Worst Resculpt?

[HikageMaru]

What's the worst resculpt?  I love the old Commando with the arm outstretched to the side---very dynamic and aggressive.  The current Commando with the deer-caught-in-headlights, "huh, is that missile headed towards me?" expression just doesn't do it for me.  What do y'all say?

[Doug Glendower]

As an avid champion of the Commando in it's classic "Holding a bag of loot" pose, I approve this message.

[JPArbiter]

not necessarily the worst re-sculpt, but I wish the "sleek charger" and the "Assault charger" were sold concurrently.

the NETC Vedettes are just plain silly compared to the old school tank looking ones.

[markhall]

Gotta agree with you on the Vedette front.
The new one just seems wrong.

I quite like the new commando. I see it as getting ready to unleash a little ball of fury.

[OverKill]

It's not any specific one as far as I am concerned... I am really not liking the single piece mechs.

The Centurion (yes, it comes in a whopping 2 pieces) and the Hermes II could be so much more bad ass if they were in a couple of pieces allowing for more dynamic posing. I know I haven't been in the miniature game a fraction as long as most of you guys but from my brief experience I really enjoy getting to be able to figure out how I want the stuff posed.

I was disappointed when my Hermes II showed up with it's left arm cocked out to the side pointing down. I was like "Ummm, WTH do I do with that?!?!?!"

[IAMCLANWOLF]

Banshee

[Shi_no_Kami]

Banshee

The Drunken Listing one? Yeah, thats bad... very bad.

But I have to agree on the Vedette... the pancake turret is just silly and way too unbalancing. 

[M-Rex]

Banshee

It has a pancake crotch.

[Burning Chrome]

Enforcer.

Lets take a mean looking mini that perfectly captured its namesake (and corrected a few errors - jump jets in those legs?  Rear Torso looked so much better and the crit placement should've been updated) and create an oversized-goofy-looking-unpolishable...well, you get my point.   [madflame]

I haven't seen a resculpted Hatchetman in person yet, but the leg mounted JJs are silly, TRO placement be damned.  Torso mounted, at least 2 in the center torso makes more sense to me.

Banshee is ridiculous as well...looks like a crotchety oldman screaming "get off my lawn".   :-\

Battleaxe.  Not sure if this counts, but the original BD, despite its primitive casting/faults/scale issues is way better than the IWM sculpt.

[SpiralFace]

Centurion by far.

Original Centurion in its old pose had weight to the entire thing.  It had some bulk to it that made it look better rounded.

The newer one looks fine if you ONLY veiw it from the front.  Its a pretty big example of a "pancake" sculp with the thing looking like something ran it over if you veiw it from the side.

[Col.Hengist]

Are we talking project phoenix here too? If we are put me down for the crusader.

 If not then the resculp thug. Seriously? i know it looks like the TRO but the legs are different and the extra piece for the srm 6? Really? It doesn't even fit well. Please bring back the old one.

[OverKill]

Are we talking project phoenix here too? If we are put me down for the crusader.

Agreed!! Thing looks like a robotic Waiter LOL

[SteelRaven]

Sunder, I don't understand why they needed to make the mech fatter.

Also, I like the design of the reseen Wolverin but the mini is just too skinny compared to the proportions in the artwork.
 

[HikageMaru]

I quite like the new commando. I see it as getting ready to unleash a little ball of fury.

Like it forgot the Beano.  "Pull my finger!"

[Papabees]

Sunder, I don't understand why they needed to make the mech fatter.

Are ye daft man! :D the Sunder is what every mech should be like, fat and mean.

[Doug Glendower]

I also quite despise the Verfolger.

[Shi_no_Kami]

Are we talking project phoenix here too? If we are put me down for the crusader.

Ah yes, very ugly... Pop-eye the Battlemech. You just wanna paint in old sailor uniforms with Anchors tattooed on the arms...

And the Verfolger is not a resculpt, its just naturally ugly from the get go.

What about the Wolfhound? I miss the old one with the ears.

[Stingray]

Rescuplt/reseen Galahad (clan)

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

What about the Wolfhound? I miss the old one with the ears.

No thanks, the original Wolfhound was way too cartoony.

I got one, the Blood Asp (first resculpt).  Ridiculously oversize and the arms are just stupid looking.

[markhall]

I like Both Versions of the Wolfhound. I don't think ether one is worse than the other.

