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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #990 on: 05 December 2017, 20:55:40 »
Certainly C-130s can, though the pictures below I think was just demonstrative purposes they could do it.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #991 on: 05 December 2017, 21:33:07 »
Yep. They did a total of 21 tests, gave the pilot a Distinguished Flying Cross, new underpants and never tried it again.

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #992 on: 05 December 2017, 21:37:36 »
If we are going to talk big aircraft near/on aircraft carriers then:







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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #993 on: 05 December 2017, 22:11:05 »
F-111?  Nice...

Looks like USS Zumwalt's sister ship is undergoing trials now, USS Michael Monsoor DDG 1001.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #994 on: 06 December 2017, 00:16:52 »
F-111?  Nice...

Sea Trials of the prototype F-111B trials aboard USS Coral Sea.

Would you like to know more? https://youtu.be/UxDV9y5Is64
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #995 on: 06 December 2017, 00:58:28 »
Fixed for you  O0

From what I've read, the pilot was cool as a cucumber. It was everyone else that wore brown trousers for the duration of the tests.

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #996 on: 06 December 2017, 01:44:25 »
if my research was right, the C-130 tests actually proved fairly viable, in terms of takeoffs and landings. the reason it was never picked up was that the sheer size of the plane and the deck area that would have to be cleared to let it land and take off was just so large that it was a major disruption to operations, and would limit the number of planes that could be carried in the air wing (since they wouldn't be able to park as many on deck, in order to be able to clear them out of the way.)

so instead they developed a smaller Carrier delivery craft, the C-1 Trader, that could operate off carriers using the same catapult and arrester wire set ups as the fighters, and which would be more easily slotted into normal deck operations.

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« Reply #997 on: 06 December 2017, 04:09:01 »
I recall reading that at one point, just to see if it would work, the pilot threw the plane into full reverse on the props while he was still about 10 feet above the deck.  The total landing run from wheels-down to stop at that point was something idiotic like 30 feet, without a tailhook.

If we are going to talk big aircraft near/on aircraft carriers then:


I always dug that short Vought nose on the early -111, before it got the extension.  It seriously gives the cockpit a look like the F-8.






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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #998 on: 06 December 2017, 06:42:56 »
if my research was right, the C-130 tests actually proved fairly viable, in terms of takeoffs and landings. the reason it was never picked up was that the sheer size of the plane and the deck area that would have to be cleared to let it land and take off was just so large that it was a major disruption to operations, and would limit the number of planes that could be carried in the air wing (since they wouldn't be able to park as many on deck, in order to be able to clear them out of the way.)

so instead they developed a smaller Carrier delivery craft, the C-1 Trader, that could operate off carriers using the same catapult and arrester wire set ups as the fighters, and which would be more easily slotted into normal deck operations.

Yup. I found a video! https://youtu.be/ar-poc38C84
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #999 on: 06 December 2017, 06:45:40 »
I recall reading that at one point, just to see if it would work, the pilot threw the plane into full reverse on the props while he was still about 10 feet above the deck.  The total landing run from wheels-down to stop at that point was something idiotic like 30 feet, without a tailhook.

I wonder how the A-5 Vigilante was handled.  I almost mistook the F-111 for it.  She was just recon jet by the time F-111 came around.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1000 on: 06 December 2017, 08:38:26 »
Not sure if the F-111B had the problem, but the shot of it with the engines lit reminds me of the early trials of the Tomcat, when they found that the current blast deflectors on board the carriers were just fine for the Intruder, the Corsair, even the Phantom, but... not so much for the Turkey. (This was one of several reasons the Midway and Coral Sea never operated Tomcats, actually)

In this particular instance, the Tomcat lit both engines, knocked down the deflector, and melted the nose of the RA-5 on the other side. I'm trying to find the photo of the RA-5 afterwards, it's in a book I used to own- everything forward of the cockpit is just sort of drooping Concorde-style. Oops.

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1001 on: 06 December 2017, 09:35:00 »
With the nose gear being longer on the A-5 i'm sure that the plane scrapped a couple of times on the carrier. The A-5 was a physically a big plane, but not in the weight department. The Midways did operate them for a little bit. The F-14 and the S-3 I guess was to much for them. 

