Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV

[Colt Ward]

Yeah, honestly the solution is doing a Republic-style refit and putting the C3i in a vault somewhere until a later time or sent off for R&D.

Heck a Marian C3i refit is likely to be split between ECM & 2 RL10s or 3 RL10s and a RL15- depends on the crits.

[Adacas]

All of their neighbors. You know, the folks who've had to deal with aggressive Marians for decades, and wouldn't shed a single tear if some leaked battleROMs led to something...Regulan...happening to them.

You mean the Regulans starving by the Sea Fox? I think their neighbors are more concerned about them

[Colt Ward]

Lester ignored Marik-Stewart and independent worlds getting gobbled up to go hunt Blakists on one of his own worlds.  His vengefulness towards Jessica is related to raising that ghost along with the casualties.

[Sharpnel]

Yeah, honestly the solution is doing a Republic-style refit and putting the C3i in a vault somewhere until a later time or sent off for R&D.

Heck a Marian C3i refit is likely to be split between ECM & 2 RL10s or 3 RL10s and a RL15- depends on the crits.

If they R&D the C3i and make it fit their base 5 unit structure then their shouldn't be too many issues.

[Col.Hengist]

Are the WoB in the current era still the Boogeyman so much that other nations would nuke the MH for using it?

 Isn't comstar still using C3i?

[Weirdo]

Comstar is DEAD. They were disarmed at the end of the Jihad. Their short-lived military resurgence was smacked down hard and led to the complete dismantling of even the civilian branches within the Republic. This resurgence was also completely unknown outside the Fortress. Outside the Fortress, the withered husk of corporate Comstar is rapidly going bankrupt despite selling off everything that wasn't nailed down.

The only notable use of C3i after the Jihad was when the Bears put it on a few prototypes whose only real action was to slaughter a bunch of Nova Cat civilians in the Second Bear-DC war. This led to Republic peacekeepers, and intense negotiations that culminated in Clan Ghost Bear voluntarily(and VERY permanently) eliminating all of their capacity to build or field C3i.

As much as the Manei Domini cyborgs, it seems that C3i is viewed as the single most 'Blakist' bit of technology out there. You have a realm with no friends, right next door to the Master's former backyard, deploy that stuff without the weight of a Bear-sized military to keep people back? You will be on everyone's shit list immediately, and there will be no shortage of major powers willing to be proactive about their displeasure.

[Colt Ward]

Yeah, it would work great for them since it can accommodate up to 6 units in a network though it lacks the company size network regular C3 gets.

Except for that whole getting bombed/nuked by a really pissy neighbor . . . who also happened to have taken out YOUR neighbor 70 years ago.

[Col.Hengist]

The MH seems to be taking worlds in the FWL and they're not being stopped.

 With the HPG's down who's really going to know other than the people they're attacking? I seriously doubt anyone but the people they're attacking care. The Lyrans have their own trouble, the FWL has their troubles too with the Wolf clan taking a huge chunk of their realm.

 By the time anyone can figure out that we're using c3i will it really matter?

[Weirdo]

It will matter, because unless the universe is far more merciful than it's ever been in the Battletech timeline, the time people figure it out will also be the time they can afford to spare troops for a response. And that response won't be the business as usual reprisal raids.

[Col.Hengist]

Possibly. It's no fun if there's no fighting.

[Weirdo]

Well, never let it be said that you're not willing to grab the tiger by the tonsils...barehanded.

[Colt Ward]

Actually with the Regulans being re-absorbed into the neoLeague . . . and they have a agreement with the Wolves.  The Marians is the border that whoever is the new Captain-General can do something aside from occupying the independent worlds between the neoFWL and Andurien/MoC/Cappies.

[Arkansas Warrior]

When were the Regulans reabsorbed?

[Colt Ward]

All we know is that TRO3150 talks about Jessica being killed and a short sharp war to re-absorb the Regulan Fiefs . . . not even sure if it means Lester is dead or not.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

I'm still for C3i over C3 because it fits better with the Marian unit structure. Besides, Regulus is busy looking over it's shoulder against the neoFWL and they have a history of overlooking Blakist connections if it suits them. Look at the 10th-14th Hussars' histories. They would be eager for an alliance with the Marians if it staves off the neoFWL.

[Colt Ward]

Well, by 3150 they are rejoined . . . besides those were puppets.  They nuked several worlds to get at the Blakists and like I said . . . Lester chased a trail that HURT the Fiefs badly in the strategic sense to go after what he thought was a Blakist cell.

