Looking for Lyran Commonwealth 'Mechs from TRO 3039

[TimmyTheNerd]

So far I have this list of Mechs made by Lyran corporations, or at least corporations in Lyran territory, from TRO 3039. No idea if I missed any and I didn't put any specific variants down yet.

-Common-
Commando
Firestarter
Zeus
Bashee
Atlas

-First in Centuries-
Wolfhound
Hatchetman

-Star League-
Sentinel
Flashman

-Project Phoenix-
Stinger
Wasp
Phoenix Hawk
Griffin
Crusader

I'm trying to build the list for my shop's upcoming Battletech Campaign that will start during the Late Succession Wars. Basically just a list of Mechs that I can consider taking into the campaign.

[Mattlov]

While they make Banshees and Atlas, I'm not sure I'd call them common.

It's about right.  But late Succession Wars, especially leading to and after the 4th, you can add common Davion designs as well. 

The occasional FWL or DC 'Mech as salvage wouldn't be out of place.  Probably not many due to stigma, especially Combine 'Mechs.

But many designs were still common.  You'd still be able to have Marauders, Centurions, Hunchbacks, Whitworths, and most of the "common" 3025 designs.  While they weren't necessarily made there, they were exceptionally prolific.  Fluff states over 100,000 Archers were built, so it's easy to imagine one or three lying around EVERYWHERE.  :)

[Saint]

MUL will be a big help here, just select Faction  (Lyran Commonwealth) and Late Succession Wars and you will get a good idea of what they have access to.

[Liam's Ghost]

Locusts, Warhammers, Archers, Thunderbolts, and Battlemasters were all built in Lyran space during that era. The Archer, Thunderbolt, and Battlemaster each even had Lyran specific variants available.

[Xotl]

My RAT collection has a faction list section that lists every mech in service with a faction and a rough commonality of each.  It should do what you need.

[Dubble_g]

I never liked the idea of having more than 1-2 "signature" or "flavor" models per faction. Choice feels too restricted otherwise, plus especially in the Succession War period you'd expect units to be a ramshackle collection of whatever could be salvaged or brought in by whatever heirloom 'Mechs the soldiers owned.

So for example:
Steiner -- Commando, Zeus
Davion -- Valkyrie, Enforcer
Kurita -- Panther, Dragon
Marik -- Hermes II
Liao -- Vindicator

[pensiveswetness]

I never liked the idea of having more than 1-2 "signature" or "flavor" models per faction. Choice feels too restricted otherwise, plus especially in the Succession War period you'd expect units to be a ramshackle collection of whatever could be salvaged or brought in by whatever heirloom 'Mechs the soldiers owned.

So for example:
Steiner -- Commando, Zeus
Davion -- Valkyrie, Enforcer
Kurita -- Panther, Dragon
Marik -- Hermes II, Orions by the buttload
Liao -- Vindicator

There, fixed your list :)

[TimmyTheNerd]

I never liked the idea of having more than 1-2 "signature" or "flavor" models per faction. Choice feels too restricted otherwise, plus especially in the Succession War period you'd expect units to be a ramshackle collection of whatever could be salvaged or brought in by whatever heirloom 'Mechs the soldiers owned.

So for example:
Steiner -- Commando, Zeus
Davion -- Valkyrie, Enforcer
Kurita -- Panther, Dragon
Marik -- Hermes II
Liao -- Vindicator

Steiner actually has 4 in TRO 3039. Commando, Zeus, Wolfhound and Hatchetman.

[Frabby]

I seem to recall they also built the ubiquitous (for an assault 'Mech anyways) Stalker on, uh, Sudeten I think. And they built, or at least maintained, a larger-than-usual number of the rate Goliath according to fluff.

[Moonsword]

They also build the Warhammer (Olivetti), Longbow (StarCorps), Rifleman (Trellshire), BattleMaster (Red Devil), and Archer (Bowie).  I think they may have a Marauder, Thunderbolt, and Locust line at that time as well as well as another Warhammer line with StarCorps.

The Goliath line in that era is on Corean in the Free Worlds League but you're correct that they maintain a number of Goliaths.

For general availability, though, I recommend the MUL.  Factions have access to significantly more variants than just those they build.

[snewsom2997]

Seems the LC had a factory for at least most of the unseen designs and many of the TRO3039 designs, including downgraded 2750 mechs.

