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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #30 on: 07 March 2013, 14:40:06 »
I have to agree with the Hector mini.  Especially the arms that look rather derpy.  The overall mini IMO is rather... derpy

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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #31 on: 07 March 2013, 14:53:56 »
I have to agree with the Hector mini.  Especially the arms that look rather derpy.  The overall mini IMO is rather... derpy
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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #32 on: 07 March 2013, 16:41:43 »
Hector looks great to me. But if I'm being honest-- I like the proportions of the miniature better than the art... *shrug*

The Cephalus is so dreamy... {>{>

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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #33 on: 07 March 2013, 16:42:47 »
Thanks for the pics! I've been wicked curious to see how the Osteon and Cephalus turned out.
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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #34 on: 07 March 2013, 16:42:57 »
I have to agree with the Hector mini.  Especially the arms that look rather derpy.  The overall mini IMO is rather... derpy

Derpy, I am not familiar with this word. Could you give me a synonym?
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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #35 on: 07 March 2013, 18:34:58 »
Derpy, I am not familiar with this word. Could you give me a synonym?

it usually means stupid

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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #36 on: 07 March 2013, 18:55:57 »
Hector looks great to me. But if I'm being honest-- I like the proportions of the miniature better than the art... *shrug*

The Cephalus is so dreamy... {>{>
I think the Hector looks just fine.  I've got enough factions to build minis for so I'm not really looking to buy any WoR mechs, but they do look pretty good.
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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #37 on: 07 March 2013, 18:56:31 »
Hector looks great to me. But if I'm being honest-- I like the proportions of the miniature better than the art... *shrug*

The Cephalus is so dreamy... {>{>

I'm in total agreement here. Actually all of these sculpts look good IMHO.
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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #38 on: 07 March 2013, 19:30:03 »
Except for the running pose (What is it with the running pose?) its looks pretty close on to me.
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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #39 on: 07 March 2013, 22:21:41 »
Hector looks good and it will look better next to my Talos in RWR colors

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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #40 on: 07 March 2013, 23:21:07 »
He said he would get around to it, lets just be happy we got something.

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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #41 on: 07 March 2013, 23:39:34 »
He said he would get around to it, lets just be happy we got something.

Did you really think we would never get a Hector mini ever, unless we kept asking for it? ???
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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #42 on: 08 March 2013, 04:53:29 »
Good to hear there is a waist.  Can the mech be posed with a twist to the left or right?
Depending on how it was cast, yes, it should be possible. But as I don't know the final parts breakdown so I can't say for sure if the waist/pelvis is separate, part of the body or part of a leg/the legs.

Smaller than an Osteon doesn't help me much, unfortunately.  Hector next to Unseen Marauder would be the best pic to answer the questions I have.
I don't have the exact measurements of an Unseen Marauder, but I am tempted to say that the Unseen Marauder is small compared to newer miniatures for Mechs of a similar weight/build. Comparison pics with newer miniature would probably be better as a comparison with an old Marauder would be flawed from the start.
Why do you cling to the old (unseen) sculpts so much? I completely agree with you that those sculpts were very good, very good even with some of them easily making my top ten favorite sculpts list, close to the art and (relatively) consistent in size to each other. I even like the Unseen Thunderbolt despite the huge right arm (gun). But, yes, there has been a scale-creep, which in my opinion is a reaction to how Mechs are pictured nowadays. Size-wise the difference between a Light and a Heavy in the fluff/art is much bigger than it was during the "Unseen days". At least that is my impression. So, yes, BattleTech Minis have become quite a bit bigger, but with the newer miniatures you should look at size being consistent with other newer miniatures. Certainly not perfect with quite a few missteps, but I feel that IWM is definitely getting better. Much better in fact and sculpts are becoming more and more consistent to each other in terms of size. I am sure if the Unseen (or old 3025 Mechs for that matter) where to be resculpted now, all of them would end up at a new size. P-Hawk smaller, most of the Heavies bigger, ...

Most of the mechs exist "in a single piece of art" when they are being sculpted.  And everything you said after "At least to me" is understood by almost all. And as for your comment regarding interpretation, there is no maybe about.  Interpretation/perceptions will always involve differences, which is why I stated "At least to me" to begin with.
My impression is that this is not understood by almost all, but by only a few. Thanks for your reassurance that you are one of the few :)

Good to hear that the Hector "looks pretty cool" to you, just not true to the art in your opinion. But those were definitely not the vibes radiating from your first post.

