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n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« on: 25 September 2017, 17:34:16 »
As it says in the title, I've been looking at a few models to start my collection, and I've come across this designation a few times.

I wanted to put together a Clan Invasion era force, and I like the idea of the Centurion, but I really don't like the old sculpt. The Centurion Prime however, is certainly a nicer looking model. So what's the difference?

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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #1 on: 25 September 2017, 17:50:28 »
"Prime" is a word used to describe OmniMechs - a particular subclass of BattleMechs.

BattleMechs are "fixed" configuration - so a Marauder MAD-3R has one set of weapons in particular placement, a MAD-9S has a different set of weapons on a similar chassis, but you'd need a major factory-style refit, typically, to change from one config to another.

OmniMechs are different, and in most ways better. The chassis and armour is set, but weapons & equipment can be changed around relatively easily - "plug and play", almost, given you've bought the weapons & equipment in appropriate pod-mounts. The Clans developed Omni tech first, but in later years the IS embraced it with various degrees of enthusiasm.

So let's start with the Mad Dog. It's a 60-ton OmniMech. Typically it loads up with a large and medium ER laser in each arm, and an LRM-20 with a ton of ammo in each torso. This particular configuration is the most common, and is labelled the "Prime". There are several other commonly occurring configurations available, replacing the weapons mentioned before with varying combinations of other good things. These are typically labelled the A, B, C, etc configs.

There are a number of moderately consistent 'odd' configs, mainly for Clan 'Mechs. H configs often carry Heavy Lasers. U configs are optimised for under water work. S configs suit urban terrain. But not always.

(Technically there's no reason why any Omni should have 'set' configs. It's done mainly for game balance, and to help opponents have some idea what a given Omni is carrying.)

Now the Centurion is slightly more complex (of course!) The Centurion BattleMech was developed in 2801 game time, and for three hundred years existed in a number of factory-built 'fixed' variants. In 3120 or thereabouts, a game faction too the time to develop an OmniMech based on the Centurion, which they called the Centurion. Players will typically call this new design a Centurion Omni. For reasons too long to go into here, the Centurion Omni looks quite different from the old Centurion - mainly due to artistic aesthetics changing between the 1980s and 2000s, rather than for any in-game reason ;)

So the Centurion Prime you like is the mini for the 3120s-era OmniMech, in its Prime configuration - cannon, missile launcher, and two lasers. Several standard omni configurations exist - some of which look similar to the Prime, some of which look very different (like the D config with axe and shield).

In game terms, it's not really an issue. BattleTech is not, and has never been, a WYSIWIG game. So you can quite happily use your Centurion OmniMech mini in play as a Prime config, a D config, or even as the older Centurion BattleMech, as long as you make sure your opponent knows what you're doing. If we can cope with bottlecaps, coins, and small statues of the Buddha being used to represent units - "proxying" - then this is a no-brainer O0

Given the Centurion OmniMech's Prime config is pretty much equivalent to the older version's, I'd say go wild!

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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #2 on: 25 September 2017, 17:50:45 »
PRime refers to an OmniMech and its Primary configuration. See here http://www.sarna.net/wiki/OmniMech

Since Omnis can quickly change their weapons the Config is important. You'll see a Centurion Prime, Cent A, Cent B etc.

Be aware that the Clans were the first to field Omnis so you'll see them more there. The Centurion is a Battlemech (not an Omni) while the Centurion Omni is a Davion redo of the chasis in the Post Jihad timeline. So the Cent Prime is not an old or even new sculpt but an entirely new Mech.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Centurion_(BattleMech)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Centurion_(OmniMech)
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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #3 on: 25 September 2017, 18:29:12 »
Both of these replies are brilliantly thorough and exactly what I needed. Many thanks to you both.

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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #4 on: 25 September 2017, 18:29:34 »
on miniatures, what it basically means is that the model is of an Omnimech, and represents it's primary config. it is to help seperate the figure out from the ones that represent one of the alternate configs.

so for example, a Blackhawk Prime (12 ER medium lasers) looks like this:

a Blackhawk A (2 ERPPC's and some MPL's)

a Blackhawk H (10 heavy medium lasers)


in the case of the Centurion Omni, you have this one, that is the Prime, and can also represent the C config


and the A config

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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #5 on: 25 September 2017, 18:34:10 »
If you're particularly fussy, and wanted to distinguish between "this Centurion Omni mini is the old BattleMech, and this one is the new OmniMech", just leave the doo-dads off the shoulder of the 'battlemech' version O0
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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #6 on: 26 September 2017, 00:21:40 »
Is "doo-dads" the canon technical term? 😂

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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #7 on: 26 September 2017, 00:32:35 »
It's a metric unit; you Imperial yankees wouldn't recognise it.

Three doo-dads are about equivalent to 5 greeblies, if that helps.
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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #8 on: 26 September 2017, 22:57:22 »
It's a metric unit; you Imperial yankees wouldn't recognise it.

Three doo-dads are about equivalent to 5 greeblies, if that helps.

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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #9 on: 27 September 2017, 06:57:27 »
It's a metric unit; you Imperial yankees wouldn't recognise it.

Three doo-dads are about equivalent to 5 greeblies, if that helps.

What is the equivalent in Thingamajigs?
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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #10 on: 27 September 2017, 07:10:36 »
Don't forget! There is a resculpt of that standard Centurion!





http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=9358

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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #11 on: 27 September 2017, 08:34:17 »
Thingamajigs are actual devices(albeit incomprehensible ones), so there's no direct conversion to greebles or doo-dads.

However, there is an old manuscript that is purported to describe "Hao mani græblies may dance upon th head of a thingiemaj" buried deep in the Vatican's vaults. If you can find it and translate it to a spelling-enabled language, you might be able to cobble together a rough conversion.
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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #12 on: 27 September 2017, 09:15:24 »
Oh, youz crazy kids and your greebles and thingamajiggers...

OK, more to the point. The thing to remember about an Omnimech is that it's modular. Which means it's snap-in and snap-out components. Which means that something to always remember is that the configurations in the books and such are commonly seen configurations for an Omni, but are hardly the only ones out there. When an Omnimech can carry almost any pod out there as payload, why limit oneself? A Vulture with twin LB-5Xs? Sure! A Daishi with an Ultra AC-20 in each arm? Why not! A Puma with a horde of ER medium lasers? Do it! Just because the TRO doesn't have a configuration matching what you want to do doesn't mean it's impossible. Hell, editing existing configs is reasonable- after all, who doesn't look at the Thor A and wish for a second ton of Gauss ammo at the cost of one ton of SRM ammo? Make it so!

Book configs are handy in that they mean you can print a sheet and be ready to go without taking a lot of time to create something from scratch first, but Omnimechs are flexible right to the limits of the tonnage/space available and the players' imagination- never forget that.
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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #13 on: 27 September 2017, 18:31:20 »
Don't forget! There is a resculpt of that standard Centurion!





http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=9358

This is actually perfect, and something that I had missed. The legs look bulkier, and much more appropriate. Thanks for sharing that.

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Re: n00b question - What is a 'Prime'?
« Reply #14 on: 28 September 2017, 06:37:42 »
This is actually perfect, and something that I had missed. The legs look bulkier, and much more appropriate. Thanks for sharing that.

Thanks! I actually was the sculptor!

It is more in-line with modern mechs from a scale perspective as well.  Should go nicely up next to those new "Classic" Shadow Hawks or anything made in the 21st century :)

 

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