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1002 on: 06 December 2017, 11:36:36 »
Not sure if the F-111B had the problem, but the shot of it with the engines lit reminds me of the early trials of the Tomcat, when they found that the current blast deflectors on board the carriers were just fine for the Intruder, the Corsair, even the Phantom, but... not so much for the Turkey. (This was one of several reasons the Midway and Coral Sea never operated Tomcats, actually)

In this particular instance, the Tomcat lit both engines, knocked down the deflector, and melted the nose of the RA-5 on the other side. I'm trying to find the photo of the RA-5 afterwards, it's in a book I used to own- everything forward of the cockpit is just sort of drooping Concorde-style. Oops.


Bearing in mind a little allowance for foreshortening effect, thats a fair visual comparison with the Hornet in the background.

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1003 on: 06 December 2017, 15:11:47 »
If my memory serves me correctly, the Tomcat uses the same engines, the Pratt & Whitney TF30, as the F-111B, although the variant of the engine may differ. So you can probably expect similar issues would have arisen if the F-111B had made it into service.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1005 on: 06 December 2017, 17:29:34 »
The non-skid must have been hell on the wing tips...

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1006 on: 06 December 2017, 18:29:25 »
Hate to make an image of a U2 carrying a Rad-Egg landing on one of these and miss...

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1007 on: 06 December 2017, 19:21:26 »
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1008 on: 07 December 2017, 05:19:09 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM5AI3YSV3M

also, this experiment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8HMPMYL19E
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1009 on: 07 December 2017, 07:07:41 »
What surprised me was the C130 taking off the much shorter angled deck.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1010 on: 07 December 2017, 07:19:18 »
Much shorter, but much wider.
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1011 on: 07 December 2017, 07:23:44 »
I didn't know this ship existed, but this is a 1:1 scale replica/reconstruction of the Imperial Chinese Navy's Dingyuan armoured cruiser / Ironclad.  The original ship was launched in 1885 as the flagship of the Beiyang Fleet during the First Sino-Japanese War.  The original ship had incredible amount of bad luck and wasn't as well designed.  Ultimately the ship was sunk by scuttling, to avoid capture just before the fleet surrendered.

I was sort amazed a Imperial ship recreated by Chinese.  What i was reading this replica fixed some of the problems with the original was the layout of the flying bridge, because it basically blocked the ship's main gun turrets from firing or risk blasting the occupants.  There isn't terrible alot information on the Replica itself.

Pretty nice reconstruction!



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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1012 on: 07 December 2017, 20:27:45 »
Great reconstruction!
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1013 on: 09 December 2017, 09:16:46 »
A leedle British humour at the commissioning of the HMS Queen Elizabeth, the Royal Navy's first aircraft carrier in I don't know how long (aircraft pending)





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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1014 on: 09 December 2017, 12:01:00 »
LOL, i hope Queen didn't mind the sense of humor injected into the cake. That's awesome. :)
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1015 on: 09 December 2017, 13:22:58 »
since it is being discussed over in the AFV thread..

the AMOS mortar system, on the CB90 patrol boat. video shows why they decided not to mount the system on the boat, and work on a bigger boat for it. (might be cancelled now, since the AMOS was)

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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1016 on: 09 December 2017, 13:46:11 »
Stridsbat 2010 Ny was cancelled in 2009 since its only purpose was to carry AMOS.

They might still - with different armament - have made sense as a replacement of the similar-sized Tapper class patrol vessels (23m boats, 62 tons displacement, 12 boats) which served as patrol and ASW units with crews from the Swedish Amphibious Corps. The Tapper class was subsequently supposed to retire in 2014 but they have been retained for Rule 4 reasons.


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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1017 on: 11 December 2017, 06:25:42 »
Nice shot of a Zubr-class hovercraft



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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1018 on: 11 December 2017, 06:57:53 »
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Re: Naval Pictures Forecastle: Laying siege to the poop deck!
« Reply #1019 on: 11 December 2017, 08:24:46 »
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