[MistWolf]

Marauder

[markhall]

I had issues with the length of the Marauders arms. But removal of that extra Elbow bar makes it look a lot nicer.

[Shi_no_Kami]

Marauder

I actually like the new Marauder sculpts quite a bit.

But will most heartily agree with the original Blood Asp Sculpt, horrifyingly huge.

I thought of another one: I do not like the re-sculpt of the Conjuror (Hellhound). In particular I do not like the missile arm... and in general the sculpt is lacking in detail.

[Lorcan Nagle]

Sunder, I don't understand why they needed to make the mech fatter.

Aw hell no, I have the old and new Sunder minis and the new one is superior in just about every way. 

[HikageMaru]

I was really excited about the L.E. Catapult.  It actually looks great---until you stand it next to the current Catapult and realize it's out of scale (and the current Catapult is out of scale from the prior Catapult).  It's like each time they reinvent the Catapult, it puts on 20 tons.

[abou]

Enforcer.

Lets take a mean looking mini that perfectly captured its namesake (and corrected a few errors - jump jets in those legs?  Rear Torso looked so much better and the crit placement should've been updated) and create an oversized-goofy-looking-unpolishable...well, you get my point.   [madflame]

What?  The new sculpt is awesome.  And at least it's available.  IWM was pretty clear that an Enforcer would not be made available for sale by itself unless a resculpt was funded.  And having put forth a portion of the funds to get it sculpted, I am happy with the results.

[Rorke]

Marauder

Those horribly tall legs, i just won't use the mech anymore if i have to use such a horrid mini.

Oh and whilst not a resculpt, the Enfield.  For being sized like an Assault mech despite being a medium.

[Mastergunz]

Project Pheonix Galahad (Clan) and Crusader. Just terrible. #P

By far the worst re-sculpt is the Peregrine. One of the coolest looking pieces from the original clan mechs and they went and PP'ed it?! Same with the Galahad. Both went from sleek and sexy to ugh......

On a positive note; the PP Battlemaster is one of the best sculpts ever IMHO. To me it really captures what a mech should look like. I can easily see it painted up in US ARMY Urban camo and dominating the modern battlefield.

-Gunz

[M-Rex]

I would weight in on the Marauder, but not that it is ugly.  I like the sculpt.  However, it seems to me, of all of the Phoenix designs, the Marauder is the one that departed most from the original's theme.

When I think of a Phoenix Marauder, I see the Marauder IIC Phoenix design in my mind due mostly to the more sweeping curves and general appearance.

[HikageMaru]

What?  The new sculpt is awesome.  And at least it's available.  IWM was pretty clear that an Enforcer would not be made available for sale by itself unless a resculpt was funded.  And having put forth a portion of the funds to get it sculpted, I am happy with the results.

Why is that?

[Kiff_Stevenson]

Jenner IIC

The new one looks like a frog.  :P

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

The old one looked like the Enterprise with legs.

[greatsarcasmo]

Wait, the Enforcer has been resculpted? Crap.

[abou]

Yeah, it's been out for two years or so.

http://www.camospecs.com/MiniList.asp?Action=Detail&ID=738

And because I like to toot my own horn: http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,6189.15.html

[Burning Chrome]

Sorry, but those pics make my point.  (Nice work BTW)

The JJs on the legs are ridiculous and IMO the original RP mini is a better representation.

Proportions are off as well.

But, these are my observations and opinions.

If you are happy with it, great, enjoy it!

I'll stick to the original Enforcer mini.

I almost forgot another nominee for worst resculpt: the Vindicator! 

WTH happened?  The orignal was PERFECT!!!

Goofy pose, crappy job on the head/cockpit...seriously, why even bother?   [soapbox]

[HikageMaru]

I never like the Darth Vader look of the old Enforcer.

Agreed that the resculpted Vindicator was a step backward---perhaps if the arm were straighter or something.

[Tressel]

Battlemaster. The new one looks anorexic.

[Degman]

I totally like the resculpted Vindy  8)

[Kiff_Stevenson]

The old one looked like the Enterprise with legs.

Exactly.  8)

Re: the new Vindy - I agree that the old one was better. The old one looked like a cool robo-trooper from some 1950s sci-fi comic book. The new has a more ape-like feel to it IMHO.