However I agree with previous posters, by 3025, you are just as likely to find DCMS or FWL salvage, like Awesomes, Dragons, Jenners, Hermes, etc. By 3039 you would start to see designs like the Victor, Enforcer, and Valkyrie, from the Davions. By the 3050's the Fedcom had fought everyone, there is a good chance to justify any mech being fielded by the Lyrans.

[Sartris]

MUL will be a big help here, just select Faction  (Lyran Commonwealth) and Late Succession Wars and you will get a good idea of what they have access to.

here are the mechs the MUL says are available to the Lyrans ca. 3020-3049. Not all of them were necessarily manufactured in the LC, but if they're listed on the MUL, it means they were a fairly common sight in LCAF regiments
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=&HasBV=true&HasBV=false&MinTons=&MaxTons=&MinBV=&MaxBV=&MinIntro=&MaxIntro=&MinCost=&MaxCost=&HasRole=&HasBFAbility=&MinPV=&MaxPV=&Role=None+Selected&Types=18&BookAuto=&FactionAuto=&Factions=60&AvailableEras=256

and the inner sphere general list, which are units found pretty much everywhere
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=&HasBV=true&HasBV=false&MinTons=&MaxTons=&MinBV=&MaxBV=&MinIntro=&MaxIntro=&MinCost=&MaxCost=&HasRole=&HasBFAbility=&MinPV=&MaxPV=&Role=None+Selected&Types=18&BookAuto=&FactionAuto=&Factions=55&AvailableEras=256

[O5P_Ghost]

Lyran light lance with Infantry support

3 Atlas
1 Zeus

4 Commandos (heavy Infantry)

 >:D >:D >:D >:D

Thanks, I'll be here all night!

[RunandFindOut]

Lyran Mechanized Infantry Lance

Mobile Structure with Mech Bays
12 Commandos

[Hellraiser]

-Common-
Commando
Firestarter
Zeus
Bashee
Atlas

-First in Centuries-
Wolfhound
Hatchetman

-Star League-
Sentinel
Flashman

-Project Phoenix-
Stinger
Wasp
Phoenix Hawk
Griffin
Crusader

Produced by the LyrCom in 3025, from memory....

Locust, Stinger, Wasp, Commando, Firestarter, Wolfhound
Vulcan, PhoenixHawk, Hatchetman, Griffin, Sentinel
Rifleman, Crusader, T-Bolt, Archer, Warhammer, Marauder, Flashman
Zeus, Battlemaster, Longbow, Stalker, Banshee, Atlas

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Isn't the Orion supposed to be a common mech in Steiner formations due to how many have been captured over the centuries?

[The Mad Hatter]

This might help you determine how "common" something is.  I've gone through Xotl's list and figured out, based on his numbers, what percentage each mech is roughly of the total mechs fielded by the LC in the 3028 period.   These numbers don't represent what was built there, just the % of total mechs of that type within a weight class.  For example, WSP-1A Wasps made up 20% of the total Lyran Commonwealth light mechs in 3028.  So going by this, you can see overall what the more commonly used designs were according to Xotl's work (which I consider the definitive source on this matter). 

Light                          Percentage
WSP-1A Wasp                   20%
COM-2D Commando          12%
STG-3R Stinger                   12%
LCT-1S Locust                  12%
FS9-H Firestarter           8%
UM-R60 UrbanMech           6%
COM-3A Commando          4%
STG-3G Stinger                  4%
   
Medium                          Percentage
GRF-1N Griffin                  15%
PXH-1 Phoenix Hawk           15%
GRF-1S Griffin                  8%
WVR-6R Wolverine           8%
VL-2T Vulcan                  8%
SHD-2H Shadow Hawk      7%
DV-6M Dervish                 3%
HBK-4G Hunchback          3%
BJ-1 Blackjack                  3%
TBT-5N Trebuchet          3%
WTH-1 Whitworth          3%
   
Heavy                         Percentage
ARC-2R Archer                  12%
WHM-6R Warhammer       12%
ARC-2S Archer                 8%
TDR-5SS Thunderbolt         8%
CRD-3R Crusader         8%
RFL-3N Rifleman         8%
OTL-4D Ostsol                 6%
GHR-5H Grasshopper         4%
ON1-K Orion                 4%
FLS-7K Flashman         4%
TDR-5S Thunderbolt          3%
MAD-3D Marauder         3%
   
Assault                         Percentage
ZEU-6S Zeus                 21%
STK-3F Stalker                 13%
BNC-3E Banshee         8%
BLR-1G BattleMaster         6%
AWS-8Q Awesome         6%
LGB-0W Longbow         6%
STC-2C Striker                 4%
HGN-733 Highlander         3%
LGB-7Q Longbow         3%
VTR-9B Victor                 3%
CP-10-Z Cyclops         3%

Hope this helps!

