X-Wing and Starwars fleet scale game?

[glitterboy2098]

If you go with Rebels, and we did not see any other TIE starfighter types in Rogue One as well aside from the air battle, it would be 12 TIE Fighter squadrons; 6 for each ISD's complement. Not counting the garrison's complement (well it was mostly TIE Strikers) on the ground and on the gate structure.

Bear in mind, Armada doesn't have TIE Striker yet and there is no fast Fighter-Bomber (It's a two-seater with bomb capability and is incredibly fast for that) that could stand in for it besides the TIE Defender which has shields and ion cannons and would be more expensive.

the gate-base launched at least another 6 squadrons woirth

[I am Belch II]

Firepower of 2 ISDs and multiple Squads of Fighters, and the Imperials were still on the short end of the battle until Darth Vader showed up.

[HobbesHurlbut]

Firepower of 2 ISDs and multiple Squads of Fighters, and the Imperials were still on the short end of the battle until Darth Vader showed up.

With his ISD I Devastator (being Last of ISD I before lines switched over to II, she's surprisingly competitive with II due to modifications) that's not your typical ISD I. Against a fleet that had just taken a beating from two ISD Is. Until He shown up, the Imperial Garrison had essentially lost the battle with both ISD Is destroyed and probably all TIE squadrons routed.

[iamfanboy]

I think a strong case could be made for each stand counting as 6 fighters, and 2 stands being a squadron - players place two at a time, and in the Squadron phase move two at a time.

I also found a really great blog that looks at the ships and commanders from a current standpoint, rather than one dating back to its wave of release: Cannot Get Your Ship Out is written by two people and I love it just for the name.

[HobbesHurlbut]

It's easier to see the squadron stand as representing a full squadron of 12 fighters because it's abstract.

[glitterboy2098]

true, but that also means that the typical player's fleet (with 1/4 to 1/3rd the total points devoted to fighters) has far more fighters involved than the Rebel alliance ever gathered in one place, even for such major assaults as the death star 2 or Scarif.

if one squadron is multiple stands, that disparity is no longer as much of an issue.

[I am Belch II]

I always thought a Star Wars Squadron was 12 fighters.

[glitterboy2098]

I always thought a Star Wars Squadron was 12 fighters.

it is. the question is how many fighter stands that equates to. for example, whether this;


represents 6 squadrons (IE: 72 fighters), or only 1.5 (18 fighters) or something in between.

[Daemion]

They really do look better painted, don't they?

 O0

[I am Belch II]

That is a nice paint job on those small fighters.

[glitterboy2098]

it's just an image i found in pinterest that i figured would illustrate the point.

another one i found. (here:  https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/174056-dwrrs-shipyard/ )


so is that 9 squadrons*, or only 2 1/4?



*(3x more than any rebel fleet in the films)

[I am Belch II]

I use 3 fighters on a stand as Squadron or even a Star in Battletech

[HobbesHurlbut]

That is how Armada treat them as. a Single stand, even if it's 3 miniatures, is a full squadron in the game. Again, abstract for sake of gameplay.

[Scotty]

That is how Armada treat them as. a Single stand, even if it's 3 miniatures, is a full squadron in the game. Again, abstract for sake of gameplay.

Armada never says a thing about how many fighters are in a squadron, and begs the question why two dozen X-wings all firing at a single target (say, a Falcon, or a YV-666) simultaneously can fail to destroy it on average.

The simplest answer is that what is called and represented as a "squadron" in Armada is not actually 12 fighters.

[HobbesHurlbut]

Oh my gods! At what point do yall ignored the very word "abstract"?! In Armada Game, The starfighter stand, regardless of the fact that it has three MINIATURES on it, is considered a full squadron  IN game. NOT IN UNIVERSE!

[Weirdo]

Welcome to a gaming forum on the internet. Regret your stay. ;)

[(SMD)MadCow]

Oh my gods! At what point do yall ignored the very word "abstract"?! In Armada Game, The starfighter stand, regardless of the fact that it has three MINIATURES on it, is considered a full squadron  IN game. NOT IN UNIVERSE!

