Author Topic: Indexed: The Ngo Saga (central directory of reposted ‘Cannonshop’ stories)  (Read 13928 times)

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The idea that the common folk just endeavor to go about their lives gets pretty thin in spots (especially when taking into account the radical changes that come with going from, say, Capellan to Davion or davion to Capellan). But it's also probably the explanation that's going to fit the canon best.
Yeah, but I just can't shake the mental image of some poor government clerk who's been told to find 4-million new text books immediately because his nation's just taken some random planet and they need to get the school kids there learning the correct history of the Inner Sphere, stat!

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside  >:D
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I'm sure textbook companies have warehouses full of textbooks covering every possible permutation of allegiance on every boarder world. The real reason for the Inner Sphere's dysfunctional economy revealed!
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I'm sure textbook companies have warehouses full of textbooks covering every possible permutation of allegiance on every boarder world. The real reason for the Inner Sphere's dysfunctional economy revealed!
I have this mental image of a giant warehouse, with a line running down the middle. On one side, marked 'House Davion', is completely empty, while the other, marked “House Liao', is stacked floor-to-ceiling with boxes of books, ready to be switched over come the next invasion.
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I've recently started to get the itch to mess around in the Ngoverse setting (Blame Liam's_Ghost and Gio for it...) but there's a tonne of rust on those old mechanisms.

not saying there's one coming, but, well, there might be.

And that rust is why I'm writing Trek stuff these days. Had the same issue with the Battletech stuff.
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in regards to miltiia and the unbeleivability of the Kowloon militia..

an illustration of why even using Peice of Junk gear makes a realistic militia size difficult to fit into the setting..

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=48860.0

yes that is a combined arms mechanized Battalion fit into the same points value as a medium-heavy mech company.
i'll admit it's not very 'Loonie.. it has no artillery for example.. but even using Scorpion tanks and infantry the resulting swarm of units hits way harder than it looks.

of course, if i had a decent ultra light artillery carrier i'd find a way to fit artillery into this unit. :)

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yes that is a combined arms mechanized Battalion fit into the same points value as a medium-heavy mech company.
i'll admit it's not very 'Loonie.. it has no artillery for example.. but even using Scorpion tanks and infantry the resulting swarm of units hits way harder than it looks.

of course, if i had a decent ultra light artillery carrier i'd find a way to fit artillery into this unit. :)
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I'm sore you can get something to fit on a Saladin, like THESE
or a Hetzer
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Commander Jessica Dunleavy, VTR-9BP Victor, Dunleavy's Pistoleros

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actually i'd prefer canon ones sure it's a bit of munchkinism to fit so much into one force, but at least it can be canon munchkinism.. :)

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I'm sore you can get something to fit on a Saladin, like THESE

yep my favorite way is to keep using the LRM carrier chassis,
you can do 2 thumpers/arrows or even a long tom
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in regards to miltiia and the unbeleivability of the Kowloon militia..

an illustration of why even using Peice of Junk gear makes a realistic militia size difficult to fit into the setting..

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=48860.0

yes that is a combined arms mechanized Battalion fit into the same points value as a medium-heavy mech company.
i'll admit it's not very 'Loonie.. it has no artillery for example.. but even using Scorpion tanks and infantry the resulting swarm of units hits way harder than it looks.

of course, if i had a decent ultra light artillery carrier i'd find a way to fit artillery into this unit. :)

and it gets worse if you do it by Cbills.  Yes I have done it, junk tech militia vrs 3050+ tech force.  I think the armored vehicle was a Scorpion knockoff with multi mods (everything from tank to missile carrier to AFV to support models)

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yep my favorite way is to keep using the LRM carrier chassis,
you can do 2 thumpers/arrows or even a long tom
I chose two chassis that had a bit more mobility.
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yeah
cant find it now but I had several lighter models
wanted specifically for them to fit into light vehicle
bays because I was fascinated by the Seeker as a
platform for a small sneak and peek unit
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Reposted: Standing Against the Tide (Ngo v2, 3067)

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=49455.0


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And we'll add Voluntary Relocation to the queue, another v2, I think.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=49462.0

Next couple up are long ones, 140+ pages each in Word. That's going to take me a while to post, I'll probably do Elevation tomorrow, and Temples of Lady Liberty next.

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*bump*

Well with the 4.0 stories coming out, I guess they need indexing, and I'm wondering which 3.0 stories are still canon and relevant to 4.0?

EDIT: I wonder what retcons are gonna happen with the Man Come Around due to well in intervening years with the publication of Liberation of Terra Volume I?

I guess the 171st was part of the 4th Army Group, 4th Army, part of the 5th Volunteer Brigade.

