of the wrong nationality.
I always thought that their chivalric ideals must be far greater than that of the regular Knights. The Knights had nothing to loose when they answered Thomas call. The Crusaders lost everything for little gain.

And in the end they spend their lives in an attempt to rescue Thomas family and the Knights.

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« Reply #896 on: 06 December 2017, 13:11:34 »
Pretty short-lived unit, but definitely makes me think there might be something to the idea post Jihad.  A way to honor the Knights and the Crusaders, and to show that even after a brutal war like that there's still a hope for chivalry and honorable ideals, etc etc.  Now I know when to set the Chevaliers formation.
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« Reply #897 on: 06 December 2017, 18:19:03 »
I'm interested in creating a 7th Regulan Hussars unit. What's their strength circa 3150ish? All I can find is they were once the Ronin Inc. security battalion, old school was a regiment with medium weight.

I can also find "  The combined arms philosophy started at the Company level where a Lance of 4 mechs cooperated with 2 conventional platoons (either one tank and one infantry or two tank platoons). These formed as combined arms companies. " ( saran ).

Wanting to make use of Heavy Support Infantry and Jump Support Infantry ( after all they're using generics... ).

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« Reply #898 on: 06 December 2017, 20:40:14 »
Well, the best we have is 3145 as far as I know, so that's 1 Battalion of Mechs at 55% with what's probably an A equipment rating. I don't think their exact composition is laid out anywhere, but you could probably expect a Battalion of Armor and a Battalion of Infantry to go with the Mech Battalion.

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« Reply #899 on: 25 December 2017, 19:19:05 »
Question: As of 3145, what are the viable Free Worlds League EW and spotting platforms?

I realized I've been soldiering on with the Owens for a very long time and the old gal' is starting to show her age. The Ravens and Eagles were always something of mediocre (at best) designs and besides the smattering of TAG mounts across our heavies like the beautiful Marauder MAD-9M2, any idea where I should start looking?

 

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