Stealth APC

[Empyrus]

Exactly what it says on the tin.

Very simple thing based on that one thread about stealth APCs.

35 ton wheeled chassis, XL engine for heat sinks and 7/11 speed. 7.5 tons of vehicular stealth armor powered with Guardian ECM. 8 tons of cargo space so it can carry two squads of battle armor. Armament consists of 6 LMGs, one in front and rear and a pair on each side on a sponson turret, half a ton of ammo with CASE.
Expensive, but then it is for elite units.

Variants can be produced from request...

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Stealth APC
IS advanced
35 tons 
BV: 573
Cost: 2,998,306 C-bills

Movement: 7/11 (Wheeled)
Engine: 225 XL

Internal: 16
Armor: 120 (Vehicular Stealth)
                     Internal    Armor
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Front                       4       35
Right                       4       30
Left                        4       30
Rear                        4       25

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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Light Machine Gun (ST)          LS     0
Light Machine Gun (ST)          LS     0
Light Machine Gun (ST)          RS     0
Light Machine Gun (ST)          RS     0
Light Machine Gun               RR     0
Light Machine Gun               FR     0

Ammo                           Loc Shots
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Half Light Machine Gun Ammo     BD   100

Equipment                      Loc
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Vehicular Stealth               BD
Vehicular Stealth               BD
Guardian ECM Suite              BD
Sponson Turret                  RS
Sponson Turret                  LS
CASE                            BD


Carrying Capacity:
Troops - 8.0 tons



[Empyrus]

Aand a simplified, lighter variant. Set during earlier time, reduced armament though i upgraded the Guardian to an Angel ECM.

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Stealth APC
IS experimental
30 tons 
BV: 580
Cost: 2,861,200 C-bills

Movement: 7/11 (Wheeled)
Engine: 190 XL

Internal: 12
Armor: 120 (Vehicular Stealth)
                     Internal    Armor
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Front                       3       35
Right                       3       30
Left                        3       30
Rear                        3       25

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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Machine Gun                     FR     0
Machine Gun                     FR     0

Ammo                           Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
Half Machine Gun Ammo           BD   100

Equipment                      Loc
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CASE                            BD
Vehicular Stealth               BD
Vehicular Stealth               BD
Angel ECM Suite                 BD


Carrying Capacity:
Troops - 8.0 tons


[Cryhavok101]

If it is for battle armor, why not just use omnimechs?

[Empyrus]

I have no idea. The thread i got the idea for asked for (paraphrasing) "Stealth APC that can carry two squads of BA".

Of course, an Omni can carry only one BA squad. And if stealth is a requirement, well, there are no stealth armored OmniMechs (well, the Wulfen but it is a rare Clan 'Mech...).

[Cryhavok101]

Fair enough. I'm not sure I would ever specialize a ground vehicle as a battle armor transport, personally. For the ground I would just use 'Mechs, even if I needed to design a stealth omni for it. For vehicles I would want it to be able to do something I couldn't have 'Mechs doing, and carrying more battle armor in the same vehicle just doesn't seem worth it to me.

Flight or the ability to travel over/under water would make it worth while (to me, I realize I'm not the one who asked for these lol). What are the chances you could make one of these amphibious? That is something battle armor have trouble with, and if I remember correctly, you can't mechanize on a submerged 'Mech. I'd also be interested in a VTOL or WiGE version of it as well.

[Empyrus]

I'll take a look at that in a moment. Interesting idea certainly.

(BTW, 8 tons of cargo space allows carrying two platoons of conventional (jump) infantry so it has its uses.)

A Stealth VTOL exists in form... Shun or something like that.

I will admit that a wheeled stealth APC is kinda limiting, i just have preference for wheeled vehicles even when it makes little sense. I blame Red Faction Guerrilla and its sexy terran APC for that.

[Empyrus]

Made a 50-ton WiGE with stealth armor and 12 tons of cargo capacity and 9/14 speed. Can deliver 3 squads of BA (or more conventional infantry) quick but lacks means to support them. I'll take a look at a bit more conventional Hovercraft...