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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #43 on: 08 March 2013, 08:46:20 »
Hm, i think the Hector arms have the same problem as the unseen Behemoth.
Particularly with the long weapons.


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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #44 on: 08 March 2013, 10:14:54 »
Why do you cling to the old (unseen) sculpts so much? I completely agree with you that those sculpts were very good, very good even with some of them easily making my top ten favorite sculpts list, close to the art and (relatively) consistent in size to each other. I even like the Unseen Thunderbolt despite the huge right arm (gun). But, yes, there has been a scale-creep, which in my opinion is a reaction to how Mechs are pictured nowadays. Size-wise the difference between a Light and a Heavy in the fluff/art is much bigger than it was during the "Unseen days". At least that is my impression. So, yes, BattleTech Minis have become quite a bit bigger, but with the newer miniatures you should look at size being consistent with other newer miniatures. Certainly not perfect with quite a few missteps, but I feel that IWM is definitely getting better. Much better in fact and sculpts are becoming more and more consistent to each other in terms of size. I am sure if the Unseen (or old 3025 Mechs for that matter) where to be re-sculpted now, all of them would end up at a new size. P-Hawk smaller, most of the Heavies bigger, ...

Once again you assume too much.  IF I was "clinging to the old (unseen) sculpts, is that a bad thing?  Why do you care what my preferences are?  Do you know what minis make up my extensive collection of mechs?  I have my reasons for asking it to be compared to an Unseen Marauder; none of which have anything to with the lecture you felt was necessary yet again.  I get it, you and others like most of whats put out by IWM.  Myself and others do not like some of what IWM releases.

I have a question, and I think I know the answer though I cannot recall any examples.  Have you or anyone at CSO or the staff of CBT/CGL EVER posted a negative critique of a mini released by IWM such as myself or others have?  Maybe, as an employee, you are not allowed to?

What are your thoughts on the re-scuplted Orion vs the original Ral Partha sculpt?

Good to hear that the Hector "looks pretty cool" to you, just not true to the art in your opinion.


It almost sounds like there is an "or else" missing in that sentence.  ;D  The Hector design/artwork is looks cool to me, the mini not so much.  Hoping for more pics other angles before I make a purchase decision.  Anyone know what it's going to cost?

I was very much looking forward to the Hector, and I want to like it...put one down on the map and defend the FWLM from its enemies along with my group (who are also somewhat disappointed btw).  We even had a campaign designed around them...Marik Militia saddled with remnants to protect/secure the massive SLDF supply caches on the FWL border worlds; the modern mechs having been sent off with SDLF Canopian offensive.  If you know your history, then you know what happens.  (Reunification War is an EXCELLENT Sourcebook)

But those were definitely not the vibes radiating from your first post.
No, you got the correct vibes.  I think there are more issues with the Hector mini that I didn't bother stating in my original posts.  (The arms, as others have mentioned, look off as well)

You're happy with it, me not so much.  I hope you do get a couple as I would love to see you paint one up in Marik Militia colors or Regulan Hussars.  Your take on the An Ting scheme with the Lancelot is jaw-droppingly stellar.
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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #45 on: 08 March 2013, 11:52:24 »
Once again you assume too much.  IF I was "clinging to the old (unseen) sculpts, is that a bad thing?  Why do you care what my preferences are?  Do you know what minis make up my extensive collection of mechs?  I have my reasons for asking it to be compared to an Unseen Marauder; none of which have anything to with the lecture you felt was necessary yet again.  I get it, you and others like most of whats put out by IWM.  Myself and others do not like some of what IWM releases.
No, not feeling like a lecture was in order. I am not assuming, I am just working with what you post (not just in this thread) and the impression you generate with what you say and how you say it. Also trying to find out why you want a comparison which is flawed from the start. At least when you want to gauge the size of the miniature compared to the size of other newer miniatures. Ok, here I am actually guilty of assuming that was your intent when asking for comparison pictures... But if you have different reason, well, that's your thing, but don't be surprised if someone misunderstands your intent or *gasp* dares ask why.
And, no, I don't like most of what IWM is putting out, but I like more and more of it. I think the release have gotten noticeably better as of late.