Not saying you cannot do it but there are some repercussions.  Heck, I want my mercs to be able to use Asura BA and a Celestial or two . . . but I also understand there will be problems.

[Martius]

I think they retconned the -5R into dropping the C3i.

A real shame, as C3i would tie into Roman military culture perfectly.

Yeah, it has a c3s and ECM now.

While C3i would be great for Marian formations it is not a big loss. I would be happy if we would just get a few C3M carriers as we have plenty of c3s carrying units already.

[Adacas]

Let's say the Neofwl is not exactly easy, does not have secure borders

[Colt Ward]

While that might be the case, the weakest neighbor that has been causing problems IS the Marian Hegemony.  By 3150 Regulus has been re-integrated, thus no longer a hostile border and does consolidate internal lines of communication.

Andurien has been picking off independent worlds between it and what was the Fiefs.  Its backed up by the Cappies and MoC, and even if the Cappies are involved with the Republic the MoC has nothing going on.

The Crusader Wolves and their Empire?  They are also playing with the Republic and the Falcons, so far Jessica and likely her successors, have shown no inclination to poke the sleeping dog of that border.

Which leaves the Marians as the only ones who have been attacking the neoLeague recently . . . and coincidentally the weakest.

[Adacas]

While that might be the case, the weakest neighbor that has been causing problems IS the Marian Hegemony.  By 3150 Regulus has been re-integrated, thus no longer a hostile border and does consolidate internal lines of communication.

Andurien has been picking off independent worlds between it and what was the Fiefs.  Its backed up by the Cappies and MoC, and even if the Cappies are involved with the Republic the MoC has nothing going on.

The Crusader Wolves and their Empire?  They are also playing with the Republic and the Falcons, so far Jessica and likely her successors, have shown no inclination to poke the sleeping dog of that border.

Which leaves the Marians as the only ones who have been attacking the neoLeague recently . . . and coincidentally the weakest.

It may be, though reintegrating Regulans not think it's that simple, in the fluff TRO 3150 mentioned that some units were devastated and there has been quite defections even a defected aerospace component with a cache of nuclear weapons, I do not say that compared to Andurien we are weaker, but without making offensive actions against the Wolf Empire, will do this if against the worlds of Neofwl that are between its territory and Terra, as they are called the Agustines?

[Colt Ward]

The Wolves are right up against the Fortress Wall already . . . they did that when they struck at Tharkad.  They MAY finish off the Remnant and Galatean League, or just bypass them in the race to Terra.

I know re-integrating the Regulan military will not be easy and I also recall those defections.  But yes, compared to the Anduriens who have an alliance with the Cappies and totally uncommitted MOC (by marriage!) military forming a Trinity Alliance 2.0 makes the Anduriens stronger than the Marians.

Who have no allies at their back.

The Marians should have committed to take Kendall when Hammerfall kicked off and the League proto-states started shuffling & squabbling.  It was the best time to ramp up, when they were all paying more attention core-ward.  Best time to invade Kendall would have been when the neoLeague was taking Atreus since Rim Commonality forces would not have been able to truely respond.

But that window has passed, and with Regulus out of the way . . . taking Kendall and a punative strike against the Marians is the most likely path forward- the next 'outside' enemy to exploit.

[Adacas]

The Wolves are right up against the Fortress Wall already . . . they did that when they struck at Tharkad.  They MAY finish off the Remnant and Galatean League, or just bypass them in the race to Terra.

I know re-integrating the Regulan military will not be easy and I also recall those defections.  But yes, compared to the Anduriens who have an alliance with the Cappies and totally uncommitted MOC (by marriage!) military forming a Trinity Alliance 2.0 makes the Anduriens stronger than the Marians.

Who have no allies at their back.

The Marians should have committed to take Kendall when Hammerfall kicked off and the League proto-states started shuffling & squabbling.  It was the best time to ramp up, when they were all paying more attention core-ward.  Best time to invade Kendall would have been when the neoLeague was taking Atreus since Rim Commonality forces would not have been able to truely respond.

But that window has passed, and with Regulus out of the way . . . taking Kendall and a punative strike against the Marians is the most likely path forward- the next 'outside' enemy to exploit.

Is that the best time window to occupy Kendall was when they were still all clutching hairs, also I do not think we hold Kendall and most likely we then retire a couple of years and will be another incursion more, perhaps preserve some world outermost (Tormentine - Aztenburg or other), another serious possibility that the Marian Hegemony end to annex San Nicolas and Lahti (which are independent).