(P.S. - It's very hard for me to say anything bad about the Vindicator in any of its incarnations.  ;))

[Col.Hengist]

Battlemaster. The new one looks anorexic.

 Thank you!

[Shi_no_Kami]

Battlemaster. The new one looks anorexic.

Never! The new one is a far far more dynamic model with a great deal more detail. The old Battlemasters always looked chunky and bloated like they need to lay off the cheese cake. 

I do miss the old Charger model... I wish we could have both the new and the old sculpt of it.

[Tressel]

Never! The new one is a far far more dynamic model with a great deal more detail. The old Battlemasters always looked chunky and bloated like they need to lay off the cheese cake.

Just seems too skinny. It's an assault mech. It should be big and beefy looking.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

It's beefy enough.  Not every assault mech has to look like a Fafnir.

[agen2]

Thug. :'(

[Callista]

I would weight in on the Marauder, but not that it is ugly.  I like the sculpt.  However, it seems to me, of all of the Phoenix designs, the Marauder is the one that departed most from the original's theme.

When I think of a Phoenix Marauder, I see the Marauder IIC Phoenix design in my mind due mostly to the more sweeping curves and general appearance.

It's the curves, it's missing all the curves and rounded, sleek edges.  :(

[dirty harry]

Mostly the Liao Marauder. Not only a totally different design (an affront to many people) but also a horrible mini. The one legged Liao Marauder is even worse than the Davion variant (maybe there are some lessons learnd).

But another atrocity would be the Behemoth. Although noone could really tell me were the gauss rifles of the old model were, it was cool looking. The new one is just fat with unproportioned weapons.

[StCptMara]

Blood Kite...the lack of a current scale resculpt makes the lack of said resculpt horrible and the worst resculpt
by its absence!

I mean..come on! the Adders got 2 Resculpts of their signature Assault Mech(the Blood Asp), and we Spirits are stuck
with one, dinky sculpt?

[Col.Hengist]

Blood Kite...the lack of a current scale resculpt makes the lack of said resculpt horrible and the worst resculpt
by its absence!

I mean..come on! the Adders got 2 Resculpts of their signature Assault Mech(the Blood Asp), and we Spirits are stuck
with one, dinky sculpt?

 I agree but its not a resculpt, its the original. It would be perfect for a current scale big medium or light heavy...compare the wolverine II to it.

 Other than it looking like the artwork, it needs a resculpt for a size adjustment.

[Papabees]

It's beefy enough.  Not every assault mech has to look like a Fafnir.

HERESY }:)

[Daishi411]

the sculpt of the blood asp is actually really nice IMO, good detail for a funny looking thing, and works with one of the pieces of art quite nicely, it is just really small like Col and Mara said. i'm not a stickler for scale so i don't want the sculpt to be bigger for that reason, i just want a mech as chunky as that on paper to feel that chunky in my hands. plus a blood kite 2 would be cool  8)

[HikageMaru]

the sculpt of the blood asp is actually really nice IMO, good detail for a funny looking thing, and works with one of the pieces of art quite nicely, it is just really small like Col and Mara said. i'm not a stickler for scale so i don't want the sculpt to be bigger for that reason, i just want a mech as chunky as that on paper to feel that chunky in my hands. plus a blood kite 2 would be cool  8)

You'd be more sensitive to scale if you wanted to have a regular Catapult and an L.E. Catapult in the same lance---the L.E. Catapult looks 20 tons heavier.  I was so disappointed when I saw its scale but otherwise I think it's a great miniature.

[Col.Hengist]

What about the plastech catapults. They're bigger than a mad IIc.

[HikageMaru]

What about the plastech catapults. They're bigger than a mad IIc.

And ugly to boot.

[Papabees]

You'd be more sensitive to scale if you wanted to have a regular Catapult and an L.E. Catapult in the same lance---the L.E. Catapult looks 20 tons heavier.  I was so disappointed when I saw its scale but otherwise I think it's a great miniature.

You could get another LE and cut the guns off and replace them with missile pods.

[HikageMaru]

You could get another LE and cut the guns off and replace them with missile pods.

It actually came with both guns and missile pods.  But the L.E. (a.k.a. Limited Edition) are kinda hard to come by.  I tried to see if I could attach the guns and missile pods with rare earth magnets, but it didn't work out so well for me.  C'est la vie.

[monty]

Galahad. Somebody parked a space station on top of it.