Dude, I get you. People get hung up on completely irrelevant details.
I have to deal with scale tryhards in STAW. Who cares what scale the minis are in when the base plates make a shuttle the same size as a Warbird anyway?

[I am Belch II]

In game and real life is always different.

[Charlie 6]

In game and real life is always different.

By way of a real life example: a military Service I am familiar with has squadrons populated by aircraft numbering 12, 14, 16, and 27 depending airframe.

Armada is an abstract of a fiction.  So have fun!

S/F

Matt

[iamfanboy]

Oh my gods! At what point do yall ignored the very word "abstract"?! In Armada Game, The starfighter stand, regardless of the fact that it has three MINIATURES on it, is considered a full squadron  IN game. NOT IN UNIVERSE!

Well, there are arguments for that and against it - the fact that you place fighter stands two at a time and activate two at a time could mean that they're in elements of six, and a pair equals a single squadron...

But really, it doesn't matter. I think, when I get around to magnetizing and painting my fighters, I may only put one to a stand when it's a hero character (and may paint up one for each hero individually, even if they're in a squadron most of the time!) and keep three when it's not. Nice visual way to distinguish them.

[HobbesHurlbut]

Well, there are arguments for that and against it - the fact that you place fighter stands two at a time and activate two at a time could mean that they're in elements of six, and a pair equals a single squadron...

Or they're starfighters, having better movement and reaction than a big lumbering starship.  ;D

[I am Belch II]

A fighter squad should move better and be more maneuverable then a capital ship.

[Daemion]

So, scale issues aside, can anyone tell me what fighter cards come with the Rebel Transport?

[(SMD)MadCow]

Wes Janson
Jek Porkins
Tarn Mison
Hobby Klivian

[HobbesHurlbut]

the gate-base launched at least another 6 squadrons woirth

You know that is still an amazing sight. We never saw the Empire *launch* a TIE swarm itself in the movies before this.

[Daemion]

Wes Janson
Jek Porkins
Tarn Mison
Hobby Klivian

Thanks.

And which Tie Pilots come with the Assault Carrier?

[Daemion]

You know that is still an amazing sight. We never saw the Empire *launch* a TIE swarm itself in the movies before this.

It is impressive. I mean, I know we saw the swarms of Tie Patrols around the 2nd Death Star, but we didn't see them scramble.

I'm waiting for the massive fleet engagement to make an appearance - with hundreds of warships to a side.



Back to Fighter Squadron Scale - in Armada, all that really matters is that a stand is a stand, and it costs so many points to field, in a limited point pool. Regardless of the fact that the damage for certain large ships scales consistently with how they're treated in X-Wing, as long as those two bits are accounted for, it really doesn't matter. (I'll have fun imagining my 3 fighters per stand are wiping out your 6-12 when a stand is eliminated, if that's what you're telling me during the game.) ;)

And, that brings up an interesting idea: a means of differentiating firepower for older tech.

[I am Belch II]

I thought it was good showing to have your fleet sitting peaceful and you garrison enjoying the sun on a planet to mounting a counter attack to the Rebels attack on Scarrif. Sure they ended up the losing side of the battle until Darth Vader showed up. There was even a shot on the planet with Erso and other science officers when a Tie Fighter was launched made a turn and shot at the attacking rebels. 
It was nice seeing the Fighter Swarm launch like that out of the Gate it would off been neat to see all the fighters launch like that at the Battle of Endor. 

[(SMD)MadCow]

Thanks.

And which Tie Pilots come with the Assault Carrier?

Scourge
Youngster
Wampa
Chaser

[Daemion]

So, I'll be digging out my Armada pieces again, soon, and probably going over the rules a second time. But, I'm curious if anyone can answer me right off the top what the standard point value for a basic game of Armada is, and what would you recommend beyond fighter expansions to fill in what the core box doesn't cover to reach that minimum?

Thanks.