Why do I have a feeling Victor intentionally left out what happened on Elbar, when writing LoT: Volume 1 [Ngoverse edition]?
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*bump*

Well with the 4.0 stories coming out, I guess they need indexing, and I'm wondering which 3.0 stories are still canon and relevant to 4.0?
  The events of the Star League-era stories of that timeline, Kowloon Rising, A Pound of Flesh, and When the Man Comes Around, are constantly referenced in the 4.0 stories.  Other than that, I would assume that the 4.0 stories overwrite the 3.0 as the ‘canon’ version of events as Cannonshop moves through the relevant timeframes.  (Remember, Unsuitable was written eight years ago, and his approach to these characters and stories has changed a lot over all that time.)

EDIT: I wonder what retcons are gonna happen with the Man Come Around due to well in intervening years with the publication of Liberation of Terra Volume I?

I guess the 171st was part of the 4th Army Group, 4th Army, part of the 5th Volunteer Brigade.

Why do I have a feeling Victor intentionally left out what happened on Elbar, when writing LoT: Volume 1 [Ngoverse edition]?
  I doubt Cannonshop will actively make retcons to those stories — he generally prefers to keep moving forward, rather than looking back to ‘fix’ things.  Out-of-universe, the atrocities of Elbar are a mark distinguishing between canon and Ngo-verse.  In canon, Elbar was always a Davion world, never actually part of the Hegemony or occupied by the RWR material; in the Ngo-verse, it was the site of some of the most hideous atrocities of the Civil War — on both sides.
  In canon, Victor and his study of the Amaris Civil War never mentioned Elbar because it was never contested and there was nothing to mention.  In the Ngo-verse, there’s no guarantee that Victor will survive to ever write that study, much less try to gloss over the Elbar campaign.  Remember, Cannonshop is not afraid to kill viewpoint characters, even major canonical ones.

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Out-of-universe, the atrocities of Elbar are a mark distinguishing between canon and Ngo-verse.  In canon, Elbar was always a Davion world, never actually part of the Hegemony or occupied by the RWR material; in the Ngo-verse, it was the site of some of the most hideous atrocities of the Civil War — on both sides.
  In canon, Victor and his study of the Amaris Civil War never mentioned Elbar because it was never contested and there was nothing to mention.  In the Ngo-verse, there’s no guarantee that Victor will survive to ever write that study, much less try to gloss over the Elbar campaign.  Remember, Cannonshop is not afraid to kill viewpoint characters, even major canonical ones.

Page 135 of Volume 1 mentions Elbar and three other joint worlds being liberated by the Fourth Army, it was a very minor campaign, that last a few weeks. Then again Kerensky did destroy a lot of records including the 171st IIRC, then again whoever is authoring this in-universe if they did find secondary sources about the Elbar atrocities and well 'Elbar Toothpicks', would probably told not to publish them, in effort to discredit the history of Kowloon, or not to given Devlin more bad news about them. The only minor retcon in universe really would it being in 2772 instead of '78.

Still thanks for figuring what few stories are still relevant, overall.
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  In canon, Elbar was always a Davion world, never actually part of the Hegemony or occupied by the RWR material

Not true. Elbar was jointly controlled by the Hegemony and Federated Suns before the coup, and the Rim Worlds seized it during the coup. It was among the first worlds liberated when the SLDF began their assault on the Hegemony.  (all this from the Liberation of Terra: I sourcebook)
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sounds like there is plenty of room to fudge things and fit it into his setting while preserving the CGL material. just move the dates up a few years, and treat it as "the real story" that gets glossed over in the official records of the war.

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Been away for quite some time, and of late returning to things fondly remembered.  Wondering if any of the pending re-posts (although not so close to canon these days) will finish being brought back...?

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Not true. Elbar was jointly controlled by the Hegemony and Federated Suns before the coup, and the Rim Worlds seized it during the coup. It was among the first worlds liberated when the SLDF began their assault on the Hegemony.  (all this from the Liberation of Terra: I sourcebook)

Hmm. Is there any mention of Elbar involved in the Amaris War -before- this? Because LOT1 was published well after Cannonshop wrote about "Elbar Toothpicks"...

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Been away for quite some time, and of late returning to things fondly remembered.  Wondering if any of the pending re-posts (although not so close to canon these days) will finish being brought back...?

Hmmm, where did I leave off....

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Hmm. Is there any mention of Elbar involved in the Amaris War -before- this? Because LOT1 was published well after Cannonshop wrote about "Elbar Toothpicks"...

Hmmm, where did I leave off....

oddly enough, I can't claim creation on Elbar, it was actually one of the Authors, working with the GM in an online Fancouncil game, because we needed an atrocity site to cite.

after that, things kinda steamrolled.  I'm pretty sure th e actual 'canon' reference was a lot cleaner, nicer, and less brutal and uncivilized t han what came out of MY head.
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