I think if you remember my previous post, my idea of expansion is advancing slowly but surely absorbing worlds Ruins Circinus and other peripheral worlds

Do not rule out a raid or attack on the Marian Hegemony in the field of Illyria and if we're lucky make the Marians can tell stories Tauro kind Wars reunifications and this will make the MHAF become even harder

[ArkRoyalRavager]

While that might be the case, the weakest neighbor that has been causing problems IS the Marian Hegemony.  By 3150 Regulus has been re-integrated, thus no longer a hostile border and does consolidate internal lines of communication.

Andurien has been picking off independent worlds between it and what was the Fiefs.  Its backed up by the Cappies and MoC, and even if the Cappies are involved with the Republic the MoC has nothing going on.

The Crusader Wolves and their Empire?  They are also playing with the Republic and the Falcons, so far Jessica and likely her successors, have shown no inclination to poke the sleeping dog of that border.

Which leaves the Marians as the only ones who have been attacking the neoLeague recently . . . and coincidentally the weakest.

This is one of the reasons I'm glad TRO 3150 might be retconned out. They really wrote themselves into a corner.

There are no details about the Regulans being reconquered, but I am very curious as to how the neoFWL managed to pull that off with the Marians, Lyrans and Wolves around. The RSMC had a sizeable military as well as a willingness to start throwing nukes if someone tried a full-scale invasion. And the neoFWL navy isn't the FWLN, so they're not going to have anti-missile blankets to protect against nuclear volleys on the invasion transports they're protecting.

[Adacas]

This is one of the reasons I'm glad TRO 3150 might be retconned out. They really wrote themselves into a corner.

There are no details about the Regulans being reconquered, but I am very curious as to how the neoFWL managed to pull that off with the Marians, Lyrans and Wolves around. The RSMC had a sizeable military as well as a willingness to start throwing nukes if someone tried a full-scale invasion. And the neoFWL navy isn't the FWLN, so they're not going to have anti-missile blankets to protect against nuclear volleys on the invasion transports they're protecting.

In theory he was using the old technique of the naval blockade, which I find strange is how it worked, if blocked the capital world tell me that the world had no supplies to endure a year or two? it is medium rare, aside one of the last actions that are in the fluff is that nukearon a ship to the Sea Fox and then theoretically surrendered, and a series of defections from the armed forces of Regulus occurs, also many of the Regulus units not think they are very reliable and useful in combat hunger blockades populations and troops do not leave you good memories and love towards making site.
For more than then do public relations campaign throwing food or repairing damaged buildings paraphrasing a well-known series, Regulus Remember

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Regulus had 60 years to build up its naval strength like everyone else. That's plenty of time for Merlin R1s and other Assault DropShips by the squadrons. No way the neoFWL can navally blockade Regulus without stripping its own naval defenses to the bone elsewhere. Then there's still the Regulan nukes, which are deployed on the ground and in space, tube-launched or delivered by missiles.

[Adacas]

Regulus had 60 years to build up its naval strength like everyone else. That's plenty of time for Merlin R1s and other Assault DropShips by the squadrons. No way the neoFWL can navally blockade Regulus without stripping its own naval defenses to the bone elsewhere. Then there's still the Regulan nukes, which are deployed on the ground and in space, tube-launched or delivered by missiles.

I tell you what I read, I agree that it means strange that a naval blockade so as well have surrendered, also the situation has not been cheap, personally and in a situation of real world the Regulans units if they were starved and blocked for a long time would not qualify as reliable units for any military operation rather than to garrison and even right there but with the defections that occurred at the end after learning of the surrender, as I said there were one or two units that disappeared with their nukes, no it is something that commanded the quiet NeoFWL have guess, but after the Nuked a ship of the Sea Fox and murder of Jessica

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Which makes you wonder after reading it, where did the Regulan PWS/Assault Dropship squadrons magically disappear to? They fielded entire naval battlegroups during the Jihad, and now 60 years on, they would have many times those ships, even without the WarShips.

[Weirdo]

This is one of the reasons I'm glad TRO 3150 might be retconned out.

[Colt Ward]

Merlin R1?  Weird, because I want to say it was in the fiction where it talked about how hard it was for the Regulans to get their hands on them because they did not build it but needed to dismantle and rebuild ones they owned.

Going back . . . Wolves are not messing with the League, that border is stable as their attention is elsewhere and the only way they come in conflict is limited Trials with the Protectorate.  Lyrans barely share a border and they are trying to survive.

Finally . . . when has naval strength ever really been built up to proper levels?  The fiction of the time seems to make it seem all the FWL proto-states have trouble getting military equipment.  They also had the problem of the Sea Fox navy being involved.

[Giovanni Blasini]

Thanks for beating me to that.