[StCptMara]

I agree but its not a resculpt, its the original. It would be perfect for a current scale big medium or light heavy...compare the wolverine II to it.

 Other than it looking like the artwork, it needs a resculpt for a size adjustment.

Hengist..you missed what I said: Because the Blood Kite does not have a resculpt, it makes the non-existant resculpt the worst because
it does not exist.

[Daishi411]

It actually came with both guns and missile pods.  But the L.E. (a.k.a. Limited Edition) are kinda hard to come by.  I tried to see if I could attach the guns and missile pods with rare earth magnets, but it didn't work out so well for me.  C'est la vie.

if that LE catapult ever became available as a regular mini it would be like a dream come true for me. that was one of the first minis i saw when i started collecting minis for the game, and when i ordered the catapult i thought it was that one. not that the one we have now isn't decent, i i was still disappointed, cause the LE one is amazing

[HikageMaru]

if that LE catapult ever became available as a regular mini it would be like a dream come true for me. that was one of the first minis i saw when i started collecting minis for the game, and when i ordered the catapult i thought it was that one. not that the one we have now isn't decent, i i was still disappointed, cause the LE one is amazing

I agree with you---I really like the L.E. and wouldn't lose too much sleep if it replaced the current iteration of the Catapult.  But its is still out of scale---they would need to put that thing on a 20-ton diet.

[IAMCLANWOLF]

The LE Catapult was my first sculpt, and while I was under a tight schedule - it was my lack of experience that lead to it's huge size... :-[

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Personally, I like it better than the standard Catapult.

[Col.Hengist]

Hengist..you missed what I said: Because the Blood Kite does not have a resculpt, it makes the non-existant resculpt the worst because
it does not exist.

 I think you just channeled Capt. Jack Sparrow lol.

I really love the L.E. cat and wish it would become the new sculpt. I can't stand the MW3 cat but i do like the smaller sleeker one. A mix between the L.E. and the smaller one would be perfect.

 Iamclanwolf...you have nothing to be sorry for. It is a sculpt that i waited 20 years for,ever since i read about the K2 in the '25. My bashes never came out as good.  Its beautiful and i wish i had more than 2.

[HikageMaru]

The LE Catapult was my first sculpt, and while I was under a tight schedule - it was my lack of experience that lead to it's huge size... :-[

Well, if that was your first sculpt, then those other sculptors better watch out because it's freakin' awesome.  I can give you a list of other minis I'd like to see resculpted....

[Col.Hengist]

How about the flashman. I like what we have but my avatar pic looks so much more bad ass. Can you look into that one too lol.

[OverKill]

I'd love to see a resculpt of the Centurion... Whoever did that one no worries it is an amazingly detailed mech and out of all the mechs I have painted I did the best with it's panel lines!

Call me selfish, I just want something that I can repose in different ways to make it a little more unique on the battlefield.

Same with the Hermes II, another pretty cool looking mech that needs to be cut up so that it can be reposed.

[StCptMara]

The LE Catapult was my first sculpt, and while I was under a tight schedule - it was my lack of experience that lead to it's huge size... :-[

Bah! Its smaller then modern assaults, and larger then modern mediums..so its all good.
People who complain about the size of minis are complaining because they want things back to the
Ral Partha days. All I I wish is a rule that every mech must fit mostly inside ONE standard hex..the
ones that take up 3 are the ones that bother me

[Papabees]

Bah! Its smaller then modern assaults, and larger then modern mediums..so its all good.
People who complain about the size of minis are complaining because they want things back to the
Ral Partha days. All I I wish is a rule that every mech must fit mostly inside ONE standard hex..the
ones that take up 3 are the ones that bother me

I have to take small issue with this comment. I don't care how big they are I just want them scaled consistently with each other.

[HikageMaru]

Well, if that was your first sculpt, then those other sculptors better watch out because it's freakin' awesome.  I can give you a list of other minis I'd like to see resculpted....

Actually, I'd like a sculpt of this, which is a ridiculously awesome custom job: http://www.camospecs.com/Miniature.asp?ID=5470

[StCptMara]

I have to take small issue with this comment. I don't care how big they are I just want them scaled consistently with each other.

Same here, really..the problem is some miniatures, in the current scale, are almost unusable on the standard hex-maps because
of their size. Archangel and Turkina, I'm looking at you....