I have a question, and I think I know the answer though I cannot recall any examples.  Have you or anyone at CSO or the staff of CBT/CGL EVER posted a negative critique of a mini released by IWM such as myself or others have?  Maybe, as an employee, you are not allowed to?

What are your thoughts on the re-scuplted Orion vs the original Ral Partha sculpt?
CSO are not employees, but volunteers. There are many examples on the first few pages of this board which should answer your question.
As to the Orion - ok, I'll bite - I prefer the old sculpt. While I do like the revamped/modernized torso of the new sculpt I think the legs are too short.
 
It almost sounds like there is an "or else" missing in that sentence.  ;D  The Hector design/artwork is looks cool to me, the mini not so much.  Hoping for more pics other angles before I make a purchase decision.  Anyone know what it's going to cost?

I was very much looking forward to the Hector, and I want to like it...put one down on the map and defend the FWLM from its enemies along with my group (who are also somewhat disappointed btw).  We even had a campaign designed around them...Marik Militia saddled with remnants to protect/secure the massive SLDF supply caches on the FWL border worlds; the modern mechs having been sent off with SDLF Canopian offensive.  If you know your history, then you know what happens.  (Reunification War is an EXCELLENT Sourcebook)
No, you got the correct vibes.  I think there are more issues with the Hector mini that I didn't bother stating in my original posts.  (The arms, as others have mentioned, look off as well)

You're happy with it, me not so much.  I hope you do get a couple as I would love to see you paint one up in Marik Militia colors or Regulan Hussars.  Your take on the An Ting scheme with the Lancelot is jaw-droppingly stellar.
Thanks for the kind words. If I get the chance to work on a Hector I will consider painting it in Marik Militia colors, a scheme I really like.

That being said I will bow out of this discussion now as it seems rather pointless. I do hope that you enjoy your campaign and that the Hector serves you well :) (don't know what the price will be though, sorry).

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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #46 on: 08 March 2013, 12:48:58 »
I'm not surprised nor bothered by questions. 

I didn't think it was pointless.  Concluded is my preference.

I really appreciate the exchange, GNK.  Seriously.  Thank you.

You made your statements/questions as did I.  Some things are agreed upon, many things were clariffied, some differences remain.  None of that "agree to disagree" crap.  We know where each other stands regarding the Hector.  PERFECT.

Thrilled to hear you also like the Marik Militia scheme.  Finding the right shade of purple is the challenge IMO.  I believe darker/deeper is better...otherwise it looks lavender or pink.  Bleeeahhch.  Fingers crossed you find the time to do a Hector.

Also, feel free to do a lance, company or even a regiment for your An Ting scheme.   ;)  Panther, Akuma, No Dachi, BattleMaster, Black Knight (mini is sort of "meh") Victor, Charger, unseen Archer (modded to an ARC-2K of course), unseen Marauder, unseen Ostroc (think of the panel lines!) unseen Warhammer...Thorn might look good to along with a few others.  No rush, whenever you have time... 

How long did the Lancelot take?

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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #47 on: 08 March 2013, 13:45:46 »
Thanks for posting these.

I think the Hector is close enough.

But what's wrong with the Osteon?  It looks terrible.

I've not liked some sculpts before, I've felt some were off and some were kinda goofy.  But the Osteon just looks bad.  Maybe it's just the pictures or angle but I need to see more before I buy any.  My plan was to buy several.


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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #48 on: 08 March 2013, 14:55:29 »
Thanks for posting these.

I think the Hector is close enough.

But what's wrong with the Osteon?  It looks terrible.

I've not liked some sculpts before, I've felt some were off and some were kinda goofy.  But the Osteon just looks bad.  Maybe it's just the pictures or angle but I need to see more before I buy any.  My plan was to buy several.

It looks like it's a bit too tall. The Osteon drawing gives the impression it's rather wide and with flat angles (armor adapted from battleships is probably not that malleable, after all). Definitely need more angles.
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« Reply #49 on: 08 March 2013, 15:15:09 »
Man...can't believe I missed this from the get go.   :-[

Thank you speck for posting these pics.