[Hellraiser]

So going by this, you can see overall what the more commonly used designs were according to Xotl's work (which I consider the definitive source on this matter). 

I've seen his lists before, but where is the info from?

[Iron Grenadier]

Produced by the LyrCom in 3025, from memory....

Locust, Stinger, Wasp, Commando, Firestarter, Wolfhound
Vulcan, PhoenixHawk, Hatchetman, Griffin, Sentinel
Rifleman, Crusader, T-Bolt, Archer, Warhammer, Marauder, Flashman
Zeus, Battlemaster, Longbow, Stalker, Banshee, Atlas

That list looks pretty good to me for what they are producing back then, which is what the OP was looking for.

I think to add to Hellraiser's list might be the
Highlander 733 on Son Hoa - started I think in mid 3030's?
Devastator DVS-1 on Loxley - started in 3036

[Hellraiser]

That list looks pretty good to me for what they are producing back then, which is what the OP was looking for.

I think to add to Hellraiser's list might be the
Highlander 733 on Son Hoa - started I think in mid 3030's?
Devastator DVS-1 on Loxley - started in 3036

Pretty sure the fluff for the Highlander was just refits & rebuilds in the SW era till like 3055 when they were able put the 732 into full production.
I want to say the fluff was the CapCon was able to do full production but the Lyrans were only rebuilding damaged chassis.

[Iron Grenadier]

Could be - I was going from memory on the Highlander entry on Sarna.net.

[sadlerbw]

Somewhere, I know it was mentioned that the Lyrans were the only non-ironic users of the Charger as a recon mech. They didn't make them, but did get a fair few as salvage from the DC.

[Liam's Ghost]

You might be thinking of the Capellans, who received chargers from the combine and even turned out a rather frightening variant.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Somewhere, I know it was mentioned that the Lyrans were the only non-ironic users of the Charger as a recon mech. They didn't make them, but did get a fair few as salvage from the DC.

IIRC, the Lyrans converted most of their Chargers to the Challenger variant.

[Hellraiser]

Could be - I was going from memory on the Highlander entry on Sarna.net.

So it was a little of what we both thought.

Star Corps, Son Hoa, factory was devastated in the early Succession Wars.

Hollis Inc, Corey, factory licensed the design from them for the rebuilds to 733 specs some time in the 2nd/3rd SW for the CC.

They lost that factory in the 4th SW.

Then in the mid-3030's the original Son Hoa factory started doing the refit/rebuild of the 733 that Hollis had originally created.

Finally in 3057 full production was resumed w/ full specs for the 732 model.

[Hellraiser]

IIRC, the Lyrans converted most of their Chargers to the Challenger variant.

I've never heard this before.

Where is it from?

[nckestrel]

I've seen his lists before, but where is the info from?

It's Xotl's work.  He created it.  He's very attentive to every little canon detail he can, no matter how small, chooses a preference when it's contradictory, and then extrapolates from there, and then makes up whatever remains. 

[Hellraiser]

Hmm,  given that the variant was a BT Mag article about a single 1 off customization that a Merc unit did....  I'm not sure how it would be shifted to most the LC doing the same.

Sounds like wishful thinking, but I'd love to hear if there was some quote somewhere confirming it.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I've never heard this before.

Where is it from?

The original TRO 3025: it was a Charger dropped down to 3/5 with maxed armor and 4 large lasers.

[Hellraiser]

The original TRO 3025: it was a Charger dropped down to 3/5 with maxed armor and 4 large lasers.

I know the stats of the mech, but, the SB was not mentioned in the original TRO3025 at all.

Its not even mentioned in TRO 3039.

It came out of BT Magazine as a unique customization 1 off.

I was asking where the info about the Lyrans converting to that model is from.