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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1440 on: 19 October 2016, 17:58:21 »
Useful. Not many asf have captured a warship.
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« Reply #1441 on: 19 October 2016, 23:46:56 »
If you want to patrol, use ASF, if you want to fight, then yes the ability to be launched from a dropper to maneuver on their own to attack a hull or surface of an airless rock. Most mechs don't have the reaction mass, other than jumpjets, that can't turn around fast enough to slow down. There IS no turning or sidejumps in space... S-Teams do have that niche, but they aren't slowed down by a cable if the " fall "off a non-gravity.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1442 on: 20 October 2016, 16:16:53 »
Useful. Not many asf have captured a warship.
I would use Elementals for that.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1443 on: 22 October 2016, 07:39:13 »
Soo niche, they should have been Omnimech loadouts.

Definitely niche, but maybe we are building them as we don't build many omnimech's any more?

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1444 on: 22 October 2016, 07:58:48 »
I'd say they fill a niche, and fill it well, but they are super specialised and probably rather rare.
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1445 on: 11 March 2017, 19:05:56 »
Greetings, new around here (and new to BT in general)

Since I have already developed a thing for Snow Ravens, I have a few questions regarding their Touman.
A) How many active WarShips do they actually have right now? (post-Jihad)
B) Are Snow Raven AeroSpace pilots actually any better (on average, that is) than the ones found in the Toumans of the other Clans or their IS counterparts?
C) Was the 6th Raven Battle Cluster commanded by Indrick Boreale or something?

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« Reply #1446 on: 11 March 2017, 21:17:38 »
First off, welcome to the boards!

a) As of 3145 the Raven fleet is 17 warships supported by the necessary dropships and fighters. The Wars of Reaving and Jihad took a major toll on the fleet.

b) Compared to other Clans, not really. Compared to the IS, moderately. The Clan system is more designed to get the same or slightly better result from a smaller population.

c) Um, no.


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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1447 on: 12 March 2017, 08:51:56 »
A quick check of FM: 3145 shows that aerospace clusters for the Ravens have a higher skill level than the ground forces.  Because the Ravens bid fighters in where other clans would bid mechs, they have better pilots than other clans simply because they get the experience.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1448 on: 16 March 2017, 18:11:42 »
Hello Unkindness. Been a while. How are my fine feathered friends?

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« Reply #1449 on: 16 March 2017, 18:18:00 »
Feathered. And fine. ;)

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1450 on: 16 March 2017, 18:19:48 »
Good to hear. Sometimes we all need a port in the storm.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1451 on: 16 March 2017, 18:20:27 »
Teaching upwards of six to eight new players on Saturday. Wish me luck!

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1452 on: 16 March 2017, 18:21:40 »
Good to hear. Sometimes we all need a port in the storm.
'Tis true.

I wish we had some new Raveny stuff to discuss, but alas, we do not.

Teaching upwards of six to eight new players on Saturday. Wish me luck!

Whoa! Good luck!


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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1453 on: 16 March 2017, 18:22:51 »
Should be fun.

And at least the Ravens survived.

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« Reply #1454 on: 16 March 2017, 19:19:30 »
Teaching upwards of six to eight new players on Saturday. Wish me luck!
Good luck, show those players how it is done!
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« Reply #1455 on: 17 March 2017, 17:55:30 »
Teaching upwards of six to eight new players on Saturday. Wish me luck!
I'm running Alpha Strike demos at I-Con tomorrow and Sunday.  Maybe I'll do the same.  Good luck.

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« Reply #1456 on: 17 March 2017, 18:17:59 »
Good luck to you as well.

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« Reply #1457 on: 18 March 2017, 08:37:37 »
Thanks! O0

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1458 on: 19 March 2017, 10:41:34 »
The tutorial game went great yesterday. Five players who all had fun and a sixth person who did not play but watched and got interested in the game.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1459 on: 20 March 2017, 16:45:38 »
For the weekend, 7 players and two watchers.

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« Reply #1460 on: 20 March 2017, 16:55:17 »
Not bad. Sounds like good times for both of you.


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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1461 on: 03 April 2017, 21:58:21 »
Question: What roll do you want the Outworlds Alliance to play with the Ravens?
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1462 on: 04 April 2017, 06:31:09 »
Question: What roll do you want the Outworlds Alliance to play with the Ravens?

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« Reply #1463 on: 04 April 2017, 09:29:04 »
Question: What roll do you want the Outworlds Alliance to play with the Ravens?

I've long thought that the Outworlders would be a perfect fit for what would be the civilian castes. Have them be the builders, farmers, merchants and scientists. Have the Clan look after all martial aspects. The Outworlders never liked the military anyway, so make it so that's no longer their concern.

Although, I would also encourage random testing, bringing more Outworlders into the touman, maybe even using the most promising to replenish the breeding program (ie. new bloodnames).


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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1464 on: 06 April 2017, 10:48:35 »
I've long thought that the Outworlders would be a perfect fit for what would be the civilian castes. Have them be the builders, farmers, merchants and scientists. Have the Clan look after all martial aspects. The Outworlders never liked the military anyway, so make it so that's no longer their concern.

Absolutely not.  The Ravens would have to make key critical changes before they would fit in.  As far as I am aware there is no indication that the Ravens' warrior caste made any major changes to the caste system with regards to controlling who they have children with, which caste they belong to, salary, where and when they can go, property rights, etc.  If they tried to adopt them into the caste system they would have to do so by force as there would be widespread outcry, riots, etc not to mention how much chaos/change trying to integrate all the non-Clanners into the Clan especially with all the unClanlike ideas.  Not to mention the risk of granting possible enemies access to sensitive areas.

Just consider how much chaos simply integrating the Ravens into the Alliance caused (specifically the succession of a number of worlds from the Alliance) or the Ghost Bear Dominion merger with the FRR (which resulted in fighting breaking out when a number of FRR units violently resisted demobilization after failed testing).  One also can't forget the Raven paranoia which takes a lot to overcome.  Which is why the Outworlders were kept separate and permitted to keep their own nominal governmental system albeit one subordinate to the Raven Khans (giving the Outworlders the illusion of freedom).

It is simply too big of a headache for the Raven Khans to bother with for too little gain.  That isn't to say that they don't absorb some Outworlders who have proven themselves just not large numbers at a time.
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1465 on: 06 April 2017, 17:33:54 »
Archangel, mind your manners.  Instead of "Absolutely not", might I suggest "I disagree."  The use of "Absolutely not" implies that his comments are self-evidently foolish.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1466 on: 18 April 2017, 06:14:27 »
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1467 on: 18 April 2017, 07:12:40 »
Somebody hit the Battletech universe with a temporal freeze ray which so far has prevented events from moving beyond 3150.  When we last saw her, Sterling McKenna was paused with her finger hovering just over a big red button at the fire control station of her shiny new Leviathan III.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1468 on: 18 April 2017, 20:59:33 »
I think she is actually touching the said big red button.... just frozen with anticipation.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1469 on: 19 April 2017, 12:21:49 »
I think she is actually touching the said big red button.... just frozen with anticipation.

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