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WiGE BA carrier
IS experimental
50 tons 
BV: 613
Cost: 17,356,250 C-bills

Movement: 9/14 (Wing in Ground Effect)
Engine: 310 XL

Internal: 20
Armor: 128 (Vehicular Stealth)
                     Internal    Armor
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Front                       5       42
Right                       5       30
Left                        5       30
Rear                        5       26

Equipment                      Loc
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Vehicular Stealth               BD
Vehicular Stealth               BD
Flotation Hull                  BD
Guardian ECM Suite              BD


Carrying Capacity:
Troops - 12.0 tons



[Empyrus]

A fast hovercraft APC with space for two BA squads. Stealth armor powered with Guardian so limited utility. Floats. No other extras.
Deploy BA, retreat.

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Hover BA Carrier Variant
IS experimental
30 tons 
BV: 494
Cost: 3,540,000 C-bills

Movement: 10/15 (Hover)
Engine: 170 XL

Internal: 12
Armor: 112 (Vehicular Stealth)
                     Internal    Armor
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Front                       3       38
Right                       3       26
Left                        3       26
Rear                        3       22

Equipment                      Loc
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Vehicular Stealth               BD
Vehicular Stealth               BD
Guardian ECM Suite              BD
Flotation Hull                  BD


Carrying Capacity:
Troops - 8.0 tons

Wonder if i should try to make an amphibious IFV too...

[Cryhavok101]

Very nice, and thanks for them.

It occurred to me that if you used Angel ECM it could support the stealth armor, and provide ghost targets to possibly help the battle armor. That might be a thing to look into. Also if you do want  to put armaments on, this might be a great place for rocket launchers. It'll be retreating anyway, and with those it could toss an alpha strike in before it goes.

[Empyrus]

The Hovercraft actually had Angel at first but in order to fit second BA squad, i had to remove it and half a ton of armor along with MagShots i planned.
As it is, the Hovercraft could be used during the Jihad though. Angel would be pushing already expensive vehicle (thanks the XL engine). On other hand, elites get best stuff even when it costs ridiculously...

The rocket launcher suggestion is excellent. I'll make a couple more later.

Might need to cram an XXL engine in though. On the other hand, they're used occasionally during the Dark Age so i don't think there's a problem?

[Feign]

8 tons can carry a point of Assault BA, which is the only way they're getting to any place useful.

It can also carry 5 points of PA(L), which would otherwise take Omni slots from Medium BA.

Also, you can fit 4 light Vehicle cubicles in the same tonnage as one Mech on a dropship.

[Cryhavok101]

8 tons can carry a point of Assault BA, which is the only way they're getting to any place useful.

It can also carry 5 points of PA(L), which would otherwise take Omni slots from Medium BA.

Also, you can fit 4 light Vehicle cubicles in the same tonnage as one Mech on a dropship.

3 light vehicle cubicles (50 tons each) per mech cubicle (150 tons each)... unless you were talking about cargo space rather than cubicles, but those are good points, thanks. I tend to forget that different suits weigh different, so your point about PA(L) suits makes a huge difference in how I was thinking.

[wesharrisb]

Slow, stealthy, with environmental sealing, enough armor to survive a HGR anywhere, and acceptable internal cargo bay for extras.

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Heavy Stealth APC

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F-A
Production Year: 3132
Cost: 2,422,875 C-Bills
Battle Value: 682

Power Plant:  160 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor:  Vehicle Stealth Armor
Armament:
    1  Light AC/5
    2  Light Machine Guns
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
    1  Infantry Bay (8.0 tons)
    1  Cargo, Insulated (2.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      30 points                6.00
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             160                       7.50
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        9.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Vehicle Stealth Armor        AV - 139                  9.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     27       
                                          Left/Right   27/27       
                                              Turret     31       
                                                Rear     27       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 Light Machine Guns                         FR        0         2         1.00
Light AC/5                                   T         1         1         5.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           BD        0         1         1.50
Infantry Bay (8.0 tons)                      BD        0         1         8.00
Cargo, Insulated (2.0 tons)                  BD        0         1         2.00
@LMG (1/2) (100)                             BD        -         0         0.50
@Light AC/5 (20)                             BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 7
3w         1       1       0       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ECM, STL, EE, TUR(1/1/0)