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« Reply #50 on: 08 March 2013, 15:40:17 »
It looks like it's a bit too tall. The Osteon drawing gives the impression it's rather wide and with flat angles (armor adapted from battleships is probably not that malleable, after all). Definitely need more angles.


The flaws in the Osteon are similar to the flaws I see in the Septicemia.  Actually the mini looks like an enlarged Septicemia.  The art for the Osteon does look a bit like the Septi's big brother but the spindly legs and square torso on the mini are not close to the art.  I'll wait until we have more angles but from those pics I'm not really happy.


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« Reply #51 on: 08 March 2013, 17:20:42 »
Dumb question, but was there a sheet for the Osteon Jaguar? I must have completely missed it, wondering what it's carrying for when I inevitably order one.
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« Reply #52 on: 08 March 2013, 17:27:40 »
Dumb question, but was there a sheet for the Osteon Jaguar? I must have completely missed it, wondering what it's carrying for when I inevitably order one.

It's in the Wars of Reaving Supplemental product.

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« Reply #53 on: 08 March 2013, 18:05:38 »
But what's wrong with the Osteon?  It looks terrible.



It is rather disappointing... :-X  :'(

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« Reply #54 on: 08 March 2013, 18:34:18 »
It's in the Wars of Reaving Supplemental product.

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Excellent, thanks- I didn't have my PDFs handy, but couldn't think of ever having seen it at all. Interesting, but not quite as "Wow" as other versions like the Prime.
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« Reply #55 on: 08 March 2013, 18:50:23 »
Excellent, thanks- I didn't have my PDFs handy, but couldn't think of ever having seen it at all. Interesting, but not quite as "Wow" as other versions like the Prime.

It's a terrible variant, frankly. I've used it three times and lost twice. The other configs are closer to 75% - 100% win rates for me. The UAC/20 is just over-BV'ed under the current system and the entire design suffers from its presence. An iATM-12 would have been much more threatening and heat-efficient.
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« Reply #56 on: 08 March 2013, 19:02:20 »
It's a terrible variant, frankly. I've used it three times and lost twice. The other configs are closer to 75% - 100% win rates for me. The UAC/20 is just over-BV'ed under the current system and the entire design suffers from its presence. An iATM-12 would have been much more threatening and heat-efficient.

Huh...no hate for the retractable blade 'eh?... #P

I agree though...even an LB-20X would have been an improvement. An iATM-12 would have been sick-good.

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« Reply #57 on: 08 March 2013, 19:08:45 »
Huh...no hate for the retractable blade 'eh?... #P

I agree though...even an LB-20X would have been an improvement. An iATM-12 would have been sick-good.

The Retractable Blade provides flavor and (if using TacOps) a very nice crit chance when fast-movers try and edge into your Nova network. And for "flavor," it's totally negligible BV.

Yeah, an LB-20X would have been interesting for sure. Or even make it something totally dezgra and shameful by Jaguar standards. An artillery cannon would have been a nice "screw you" to the zellbrigen crowd for an ex-Jaguar. I dunno.. anything but a UAC/20...
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« Reply #58 on: 09 March 2013, 09:28:48 »
The Retractable Blade provides flavor and (if using TacOps) a very nice crit chance when fast-movers try and edge into your Nova network. And for "flavor," it's totally negligible BV.

Yeah, an LB-20X would have been interesting for sure. Or even make it something totally dezgra and shameful by Jaguar standards. An artillery cannon would have been a nice "screw you" to the zellbrigen crowd for an ex-Jaguar. I dunno.. anything but a UAC/20...

The Jaguar was a jaguar after all... they did love big honking cannons that could savage opponents quickly.


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Re: February Release and New Online Exclusive Pictures
« Reply #59 on: 09 March 2013, 12:31:44 »
 I'm afraid I have to echo the sentiment of disappointment with the Osteon.  Comparing the art with the mini it looks to me like all the details are  there,  but their shapes and proportions are all slightly off,  which makes the mini look way oft overall.  I am anxious to see some other angles to see if that's borne out,  but I can see at least two points on the Osteon sculpts  that are definitely and verifiably  wrong based on art and record  sheets-  the torso missile racks  on the  Prime  are inverted and the Jaguar should have a hand  on the left arm.  I was planning to buy several for conversion purposes,  but if I get any now I'll be doing  some resculpting  first.